2014-Oct-14 - Thetan's Email

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It seems like most of the people who know Chris well are unsympathetic. His old gal pals and schoolmates, online friends, former white knights. It's like the closer you get to him, the less likely you are to be sympathetic because you realize how utterly unsympathetic a person he is...
 
What I find most interesting is how they came to this revelation. They knew about the tugboat, trolling, etc and were, seemingly, cool with everything. Yet taking a step back and seeing it all at once is what turned them. Idk, just interesting to see what little it takes to finally turn on Chris.
 
Well, it might be a tad simplistic to say that you're either a "white knight" or a "troll". It's possible to not defend Chris' crazy antic while not out and out trolling him like one of the "weens".

This is true, but it seems to be a noticeable trend that those who have stood up for Chris online repeatedly and tried to give him good advice only to have him ignore it or pay insincere lip service as though trying to get out of a scolding from mommy eventually give up on him and even turn outright troll.

Seeing some of his outrageously rude responses to expressions of sympathy like "Yes you feel sorry for me, but are you going to do anything about it?" to one of his 'pals' on Facebook, I can completely understand why.
 
That video he posted to youtube with him singing and apologizing for blowing his stack cause some dude went somewhere with his girlfriend...gal pal...sweetheart, was one of the saddest things i have ever seen. It was a real peek into a world i want no part of. I guess having defended him all these years, I took a hard look and thought " if that was someone I didnt know, the warning bells would be ringing".
I've held the position for a while now that the closer one is to Chris (and the closer one looks at him) the less amusing he becomes. It looks like Thetan's anonymous contact has finally looked close enough.
As we always say, you either die a white knight, or live long enough to see yourself become a troll. From what I cant tell, he's been in chris's corner for a while, But the Ivy-saga-esque video finally pushed him over the edge.
To Chris' thinking certainly you are either an ass patter or a dang dirty bullying troll. The real world is, of course, more complex than Chris' dichotomic view. This particular white knight's writing leads me to suspect they are becoming a mere observer of Chris' antics, and not a ween or a troll. Like what the vast majority of us are. Or they are simply walking away from Chris.
I also just remembered Chris still gets his tugboat after all this. How much does he and his mother get every month now?
People who won the lottery have managed to keep getting their tugboats. Chris and Barb and their Potemkin Affluence are just the tip of the wasted welfare iceberg. Admittedly they are a particularly bizarre example, but they really shouldn't cause Thetan's anonymous source or anyone here much surprise. Don't get mad at Chris or Barb for continuing to receive payments courtesy of the taxpayer (and on the taxpayer's debt) in the face of their credit fuelled lifestyle. If you must be frustrated with something, be frustrated with the bureaucracy that continues to give it to them.
Well, it might be a tad simplistic to say that you're either a "white knight" or a "troll". It's possible to not defend Chris' crazy antic while not out and out trolling him like one of the "weens".
Absolutely. We may joke about a sea of ween, but in reality there is only a small rolling population of weens, very few actual trolls, and a handful of white knights. As I said above, most of us here are here merely to observe. And laugh. Chris is completely unaware of our existence as individuals, and his perception of a Vast Trolling Conspiracy is mostly the result of his own paranoia and overweening sense of self importance. Chris has no clue about the vast majority of his observers, but the vast, vast majority of the world at large is completely unaware of Chris.
And yes...like I've said before (not to derail into politics): I'm a supporter of welfare, but honestly - seeing Chris beg for money while he spends freely on Lego and Beamers brings out the recessive Republican out in me.
Chris and Barb's lifestyle, such as it is, is fueled more on their unsustainable debt than on the taxpayer. When Thetan's anonymous source talks about new cars and BMW's and piles of expensive legos, it's clear that they have looked closely enough at Chris to realize he is hardly the victim he pretends to be, but also clear that they haven't looked closely enough to see it's all a squalid, trashy house of cards less stable than the buckling walls of 14BLC.

Consider that Chris and Barb have spent, and will continue to spend, far more in interest payments and fees and surcharges than the cost of their new used car and piles of legos. If Chris and Barb want to dig themselves ever deeper with spending their limited resources on things they don't need, well that's their choice and their business, just so long as they don't try to play the victim (which they will) when it comes back to bite them in the ass (which it will). I, myself, am not nearly as frustrated to see my hard earned taxes going to buy Chris and Barb cars and legos as I am deeply frustrated to see it so readily converted into fat profits for banks and credit card companies. Chris' legos are merely one more vector by which tax dollars go to enrich banks. I don't know if that's worth Thetan mentioning to this anonymous source, but it's definitely something worth considering with Chris' profligate lego purchasing.
Not the first guy to suggest Chris needs medical attention for his mental health issues, and probably not the last.
And I'm not the first guy to suggest that it probably wouldn't help much. I certainly won't be the last. Chris is one of those unfortunate cases that will need to learn that he, himself is largely to blame for his own problems before he can he helped to correct them. That will be a very difficult lesson for Chris to learn (if he ever does).
 
