DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[BoomerPhil]

Giving money to Dave is an addiction to his paypigs, so like with physical drug a fallback into bad habits is possible

That and BSV has been MIA for over three weeks now. I get he feels burned as he stated pages back before he disappeared but for those who have forgotten. This is the guy who went above and beyond what any of Dave's paypigs have done. He has gone and figuratively fought for Dave. Whether it was his tism with KoP that led to him contacting his place of employment or his tism against that chick on Fred's podcast where he lost his mind and made some odd comments about women overall. Brightsideviking has given huge amounts of money to Dave for a long period of time and while it is possible the guy is not tut I also do find it not out of the realm of possibility that bsv is continuing his paypig duties anonymously for his own reasons (mainly to avoid another dox-a-thon or hurting dave). Also Dave is not the kind to be honest about his money ever so this tut guy is very beneficial to dave

 

[NotreallyPutin]

IF DSP is making bank on Twitch, why is he bitching about youtube ads when he already admits that Twitch is his future? It's not like he's making a mountain out of a gout hill to get pity donations.....

 

[BoomerPhil]

IF DSP is making bank on Twitch, why is he bitching about youtube ads when he already admits that Twitch is his future? It's not like he's making a mountain out of a gout hill to get pity donations.....

Because greed is massively strong

 

[James Smith]

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DSP doesn't know the difference between audience retention and engagement.

Someone who watches 6 minutes of a 10 minute video represents 60% audience retention. There is no such "engagement percentage" metric. It simply does not exist.

What most of my videos look like:

What DSP's videos probably look like:

 

[Haunter]

That and BSV has been MIA for over three weeks now. I get he feels burned as he stated pages back before he disappeared but for those who have forgotten. This is the guy who went above and beyond what any of Dave's paypigs have done. He has gone and figuratively fought for Dave. Whether it was his tism with KoP that led to him contacting his place of employment or his tism against that chick on Fred's podcast where he lost his mind and made some odd comments about women overall. Brightsideviking has given huge amounts of money to Dave for a long period of time and while it is possible the guy is not tut I also do find it not out of the realm of possibility that bsv is continuing his paypig duties anonymously for his own reasons (mainly to avoid another dox-a-thon or hurting dave). Also Dave is not the kind to be honest about his money ever so this tut guy is very beneficial to dave

This... No.

Spoiler: Reasons

You can simply look up BSV's profile and see that he hasn't visited this site in 1 week and 3 days, not "over three weeks". Further, being on this site is not a determiner for whether someone gives money to DSP or not. Not coming here, however, is a good determiner for whether someone isn't acting stupid.

It's true that BSV has gone "above and beyond what any of Dave's paypigs have done ". He's also come out the other side, and even joked about the stupid stuff he's done for Phil. Something else none of Dave's paypigs have ever done. Returning to Phil even after mistreatment is common for his "Dickriders", but BSV is an uncommon case.

"Brightsideviking has given huge amounts of money to Dave for a long period of time". So did KingJezal, who also went MIA, and others, too. There's other cast members you could choose to fill the role of tut. But it's not necessary. New Dickriders appear with absurd amounts of money. It's not uncommon.

I don't understand where "avoiding another dox-a-thon" comes from. The doxers haven't brought it up since it ended. The January Harvest wasn't because BSV was giving Phil money. It was to get Phil to acknowledge BSV's trouble-making here. Whether or not he has his name attached to his donations makes no difference.

 

[OneDaySon]

Raw gameplay is very much still a thing though in the way of longplays. It's just that people only want to watch longplays played by someone competent and they only want game audio, no commentary.

Blind raw gameplay lets plays are still a thing too, in fact they're pretty big since people wanna see people's first time reactions to stuff. Its not huge but its pretty big, especially if you hit up a franchise with a cult following or a good niche. But the thing is, they wanna see people fall in love with the game they fell in love with, they wanna see people get into a franchise for the first time and really get into a series and gasp at the twists and cry at the sad moments and freak out at the crazy moments. Phil does none of that. He's mostly quiet until someone sends him a bitch here, he whines at the frustrating moments, makes jokes during the cut scenes and doesnt list, and all he does is clap and sing during the credits. Not exactly what people who wanna watch Blind Raw lets plays are looking for.

Oh but the full unedited playthrough is pretty much dead. Even the long players edit out the boring stuff like inventory management for hours, wandering from one place to another in silence, grinding.

 

[Zaryiu]

This... No.

Spoiler: Reasons

You can simply look up BSV's profile and see that he hasn't visited this site in 1 week and 3 days, not "over three weeks". Further, being on this site is not a determiner for whether someone gives money to DSP or not. Not coming here, however, is a good determiner for whether someone isn't acting stupid.

It's true that BSV has gone "above and beyond what any of Dave's paypigs have done ". He's also come out the other side, and even joked about the stupid stuff he's done for Phil. Something else none of Dave's paypigs have ever done. Returning to Phil even after mistreatment is common for his "Dickriders", but BSV is an uncommon case.

