DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[ANDS!]

I wonder what he’ll actually do when Swaggins or whatever paypig finally does it. To go back to Max, he’s gotten massive donations before and it’s pretty much led to him cancelling the stream and trying to give it back because he’s profoundly uncomfortable taking really big sums from his viewers. Would Phil have the presence if mind to realize that it would look really weird to just take the money or is he really too greedy and stupid to not get rid of it?

Max doesn't really need the money (although I say that without knowing how finances); I don't think I've ever been to a stream he does where he's not getting dozens of subs and ridiculous resubs. I'm sure he knows exactly what he has in overhead so giving money back somehow I can absolutely see him doing.

. . .on a tangent, people like Max, Kripp, Disguised Toast and Trump (to name a few) are exactly the successful streamers I think of when Phil whinges about "the muppetry of successful streamers." These guys aren't clowns, their overlays aren't crazy offensive and they aren't preoccupied with tips and subs. They play their games until it's time to quit, have a pretty reliable schedule, actually take time to exist in the real world and seem to enjoy what they do. Trump, the least popular of the group, in terms of stream numbers, still manages to pull 150-200K on his YT videos. . . even when he's playing not-Hearthstone his viewer numbers are usually 1K or above for fringe titles like Cult Simulator or Surviving Mars; these are numbers Phil would kill for. Hell Max just spent the last few weeks replaying Resident Evil and the stream numbers were gigantic.

TLDR: Phil is beyond out of touch on what makes a successful steamer, and even if he could get his"schtick" in order, his personality and ego would kill any quality he'd hope to squeeze out.

 

[Wurstbrot]

TLDR: Phil is beyond out of touch on what makes a successful steamer, and even if he could get his"schtick" in order, his personality and ego would

From my understanding, a successful streamer is like a good bro, his mind is one with his audience, they love their audience, it's like a very chilling party with everyone. They do not wait for a signal to interact with their fans, they just do it dynamically, constantly, they want to talk with the group, they play with you. Twitch is about personalities for a good reason. This is also why PDP's "Bro Fist" approach works so well, it makes him charismatic, he appears like a friend.

Phil is way too distant to his audience to ever achieve that, he just plays a game and people are just being tolerated to watch. And better throw money, you ungrateful fuck.

Kinda like, you have to be nice to be well received, not really a surprising concept. You would think Phil would have learned that after 10 years.

 

[DerelictOnion]

The irony is if Phil ever tries to become one of the good, friendly streamers he'd immediately lose audience, money and eventually go bankrupt in a matter of months.

 

[Wurstbrot]

The irony is if Phil ever tries to become one of the good, friendly streamers he'd immediately lose audience, money and eventually go bankrupt in a matter of months.

Not necessarily. I think he would surely lose some people who watch him for the toxic show, but the rest would stay and still know he needs that money, which he really does, to pay the bills. Then he would also gain new fans who stay for the friendly environment, the sub, they donate, maybe even big dollars from time to time; it's for a nice streamer, right?
Phil doesn't need to get better at games, his failures and blindness would still be part of the hilarious "worst 21th century gamer show". He's

But thinking about a possible nice Phil isn't even worth thinking about, this nearly drifts into philosophy. What if the Sun dies tomorrow? Wouldn't happen, it's not part of reality. Just like a nice positive Phil is an impossible occurrence. It's not part of his personality and will never happen. And I don't count pretending to be nice to pay the bills, like when it's Christmas (the festivities of love and giving big money) , I mean sincere niceness.

 

[HerrKlicks]

Not necessarily. I think he would surely lose some people who watch him for the toxic show, but the rest would stay and still know he needs that money, which he really does, to pay the bills. Then he would also gain new fans who stay for the friendly environment, the sub, they donate, maybe even big dollars from time to time; it's for a nice streamer, right?
Phil doesn't need to get better at games, his failures and blindness would still be part of the hilarious "worst 21th century gamer show". He's

But thinking about a possible nice Phil isn't even worth thinking about, this nearly drifts into philosophy. What if the Sun dies tomorrow? Wouldn't happen, it's not part of reality. Just like a nice positive Phil is an impossible occurrence. It's not part of his personality and will never happen. And I don't count pretending to be nice to pay the bills, like when it's Christmas (the festivities of love and giving big money) , I mean sincere niceness.