I think that idea that the more Chris content one gets, the less sympathetic he seems is very true. (He also seems increasingly pathetic, as well as unsympathetic, but that's another matter.)

I first started following Chris shortly after his ED article was written. My first impression of him was that he was really bizarre, but he seemed like the Ullillillia(sp?) type of lolcow: you know, the type that gains notoriety because the content they produce is so bizarre, but who's basically an unobjectionable human being. I mean, I would totally be friends with Ull. He seems like a pretty chill guy in spite of his mental problems. Original Chris was the same. You can't help but feel some fuzzy-wuzzies, I think, towards a grown man wearing a Sonichu medallion making a video about how boys should play with MLP in order to attract girlfriends. He seemed dumb but very well-intentioned.

But with every new piece of content that came out, he became more and more grotesque. Yelling at and trying to attack Mary Lee Walsh, then drawing weird porn of her and uploading it to the internet? Getting angry because da homos are wearing Axe? Trying to hit Michael Snyder with a car?

Spending money on Lego and taint piercings in a financial situation that's realistically really dire? Yeah. No. None of it makes Chris hateable per se, and A-logging someone as pathetic as Chris is isn't flattering, but it's hard to feel much sympathy for him either.
 
Funny thing is, Chris really is in more dire financial straits than he's ever been in at any other point in his life. What a bizarre time for this person to come to the realization that he's a welfare sponge who fritters away money he didn't earn on stuff he doesn't need while making an ass of himself on the internet. As if Chris hasn't been doing just that for his entire "adult" life. Sure, there's the ebay thing, but that's less than he'd earn working a part-time job year-round, and who knows how long it will last. The author of the email should pity Chris, not resent him.
 
Could he get a service job say at a fast food place? Has he tried? I'm not sure they would take him.

He had a job at Wendy's which mostly amounted to him wiping down tables and performing custodial duties and he still managed to get fired within two months. Since he stopped working for Cutco he's made minimal-at-best effort to get a new job and only then at the prompting of whichever sweetheart he was involved with at the time.

I've heard it said that ironically it's not Chris sitting around playing with vidya and legos that would result in disability fraud, but his working a paying job that would. Not sure how that one works but Bob actively discouraged Chris from getting a job before he died, convincing him (wrongly) he'd get more money from he tugboat, either because he really believed it or he realised that unleashing Chris into a working environment would be a recipe for disaster.
 
Just my opinion, but here it goes:

Chris gets Adult Child SSDI from his father, and maybe SSI assistance. Working would be a very bad idea for him. Chris is legitimately disabled, and if he worked longer than an SS Trial Work period he would loose his benefits. When you loose Adult Child SSDI benefits you can not get them back. He would have to then earn his own SS credits to be able to get disability again, or even just to retire. It bothers me when people harp on Chris getting SSDI/SSI. He could not hold down a job, secure his future, and have a safe retirement now at 30+ years of age with no SS credits. He is mentally ill, and probably should be in a group home for the special needs. He is also not stealing from taxpayers. SS does not work like that. SS can't borrow money from the federal government. He is not putting the USA into debt.

I agree though that he needs to report his earnings, he can get in big trouble if he doesn't.
 
I'm very interested to hear what happens to the white knights when they finally turn the corner. I wonder what they parts of his life they were seeing before, and how much they really knew about Chris, and how much of a shock it must be when they find out all the things he has done.

They dont realize that the BMW is old as hell though and they probably bought it 10+ years ago.
That kind of thing drives me nuts. Nobody would bat an eye if he had a 5 year old Toyota Camry in the driveway, but even a 20 year old BMW worth less than a Camry gets people mad. Same with any luxury brand like Lexus or Caddilac, or even the term 'SUV'.

Some people want anybody on some kind of government assistance to appear to be destitute in order to justify it. If you're getting food stamps or going to a food bank, you better look like you're on the verge of starvation. I guess if you haven't sold off all your worldly possessions yet, then you shouldn't be expected to receive any kind of help.
 
The truth is the truth. In Chris's case, both Chris's asspatters and detractors base their opinions on the truth that there is definitely something wrong with Chris. The only difference is the conclusion. You either believe that there is something wrong with Chris and therefore he isn't responsible for the things he says and does, or that the things he says and does are the product of a lifetime of people not holding him responsible for the things he says and does. It doesn't take much thought to arrive at the second conclusion. It takes virtually none to arrive at the first.
 
I'm more amused with the folks in these threads who don't know that Cutco is less of a "place of business" and more of a "pyramid scheme". It's not a resume point or valid inclusion in a job history list at all. Chris wasn't "employed" by Cutco because Cutco will take on any schmuck dumb enough to fall for their act, milk them for as long as they can, and go on to the next guy.
 