"Brightsideviking has given huge amounts of money to Dave for a long period of time". So did KingJezal, who also went MIA, and others, too. There's other cast members you could choose to fill the role of tut. But it's not necessary. New Dickriders appear with absurd amounts of money. It's not uncommon.

I don't understand where "avoiding another dox-a-thon" comes from. The doxers haven't brought it up since it ended. The January Harvest wasn't because BSV was giving Phil money. It was to get Phil to acknowledge BSV's trouble-making here. Whether or not he has his name attached to his donations makes no difference.

That still leave a window for him to go really stupid besides i still don't have the same opinion on BSV as others here . My enemy's enemy is not my friend (i don't see DSP as my enemy or any dumb shit like that), i have interact ed with him so i don't have a good opinion of him (i'm neutral overall) and maybe i'm being i'm being paranoid but i can't being suspicious about what he's doing at a moment like this when suddenly a new paywhale just shows up out of nowhere.

Tl;dr i don't know who the hell is Tut and i'm not being rational

 

[Memology 101]

Can we talk for a second about how fucking absurd it is to think that every 10 minutes of content watched someone should have to watch an ad? Like, I use adblock so I generally can't stand ads, but I also have access to cable so sometimes I have to deal with ads, if it were every 10 minutes though I just wouldn't fucking watch. What world is DSP living in that an ad every 10 minutes is acceptable? I'd like to see them do that to a WWE Network PPV and hear Phil bitch about how they "showed way too many ads dood".

On YouTube, you can control the type of ads you want to appear on screen. You don't want to annoy your fanbase, you can select to play just banner ads. Simple as that. More so on 10 mins+ videos. You can controls how many ads appear on said video. I can atest to this because of my current channel.

So Phil can still have many ads that don't fucking annoy the viewer. Oh, and there is no truth behind the shit he spits about not being able to get unskipable ads without a partnership. You can do it either way.

On YouTube, you can control the type of ads you want to appear on screen. You don't want to annoy your fanbase, you can select to play just banner ads. Simple as that. More so on 10 mins+ videos. You can controls how many ads appear on said video. I can atest to this because of my current channel.

So Phil can still have many ads that don't fucking annoy the viewer. Oh, and there is no truth behind the shit he spits about not being able to get unskipable ads without a partnership. You can do it either way.

An example of what one can do with ads on 10+ mins videos.

 

[JamFlowMan]

On YouTube, you can control the type of ads you want to appear on screen. You don't want to annoy your fanbase, you can select to play just banner ads. Simple as that. More so on 10 mins+ videos. You can controls how many ads appear on said video. I can atest to this because of my current channel.

So Phil can still have many ads that don't fucking annoy the viewer. Oh, and there is no truth behind the shit he spits about not being able to get unskipable ads without a partnership. You can do it either way.

90% of the time when Phil says "I can't" he really means "I don't know how." Until someone gives him step by step details and it doesn't hurt his bottom line he might do it one day long after anyone cares.

 

[actually]

Can someone explain what's going in this tweet thread: https://twitter.com/TubbyEmu/status/1035765052496855040

This guy calls out Phil about his dumbass "revelations" about Youtube's ads. But this dude has a CPM of between $7-$10? I understand that different categories or types of videos have different CPMs (and apparently sports games get stupid high CPM), but, uh, that could mean that the Youtube numbers are way off? Or is $1-$2 better for someone like Phil, who has had community strikes (which I would think affect you even after the fact), low retention, and all his other issues?

 

[Memology 101]

Can someone explain what's going in this tweet thread: https://twitter.com/TubbyEmu/status/1035765052496855040

This guy calls out Phil about his dumbass "revelations" about Youtube's ads. But this dude has a CPM of between $7-$10? I understand that different categories or types of videos have different CPMs (and apparently sports games get stupid high CPM), but, uh, that could mean that the Youtube numbers are way off? Or is $1-$2 better for someone like Phil, who has had community strikes (which I would think affect you even after the fact), low retention, and all his other issues?

It varies by type of video. My CPM is stupid low. The CPM of that guy is super high. But notice how Phil says that CPM was normal for a video with that amount of views, he is not surprised by it. Meaning he does more money than what we can imagine.

It varies by type of video. My CPM is stupid low. The CPM of that guy is super high. But notice how Phil says that CPM was normal for a video with that amount of views, he is not surprised by it. Meaning he does more money than what we can imagine.

Fuck Phil if that is normal CPM for him. That's nowhere near mine. And consider Phil has been demonetized, lost partnerships and has gotten strikes before. Imagine his CPM before all those things happened. This liar is drowning in ad revenue. He is not amazed at all by that CPM.

Fuck Phil if that is normal CPM for him. That's nowhere near mine. And consider Phil has been demonetized, lost partnerships and has gotten strikes before. Imagine his CPM before all those things happened. This liar is drowning in ad revenue. He is not amazed at all by that CPM.

Also keep in mind the views of the guy talking to Phil on Twitter.

Now, remember his CPM. This man has less views than Phil on latest videos. His CPM is fucking high, doing gameplay for sport based games. Phil was not surprised at all by his CPM: Really makes you think....