I think what they meant was that even if Phil managed to uphold a mascarade it would crack within a couple month and he'd piss / scare away all the audience he'd gain as FakesydeShill...

 

[Colloid]

. . .on a tangent, people like Max, Kripp, Disguised Toast and Trump (to name a few) are exactly the successful streamers I think of when Phil whinges about "the muppetry of successful streamers." These guys aren't clowns, their overlays aren't crazy offensive and they aren't preoccupied with tips and subs. They play their games until it's time to quit, have a pretty reliable schedule, actually take time to exist in the real world and seem to enjoy what they do.
TLDR: Phil is beyond out of touch on what makes a successful steamer, and even if he could get his"schtick" in order, his personality and ego would kill any quality he'd hope to squeeze out.

Phil’s strawman streamer is just a major projection of his own streaming habits.

Like you listed, Phil thinks that successful streamers are annoying because they act like clowns using exaggerated reactions to cater to kids and idiots, have lazy or offensive overlays that don’t really tell you anything except where to buy their merch, are so obsessed with getting tips and subs that they barely engage with their audience, are so disconnected from reality that they can’t comment on anything outside of streaming or gaming, and are only in it for the money.

Gee, who does this list remind you of?

 

[LostMy1stAccount]

Phil is way too distant to his audience to ever achieve that,

This.

In Phil's opinion it is not possible to play and interact with the chat at the same time.
Guess what? Max is able to talk with his chat and still play even though he gets 10k viewers on his stream.

Or someone like Cloud805, who gets around 1-2k people on stream answers questions from chat while simultaneously playing a match in a fighting game. (which according to Phil isn't possible at all.)

 

[DerelictOnion]

Moderating the chat properly and actually banning some of his supporters would be the first straw.

Toning down on the scummy begging will be the next.

Shutting his mouth and barely talking so he doesn't make random toxic outbursts will surely drive away even more people.

The new people who come to watch a mostly silent guy playing a video game horribly will not be enough to sustain his "job"

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

Phil’s strawman streamer is just a major projection of his own streaming habits.

Like you listed, Phil thinks that successful streamers are annoying because they act like clowns using exaggerated reactions to cater to kids and idiots, have lazy or offensive overlays that don’t really tell you anything except where to buy their merch, are so obsessed with getting tips and subs that they barely engage with their audience, are so disconnected from reality that they can’t comment on anything outside of streaming or gaming, and are only in it for the money.

Gee, who does this list remind you of?

It's weird. It's like he's still stuck in the youtube streaming mindset where no shout outs, thank yous and what not. But then goes ahead and does those things he said he didn't like, while still having the mindset in the past. Simply delusional thinking. He really thinks the shit he says does not ever apply to him at all.

 

[OneDaySon]

Another big issue is that he's just not humble. He believes he's getting what he's owed basically. I'm sure you've all seen Youtube videos or been on streams yourself of these streamers who get low views and they're either new or sometimes they're not, sometimes they've been around a while and just get low viewers then some guy comes in and gives them $100 and they freak out over it. But I mean its not only low viewer streamers thats just something I remember seeing before but I know that there's high viewer streamers and really popular streamers who are appreciative of like $2 and stuff and will answer their cheer in depth, fuck they don't even need to cheer for them to answer a question.

And for DSP I remember two specific instances that you guys might remember too, but Swagginz I think it was gave him $300 in one go and had given him like $500 in one week and was like "Swagginz just tipped me 300 dollars! Thats the most I've ever had. Wow, thank you." and went back to streaming. I remember during a vice city stream as I was on Tevin's stream as he was restreaming it and a guy gave him $200 and Phil goes "Wow I just got a 200 dollar tip from [person I forgot who it was] and he asks me to rank the GTAs. To be honest I don't really have favourites, they're all good. I like 5 a lot though. Thank you for the 200 dollars. [snort] So there you go." and he went back to playing.

