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I would say Palin cost McCain support (if not directly then it definitely sapped voter enthusiasm) and it was pretty clear Palin was forced on him by the RNC. That said, not inviting her to the funeral is petty as fuck. You could at least maintain a veneer of mutual respect.

Feud aside, I can't really fault him for not inviting Trump, since it would have just made the whole thing about Trump. I mean, his final message and his family did a good job of making his funeral all about Trump even before the media ran with it. But you know, the principal of the thing.

The petty crocodile tears from the left is pretty great.



They also love him because he lost so chocolate jesus could take the white house.
Its funny how Dems never seem to like Republicans who don't win, and forget all about how important decorum is when people in their camp act like loons & bullies when they want to win political points.
I think you can argue for Palin having both pros and cons. She made voting for McCain more palatable for many conservatives for one thing.
She was definitely better than McCains first choice Joe Lieberman.
Yeah McCain actually thought that a McCain/Lieberman ticket would have been a good idea. His advisers in a rare moment of clarity talked him out of it. Although McCain in his infinite wisdom regretted not making that choice.
Like seriously? McCain/Lieberman would have been an almost Walter Mondale '84 tier disaster. Any gains such a ticket would have made with Dems and Independents would have been more than evened out by conservatives bolting from the ticket.
 
The media started to lose all credibility when it started to get in bed with the Democrats. The media has been run by liberal ideologues that have been manipulating the thoughts of the American people for years. People now are realizing how full of shit they are.

Personally, I think the Republicans will gain more in both houses and it’ll allow Trump to actually do more of the shit he wants to do for the people that voted for him. The most important thing though is that the midterms will show that both the left and the MSM have stubbornly learned nothing since 2016.

Only one way to ensure that, gotta get out there and vote, my friend.

Anyway.. So apparently Trump went golfing while people are mourning McCain... Even a president needs a bit of reprieve, besides, it's fucking GOLF! It's not like he walked over to McCain's grave and took a shit on it, he was playing golf! What's the big deal here?
 
As tired and played out as "This how you got Trump" hot takes are I think the week long circus that is McCain's many funerals is as good an example as any.
There is something deeply grotesque and off putting about watching the D.C establishment jerk it's self off for a week straight at the taxpayers expense.
Sure McCain was big part of American political life and theres nothing wrong with paying tribute. I had no special love for the man but I'll concede that point.
But from the way the whole things been choreographed and staged you'd think Jesus Christ himself had been Resurrected and Crucified again.
The fact that everything from the eulogies to the choice of pallbearers, McCain had a Russian dissident be one of his, has been calculated to make a statement is just really petty and small.
Using a mans casket as a soapbox and grandstanding opportunity is just classy.
I suppose the silver lining is that tasteless and tone deaf shit like this is only helping to dig the media and political establishment deeper into the hole their already in.
But thats a small comfort.
 
As tired and played out as "This how you got Trump" hot takes are I think the week long circus that is McCain's many funerals is as good an example as any.
There is something deeply grotesque and off putting about watching the D.C establishment jerk it's self off for a week straight at the taxpayers expense.
Sure McCain was big part of American political life and theres nothing wrong with paying tribute. I had no special love for the man but I'll concede that point.
But from the way the whole things been choreographed and staged you'd think Jesus Christ himself had been Resurrected and Crucified again.
The fact that everything from the eulogies to the choice of pallbearers, McCain had a Russian dissident be one of his, has been calculated to make a statement is just really petty and small.
Using a mans casket as a soapbox and grandstanding opportunity is just classy.
I suppose the silver lining is that tasteless and tone deaf shit like this is only helping to dig the media and political establishment deeper into the hole their already in.
But thats a small comfort.
I know that’s a big thought, but I don’t think most Americans watched or cared about the funeral
 
I know that’s a big thought, but I don’t think most Americans watched or cared about the funeral

I didn't watch or care about the funeral but it's been hard to escape the non-stop adulation and revisionist history from all sides of the media and the GOP/Dem establishments that completely ignore McCain's singular legacy of corrupt, globalist warmongering.
 
I think you can argue for Palin having both pros and cons. She made voting for McCain more palatable for many conservatives for one thing.

Frontline's Divided States of America (long watch, but worth it) talked about the 2008 election and brought up how Sarah Palin being put on the VP ticket ended up dividing the GOP, and is probably one of the factors to the Tea Party Movement being created shortly after the election. Who honestly knows what a McCain presidency would've been like (brings up a good question: what would the race with Hillary Clinton be like had they decided to stick with her instead of Obama?), but as much as I wasn't a fan, I don't think Palin was too terrible a choice in hindsight, but her inclusion definitely made waves that changed the course of the GOP. I dunno, something about her rustled a lot of jimmies that makes me wonder if the bureaucrats were afraid of her for some reason.