 

[Freshtodeath]

I'm confused. Pretty sure the content creator decides how many ads there are. Why is DSP talking about only seeing one ad versus seeing many on another platform? Anyways it's pretty simple. I use adblock for DSP's vids and for someone I really like/want to support I use my browser without ad block.

 

[Memology 101]

I'm confused. Pretty sure the content creator decides how many ads there are. Why is DSP talking about only seeing one ad versus seeing many on another platform? Anyways it's pretty simple. I use adblock for DSP's vids and for someone I really like/want to support I use my browser without ad block.

Unless the video has been claimed for using music or audiovisual content from a third party, any creator can control how many ads appear on the video.

Can someone explain what's going in this tweet thread: https://twitter.com/TubbyEmu/status/1035765052496855040

This guy calls out Phil about his dumbass "revelations" about Youtube's ads. But this dude has a CPM of between $7-$10? I understand that different categories or types of videos have different CPMs (and apparently sports games get stupid high CPM), but, uh, that could mean that the Youtube numbers are way off? Or is $1-$2 better for someone like Phil, who has had community strikes (which I would think affect you even after the fact), low retention, and all his other issues?

Just so you know, you just helped me expose more of Phil's lies with this post. Doing a video now.

 

[Asperchewy]

Just so you know, you just helped me expose more of Phil's lies with this post. Doing a video now.

Open it with That Childish Gambino intro. That edit is funny as balls.

 

[JamFlowMan]

Can someone explain what's going in this tweet thread: https://twitter.com/TubbyEmu/status/1035765052496855040

This guy calls out Phil about his dumbass "revelations" about Youtube's ads. But this dude has a CPM of between $7-$10? I understand that different categories or types of videos have different CPMs (and apparently sports games get stupid high CPM), but, uh, that could mean that the Youtube numbers are way off? Or is $1-$2 better for someone like Phil, who has had community strikes (which I would think affect you even after the fact), low retention, and all his other issues?

I know a while ago, maybe the first emergency video before Machinima gave him the boot Phil said a $2 CPM is about where you want to be, and that was while still under his managed partnership. The info came from Phil so put as much stock into it as you want. Maybe find some info on other gaming channels to see how their CPM's compare.

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To me this reads like he is surprised by that number. I read it as he saw that number and wanted to know everything about that video so he can announce tomorrow he is dropping video games and now chopping up sports footage. Of course it is just text so the way you read it can be way different then I do.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I don't know if I believe Phil is getting $7 CPM. Phil has made unguarded statements about how his Youtube revenue compares to Twitch revenue at various times, and our number crunchers have been able to guesstimate his CPM based on the publicly available number of views.
For $7 CPM to be right, either the Twitch estimates would have to be off by a factor of 5 or more, or Phil would have to be consistently lowballing his Youtube revenues, while referring to them offhand and indirectly. And he's just not that smart.

 

[Memology 101]

Open it with That Childish Gambino intro. That edit is funny as balls.

I live to entertain.

I know a while ago, maybe the first emergency video before Machinima gave him the boot Phil said a $2 CPM is about where you want to be, and that was while still under his managed partnership. The info came from Phil so put as much stock into it as you want. Maybe find some info on other gaming channels to see how their CPM's compare.

To me this reads like he is surprised by that number. I read it as he saw that number and wanted to know everything about that video so he can announce tomorrow he is dropping video games and now chopping up sports footage. Of course it is just text so the way you read it can be way different then I do.

My CPM is around 1 $ per 3k to 4k views. So Phil having a CPM of 2$ for 1k views is abismal with the views he gets. He was lying then.

 

[Wurstbrot]

@Memology 101 , you edit your videos so well, could you do the same for your posts instead of multi-posting?

Raw gameplay is very much still a thing though in the way of longplays. It's just that people only want to watch longplays played by someone competent and they only want game audio, no commentary.

And then there comes me who wants commentary cuz I like to listen to someone while I also play my games.

There should really be an investigation on how much views different gaming styles make, I bet it will be a mixed bag. Twitch is famous and beloved right now, people necessarily watch unedited stuff and they like it. They would also like it on Youtube but there they get the additional category of "edited footage" which is even better. In my cooking book RAW is fine, but cooked is even better, it's simply one step above the uncut meat, you can't change that formula, it's more easily digestible and without all the fat.

I rarely watch RAW gameplay anymore, tbh. There have to be some active factors to be present:

• The player has to be likeable
• The player has to have a nice voice
• The player knows what he's actually doing
• The player won't waste my time

Dave can't accomplish even 1 of these things.
I'd say the format isn't Phil's problem. It's him. The way he plays, the way he talks, the way he behaves, maybe even the way he looks. The game did nothing wrong.

 

[PieceofShet]

7 as CPM? Where did this come from. I doubt. Wasnt it like between 1 and 2? Whats happening?

 

[Memology 101]

7 as CPM? Where did this come from. I doubt. Wasnt it like between 1 and 2? Whats happening?

Phil stating a 11$ is normal for a 1k views video is proof of a lot of shit.

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