 

[ANDS!]

Moderating the chat properly and actually banning some of his supporters would be the first straw.

Toning down on the scummy begging will be the next.

Shutting his mouth and barely talking so he doesn't make random toxic outbursts will surely drive away even more people.

The new people who come to watch a mostly silent guy playing a video game horribly will not be enough to sustain his "job"

You're assuming he does only that, i.e. he doesn't for once recognize his failing and try to improve his streaming. Yes, this would take time, muslces don't grow overnight, but if he REALLY wanted to be a quality streamer and have that reflected in his content, his audience and his financials, he could. He is lazy though and has thinner skin and a bigger ego than POTUS.

Phil’s strawman streamer is just a major projection of his own streaming habits.

Like you listed, Phil thinks that successful streamers are annoying because they act like clowns using exaggerated reactions to cater to kids and idiots, have lazy or offensive overlays that don’t really tell you anything except where to buy their merch, are so obsessed with getting tips and subs that they barely engage with their audience, are so disconnected from reality that they can’t comment on anything outside of streaming or gaming, and are only in it for the money.

Gee, who does this list remind you of?

I've honestly never seen any of those four streamers "clown" in the way Phil describes it. Max has Dark Souls videos where he's reacting appropriately to dying, Trump has this "slump" he does when he gets blown out in Hearthstone, and I'm sure other streamers have these quirks but nothing like Phil describes. I think he's seen like a "best of" collection of folks like Jack and Pewd's and just extrapolates that to all streamers and then calls it a day. The guy needs this to be true (along with the "raw, unedited gameplay" malarkey) to keep his sanity.

Another big issue is that he's just not humble. He believes he's getting what he's owed basically. I'm sure you've all seen Youtube videos or been on streams yourself of these streamers who get low views and they're either new or sometimes they're not, sometimes they've been around a while and just get low viewers then some guy comes in and gives them $100 and they freak out over it. But I mean its not only low viewer streamers thats just something I remember seeing before but I know that there's high viewer streamers and really popular streamers who are appreciative of like $2 and stuff and will answer their cheer in depth, fuck they don't even need to cheer for them to answer a question.

And for DSP I remember two specific instances that you guys might remember too, but Swagginz I think it was gave him $300 in one go and had given him like $500 in one week and was like "Swagginz just tipped me 300 dollars! Thats the most I've ever had. Wow, thank you." and went back to streaming. I remember during a vice city stream as I was on Tevin's stream as he was restreaming it and a guy gave him $200 and Phil goes "Wow I just got a 200 dollar tip from [person I forgot who it was] and he asks me to rank the GTAs. To be honest I don't really have favourites, they're all good. I like 5 a lot though. Thank you for the 200 dollars. [snort] So there you go." and he went back to playing.

. . .how easy would it be to sit back and give someone who does that like 2 minutes worth of attention? This is how you know he thinks so little of the actual fans and only views them in terms of the money they provide.

 

[This+]

It's a minor problem compared to his really shitty personality and general boringness but Phil also has a problem of not adapting to the future/current trends and fervent general technical incompetency that stems from laziness.

The most obvious example is his direct capture switch, which happened in 2013 after throwing years of shitfits at how direct capture isn't "true gaming." For half of his 10 year begacy, he unironically believed that pointing a "1080p" camcorder with onboard audio recording at his TV was the same as directly recording 1080p videos. All Phil had to do was open two browser windows and compare a direct capture Let's Play with his own to see the dramatic difference in quality.