It's just really sad how much the Palin name has been dragged through the mud just because she wasn't "one of them", though she should've done more to protect her family since they got hit hard with the media blasting their ass for years.
 
Frontline's Divided States of America (long watch, but worth it) talked about the 2008 election and brought up how Sarah Palin being put on the VP ticket ended up dividing the GOP, and is probably one of the factors to the Tea Party Movement being created shortly after the election. Who honestly knows what a McCain presidency would've been like (brings up a good question: what would the race with Hillary Clinton be like had they decided to stick with her instead of Obama?), but as much as I wasn't a fan, I don't think Palin was too terrible a choice in hindsight, but her inclusion definitely made waves that changed the course of the GOP. I dunno, something about her rustled a lot of jimmies that makes me wonder if the bureaucrats were afraid of her for some reason.

It's just really sad how much the Palin name has been dragged through the mud just because she wasn't "one of them", though she should've done more to protect her family since they got hit hard with the media blasting their ass for years.
As much I hated Obama I will give him credit for one thing.
While both Obama and McCain were interventionist assholes Obama never went further than drone strikes, the occasional bombing campaign and arming "Moderate" rebels.
McCain meanwhile was diehard when it came to those matters. Even a one term McCain Presidency probably would have resulted in Operation Iraqi Freedom style interventions in Syria and Libya and maybe Iran as well.
And thats not even getting into the Russia question.
Back in the summer of '08 McCain wanted to intervene in the South Ossetia War. Yep 6 years before the Crimea annexation McCain was already beating the drum for WW3 over something even dumber and even less relevant to America.
I will never understand what it is with NeoCons and thinking war is fun and easy and consequence free. Well besides the fact that they don't have to fight in any of their foreign adventures.
 
As much I hated Obama I will give him credit for one thing.
While both Obama and McCain were interventionist assholes Obama never went further than drone strikes, the occasional bombing campaign and arming "Moderate" rebels.
McCain meanwhile was diehard when it came to those matters. Even a one term McCain Presidency probably would have resulted in Operation Iraqi Freedom style interventions in Syria and Libya and maybe Iran as well.
And thats not even getting into the Russia question.
Back in the summer of '08 McCain wanted to intervene in the South Ossetia War. Yep 6 years before the Crimea annexation McCain was already beating the drum for WW3 over something even dumber and even less relevant to America.
I will never understand what it is with NeoCons and thinking war is fun and easy and consequence free. Well besides the fact that they don't have to fight in any of their foreign adventures.

Also it didn't help that if McCain succeeded, the republican party would be in an even worse state than it was back then.
 
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As much I hated Obama I will give him credit for one thing.
While both Obama and McCain were interventionist assholes Obama never went further than drone strikes, the occasional bombing campaign and arming "Moderate" rebels.
McCain meanwhile was diehard when it came to those matters. Even a one term McCain Presidency probably would have resulted in Operation Iraqi Freedom style interventions in Syria and Libya and maybe Iran as well.
And thats not even getting into the Russia question.
Back in the summer of '08 McCain wanted to intervene in the South Ossetia War. Yep 6 years before the Crimea annexation McCain was already beating the drum for WW3 over something even dumber and even less relevant to America.
I will never understand what it is with NeoCons and thinking war is fun and easy and consequence free. Well besides the fact that they don't have to fight in any of their foreign adventures.

Except you're forgetting Obama implemented the surge in Afghanistan, and sent special forces into Iraq/Syria to fight ISIS train a bunch of Al Queda & target supporting airstrikes. He also put "security forces" in Libya, and almost got us involved in Egypt.

With McCain might have seen a larger presence in Libya, but I don't think we'd have seen anything different in Syria. Syria was Obama being caught unprepared and unready to support any of the other Arab revolutions, and wanting to leave a legacy as helping spread the power of the people. He just chose the wrong damn country. Honestly I think we'd have seen a greater US role in fighting ISIS in Iraq, Syria is Russia's stomping ground and involvement in Syria would have risked alienating Turkey. I can do an effort-post about it people want to read a lot of words that boil down to "Everything in the region is fucked, the only real solution is to glass the mideast and start over".