Just my opinion, but here it goes:

Chris gets Adult Child SSDI from his father, and maybe SSI assistance. Working would be a very bad idea for him. Chris is legitimately disabled, and if he worked longer than an SS Trial Work period he would loose his benefits. When you loose Adult Child SSDI benefits you can not get them back. He would have to then earn his own SS credits to be able to get disability again, or even just to retire. It bothers me when people harp on Chris getting SSDI/SSI. He could not hold down a job, secure his future, and have a safe retirement now at 30+ years of age with no SS credits. He is mentally ill, and probably should be in a group home for the special needs. He is also not stealing from taxpayers. SS does not work like that. SS can't borrow money from the federal government. He is not putting the USA into debt.

I agree though that he needs to report his earnings, he can get in big trouble if he doesn't.
Some of the special needs Wack Packers from the Stern show get SSI and hold menial jobs. I'm sure there is a cap on how much he could make and still get the tugboat, and he really should report this income, just because of the amount made in such a short period of time. 'Bigfoot' won something like $8,000 in a fantasy football game and had to go off his SSI for a short time, and Chris might have the same issue, but it won't be for more than a month or so. He does run the risk of having to pay the government back if they find out after the fact, as can happen when unemployment benefits overlap with retirement and social security payouts.
 
"I don't agree that a site like CWCki should target someone"

That's what I love about White Knights. They try so hard to find a villain to protect their charges from that they go after any bystanders that might be watching. It doesn't matter that living up to a White Knight's expectations will get you banned here, to them, it's clearly a ruse to hide our malice.
 
Some of the special needs Wack Packers from the Stern show get SSI and hold menial jobs. I'm sure there is a cap on how much he could make and still get the tugboat, and he really should report this income, just because of the amount made in such a short period of time. 'Bigfoot' won something like $8,000 in a fantasy football game and had to go off his SSI for a short time, and Chris might have the same issue, but it won't be for more than a month or so. He does run the risk of having to pay the government back if they find out after the fact, as can happen when unemployment benefits overlap with retirement and social security payouts.
That is true, he could get a job that would not be considered substantial work. He would be limited on the hours he could work each week, and he would have to report the income. The amount he makes at the job would be removed from his SSI though. Financially it probably wouldn't be worth it, though maybe it would give him social experience. He really should seek out a mental health care provider. They could help him do a little work/volunteering or something to help him socially. They could also keep him from loosing his benefits by explaining what he can and cant do. The fact he is not seeing a mental health care provider (from what I know of, I haven't been keeping up on Chris well lately) has always baffled me. I know he sees a lady at his church, but he needs someone who is a professional.
 
is also not stealing from taxpayers. SS does not work like that. SS can't borrow money from the federal government.

I'm a politically weird person that is usually fine with most social programs. Implying that Social Security is not taxpayer money is insane.
He gets 1,300 a month. If he had a job, his net (y'know...after taxes, the biggest one being FICA), would be the same if he made $25,000 a year.

And stating that Chris is incapable, literally not capable, of having a job where he earned $25,000 a year...when he has a college degree?

Him not wanting to work isn't even the same realm as not being able to work.
 
for someone supposedly close to Chris, he's only really pointing out the superficial. He sees the BMW and thinks Barb's just toolin' around in a luxury car, when the truth is that it's a, what, 10-12 year old car that hasn't seen fresh oil since the invasion of Iraq. He see's relatively new car and thinks Chris has it free and clear, not that Chris got it on credit from that creepy car dealer from GTAV and that it'll be repo'd 12 seconds after the first late check. As for the SSDI, Chris simply can't hold a normal job, he cannot function properly around people. E-baying the medallions and the scribbles wont last long, has netted him a few grand already spent on LEGO, and he's already in debt. If the tugboat stops coming into port, Chris is screwed.
 
I'm a politically weird person that is usually fine with most social programs. Implying that Social Security is not taxpayer money is insane.
He gets 1,300 a month. If he had a job, his net (y'know...after taxes, the biggest one being FICA), would be the same if he made $25,000 a year.

And stating that Chris is incapable, literally not capable, of having a job where he earned $25,000 a year...when he has a college degree?

Him not wanting to work isn't even the same realm as not being able to work.

Let's be quite realistic here. Chris's degree is completely worthless. It was worthless the day he got it, and it hasn't gotten any more valuable in the intervening 8 years since. It has absolutely no bearing on his employability whatsoever and any employer who did the tiniest amount of investigating would come to the conclusion that not only is it worthless, it was practically given to Chris to get rid of him. It represents absolutely no learned or innate skills or abilities.
 
I think the writer of this email is probably struggling financially despite working and thinks that Chris is having an easier time while sitting on his ass. That might be true, but I don't think Chris's situation is as salubrious as the author believes. Seems like this guy/girl has seen that Chris's mom has a beamer, he's making money off ebay, and he's bought a new car. I don't think he/she realises how shitty that BMW actually is, how unstable Chris's ebay income will soon become, and the fact that he really, really can't afford his new car.
Kind of representative of a lot of A-Logs on the forum.
 
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