Besides that, he puts in the bare minimum effort into updating his setup and thinks there's no more room to improve. I don't know much about acoustics, but the few bits of misaligned soundproofing foam splattered around his house isn't gonna do any good. He also doesn't add more foam to his room or adjust them or anything like that. His facecam is the same one he's used since god knows when. His TV is so far away he can't even see what's going on in the games he plays at times. His TV being so far away results in the sprawling mess of cables that is both a tripping and fire hazard. He could spend the 24 hours of his "well earned break" on Saturdays to make things more comfortable for himself, but apparently that's too much work and he'd rather be watching netflix getting the world's saddest handjobs from Kat than take a few hours to move shit around.

Nowadays, streamers use a green screen behind them so that only their face, body, and mic show up. It makes things cleaner and less distracting for the viewers. Phil doesn't use one. Now you may think that's not that big of a deal and many popular streamers also don't use them, but he has one sitting in his fucking garage and the only thing preventing him from using it is his pure, unadulterated laziness to get it and pinning it up on his wall. There is absolutely no downside to using one and yet he just sits on his stupid loveseat trying to find a way to make his facecam not intrude the games' UI.

You can argue that all these improvements he could make are small and won't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but Phil is really missing an opportunity to present himself as the guy who "gives back" to his fans. He could get more soundproof foam, cover up like 3 walls and be like "hey, thanks to all you guys' support, I was able to make 3 of my walls entirely soundproof! you can really hear the difference in my audio!" If he does that, the audience will be more enticed to support him because they know where their money goes instead of this dark, enigmatic abyss he calls "mah basic bills." Whenever he does upgrade (for example, his shitty astro headsets that cost as much as a Sennheiser/AKG/Audio technica) he doesn't say anything to thank his fans, he just went "well it's my money so shut the fuck up about what i spend it on!"

 

[Nurse Ratchet]

I've considered it crueler to let him keep going in this self destructive cycle/lifestyle. Having him forced to address his problems a year or two later isn't a good thing, it just means he has even less time to adjust to being a commoner like everybody else.
Imagine DSP if youtube never worked out for him as a 'career', he'd have to confront a lot of his issues directly. I don't think he would have came out as a good person in the end, probably still bitter and thinking the world was against him, but he would have deteriorated a LOT less.

This. And if he ever took accountability for anything, fucking ever, youtube *would* have set him up for life & he wouldn't be in this situation over which he will ultimately never declare triumph. Even a sharp-minded & capable person would be permafucked, so he's just in a perpetual state of borrowing oxygen.

 

[Mr.PiggyOinkOinkOink]

From my understanding, a successful streamer is like a good bro, his mind is one with his audience, they love their audience, it's like a very chilling party with everyone. They do not wait for a signal to interact with their fans, they just do it dynamically, constantly, they want to talk with the group, they play with you. Twitch is about personalities for a good reason. This is also why PDP's "Bro Fist" approach works so well, it makes him charismatic, he appears like a friend.

Phil is way too distant to his audience to ever achieve that, he just plays a game and people are just being tolerated to watch. And better throw money, you ungrateful fuck.

Kinda like, you have to be nice to be well received, not really a surprising concept. You would think Phil would have learned that after 10 years.

Streamers can also be successful by doing little interaction with chat and just being good at the game they are playing while being naturally funny or charismatic. Dave is none of these things unless you're a middle schooler.

And of course his worst sin is he very blatantly only interacts with chat when they give him money or he needs help in a game, I've spent more than enough time on twitch on all level of streamers to know that you'll never find someone talk about their money like dave does unless they are exceptional like him, which I've never found. Its honestly mind boggling how anyone can actually sit through his pre streams about money everyday ironically.

 

[NursezillaX]

They do not wait for a signal to interact with their fans, they just do it dynamically, constantly, they want to talk with the group, they play with you.

This may seem like a small thing, but something I've noticed with a few streamers, and something I noticed right away about a streamer I liked named Arcus who I've mentioned before (mostly speedruns old NES games and has a few world records in games like the Ninja Gaiden series), and, whenever I've seen him set a new personal best time in a game he's shooting for a world record, or breaks one of his own, he gets super pumped (the other 99% of the time he's like a gaming Bob Ross) and will be saying, 'YES!!! WE did it!!' And I've noticed a few others do this too. It's just a subtle little thing, but it legit has this inclusive feeling to it.