South Ossetia War, I've got mixed feelings on, in so much as Georgia has been a pretty solid ally*, and it would have been nice to have shown them some material support. OTOH, they had been poking the bear in the area for years. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I also have mixed feelings on Iran's attempted Persian Spring. Their government is one of the key sources of instability in the mideast, both directly (by arming, funding, training, supporting and sheltering Islamist terror groups) and indirectly (by exerting political influence & funding foreign political groups to keep other nations from countering their agenda). They went from a liberal western styled country to a theocracy because in the wake of the Monarchy's collapse, the only thing most people had in common was Islam, and the Islamists just coopted the monarchy's mechanisms for silencing dissent. In general, the population who isn't involved in the government doesn't like the government, and I think even just Libyan-styled "civilian protection" + some sort of communications support for the reformists would have resulted in a change in government - if not a complete overthrow, definitely serious reforms.

OTOH, in addition to revolutions usually turning out to destructive blood-lettings that often change very little for the better, and it almost certainly costing the US billions of dollars and who knows what in lives, without Iran, the sole power in the Mideast becomes Saudi Arabia. With no more Iranian boogey man, SA doesn't need the support of the US anymore**, and they are free to implement their own agenda of funding, supporting, and sheltering Sunni Islamic terror group with no one to oppose them with Iraq and Iran both in a state of "being completely fucked". (again, Everything in the region is fucked, the only real solution is to glass the mideast and start over)

Edit: A more interesting thing to think about is "Assuming McCain won, and since people wouldn't be turning out for Chocolate Jesus means no major Democratic congressional gains... with any VP, how well do you think he'd have responded to the 2009 economic collapse?"




*Ok, more like "a very consistent suck-up" but close enough.
** They still would, to keep their own radical religious wackos from going off the rails and over throwning, but much less support, and not internationally. Plus with no Iran, they could get back to the 80's policy of sending the biggest wackos to other countries to be someone else's problem (and hopefully get killed). It doesn't always play out like that, and that's how we got bin Laden.
 
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Edit: A more interesting thing to think about is "Assuming McCain won, and since people wouldn't be turning out for Chocolate Jesus means no major Democratic congressional gains... with any VP, how well do you think he'd have responded to the 2009 economic collapse?"

One of the major reasons I didn't vote for McCain was because he kept referring to the office as "Commander-in-Chief". While yes, that's one function, it bothered me that he seemed rather laser-focused on having the military under his control.

I'm pretty sure his response would therefore have been to ramp up our involvement with every bullshit tribal feud in the Middle East. And probably a slapfight with Putin; he seemed to have a rather fragile ego and would never have reacted well to Putin playing "who's the alpha" games with him.
 
Really, what was he supposed to do? If he went the media would be blowing up about Trump crashing the funeral he was explicitly told not to come to.

McCain said fuck off, Trump fucked off. The man shouldn't just hole up and not have fun because one dead guy's the most unfun old man of this decade.

Thats why I don't believe people saying "If Trump just shut up and stayed off Twitter, everything would be fine". No, he goes to play golf, and that means he's dancing on someones grave. They need to tell people how bad Trump is because he ordered the steak instead of the fish.
 
One of the major reasons I didn't vote for McCain was because he kept referring to the office as "Commander-in-Chief". While yes, that's one function, it bothered me that he seemed rather laser-focused on having the military under his control.

I'm pretty sure his response would therefore have been to ramp up our involvement with every bullshit tribal feud in the Middle East. And probably a slapfight with Putin; he seemed to have a rather fragile ego and would never have reacted well to Putin playing "who's the alpha" games with him.
If you'll allow me to put my Internet Psychologist hat on for a moment...
I've always thought that McCain's War Hawk behavior and general fixation on the Military was all part of him overcompensating after what happened to him in Vietnam.
A way for him to purge his demons and guilt about that time of his life by proving how tough and unbreakable he was.
Most Veterans tend not to talk or brag about what they went though but for McCain it seemed impossible to move on from those years.
All rumors about "Songbird" aside I'm sure that no one in this thread thinks they could do or endure better what McCain went through. But personally I think something just broke in McCain during those times.
 
With McCain might have seen a larger presence in Libya, but I don't think we'd have seen anything different in Syria. Syria was Obama being caught unprepared and unready to support any of the other Arab revolutions, and wanting to leave a legacy as helping spread the power of the people. He just chose the wrong damn country. Honestly I think we'd have seen a greater US role in fighting ISIS in Iraq, Syria is Russia's stomping ground and involvement in Syria would have risked alienating Turkey. I can do an effort-post about it people want to read a lot of words that boil down to "Everything in the region is fucked, the only real solution is to glass the mideast and start over".

Well that and to exploit Libya's resources collaborated with the French to get the oil.
 
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