Now, think about Phil. He beats some boss who he's struggled with for hours, gets handheld, uses a guide, etc... and when he finally beats them, he starts flipping out about 'I,I,I', starts shit talking 'haters', etc. It's like he tries, for someone who has stated 100 times, 'I just wanna play games and share those experiences with you', to isolate himself and the experience of the game as SEPARATE from his viewers as possible. And it's so much worse given how much of his 'accomplishments' in games are completely reliant on others.

Again, a small thing, literally just one different word, but stuff like that can really change the way you come across and how the overall vibe of your relationship with your viewers can seem. A few small changes like that, and he could have SUCH a different environment. But, it's Phil, he is genuinely incapable of thinking beyond himself, and he needs much more than things like that to change the cancer in his little community that has people talking about raping each other in the chat so, disregard the above....

 

[thebonesauce]

Phil’s strawman streamer is just a major projection of his own streaming habits.

Like you listed, Phil thinks that successful streamers are annoying because they act like clowns using exaggerated reactions to cater to kids and idiots, have lazy or offensive overlays that don’t really tell you anything except where to buy their merch, are so obsessed with getting tips and subs that they barely engage with their audience, are so disconnected from reality that they can’t comment on anything outside of streaming or gaming, and are only in it for the money.

Gee, who does this list remind you of?

I don’t know where he gets all these ideals of who successful streamers and YouTubers are. Hell, he still thinks Pewdiepie is this shrieking manchild playing horror games for his tween fanbase even though he does a lot of other stuff now and has evolved to include a bit of an older crowd nowadays.

The best example of an excellent, successful streamer I can think of is Witwix. Dude can banter like a professional and is ridiculously skilled in Mario games. He draws a big crowd to play hat he ORIGINAL Hotline Miami, and even when the game is really demanding and difficult, he still banters with his viewers and just shoots the shit while beating extremely difficult Mario Maker levels and doing 72 Star runs in Mario 64. He’s always appreciative of his donations and subscriptions, and he’s such a laid back dude. Phil SHOULD watch other streamers and YouTubers to get an idea of what is ideal for successful streamers. By him living in his own little bubble he is severely limiting himself to growth and evolution. Fuck, just yesterday someone cheered about doing 10 minute videos again and he’s already thinking about reneging on his word about longer videos. Dude is just insane.

 

[Draza]

I don’t know where he gets all these ideals of who successful streamers and YouTubers are. Hell, he still thinks Pewdiepie is this shrieking manchild playing horror games for his tween fanbase even though he does a lot of other stuff now and has evolved to include a bit of an older crowd nowadays.

The best example of an excellent, successful streamer I can think of is Witwix. Dude can banter like a professional and is ridiculously skilled in Mario games. He draws a big crowd to play hat he ORIGINAL Hotline Miami, and even when the game is really demanding and difficult, he still banters with his viewers and just shoots the shit while beating extremely difficult Mario Maker levels and doing 72 Star runs in Mario 64. He’s always appreciative of his donations and subscriptions, and he’s such a laid back dude. Phil SHOULD watch other streamers and YouTubers to get an idea of what is ideal for successful streamers. By him living in his own little bubble he is severely limiting himself to growth and evolution. Fuck, just yesterday someone cheered about doing 10 minute videos again and he’s already thinking about reneging on his word about longer videos. Dude is just insane.

Dave doesn't want to grow nor evolve, he wants money. Money by being lazy and miminal effort while his moronic cult fund it.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

This may seem like a small thing, but something I've noticed with a few streamers, and something I noticed right away about a streamer I liked named Arcus who I've mentioned before (mostly speedruns old NES games and has a few world records in games like the Ninja Gaiden series), and, whenever I've seen him set a new personal best time in a game he's shooting for a world record, or breaks one of his own, he gets super pumped (the other 99% of the time he's like a gaming Bob Ross) and will be saying, 'YES!!! WE did it!!' And I've noticed a few others do this too. It's just a subtle little thing, but it legit has this inclusive feeling to it.

Now, think about Phil. He beats some boss who he's struggled with for hours, gets handheld, uses a guide, etc... and when he finally beats them, he starts flipping out about 'I,I,I', starts shit talking 'haters', etc. It's like he tries, for someone who has stated 100 times, 'I just wanna play games and share those experiences with you', to isolate himself and the experience of the game as SEPARATE from his viewers as possible. And it's so much worse given how much of his 'accomplishments' in games are completely reliant on others.

Again, a small thing, literally just one different word, but stuff like that can really change the way you come across and how the overall vibe of your relationship with your viewers can seem. A few small changes like that, and he could have SUCH a different environment. But, it's Phil, he is genuinely incapable of thinking beyond himself, and he needs much more than things like that to change the cancer in his little community that has people talking about raping each other in the chat so, disregard the above....

Oh he does the WE shit alright but not with videogames, but with his massive begging and troubles that seem to come by monthly.

 

[Il_Duke]

That doesn't exist anymore.

Did we ever get lore on why DSP's previous mod DeepDrive or whatever got banned from Twitch?
EDIT: Never mind, I guess he's not.

You think maybe he just doesn't bother with Health Insurance at all? That's one way for the Phil that cried wolf to learn what a real financial emergency looks like. At least he's less likely to be injured if he never leaves the Khampound.

 

[OneDaySon]

I don’t know where he gets all these ideals of who successful streamers and YouTubers are. Hell, he still thinks Pewdiepie is this shrieking manchild playing horror games for his tween fanbase even though he does a lot of other stuff now and has evolved to include a bit of an older crowd nowadays.

The best example of an excellent, successful streamer I can think of is Witwix. Dude can banter like a professional and is ridiculously skilled in Mario games. He draws a big crowd to play hat he ORIGINAL Hotline Miami, and even when the game is really demanding and difficult, he still banters with his viewers and just shoots the shit while beating extremely difficult Mario Maker levels and doing 72 Star runs in Mario 64. He’s always appreciative of his donations and subscriptions, and he’s such a laid back dude. Phil SHOULD watch other streamers and YouTubers to get an idea of what is ideal for successful streamers. By him living in his own little bubble he is severely limiting himself to growth and evolution. Fuck, just yesterday someone cheered about doing 10 minute videos again and he’s already thinking about reneging on his word about longer videos. Dude is just insane.

He knows what he says about other Youtubers and streamers are bogus assumptions, he's admitted it a few times before when it suits him for pity. For example he said during his apology for the Twitch shill streamer tweet that blew up, and in his depression video that he knows what he says isn't true and that he's generalising but what happens is that whenever he sees someone being more successful than him he just gets filled with "rage" he says and lashes out and tries to take them down to make himself feel better. So hence why he makes up all these lies about them so he comes off the better person. He probably does it to make sure that nobody from his stream runs off to watch other streamers too cause he knows he if they do he'll lose them for good.

Now he could have just been lying in the apology and depression video for pity points but what I think backs it up is that Rambo video, where Rambo mentions Project 7 and how during it Rambo got a ton of praise and was called the funniest character so DSP flipped out and made up all these lies about Rambo about how DSP wrote his lines and stuff so Rambo called up DSP and asked why he made up all that bullshit and DSP admitted he's an insecure person and seeing someone doing the same thing as him and getting praise for it while he doesn't riles him up big time and makes him feel shitty to the point he just flips out and lashes out at the person says stuff without thinking and thats what happened.

If this is the case then fuck, he has major confidence and self esteem issues. Its not even people like them OVER him, its just they like them in general and thats enough to piss him off.

I think the part of his fabrication that he does truly believe though is that his content is good and that its underappreciated and he deserves more success.