Pyramid Scheme Pariahs

[The Nameless One]

This is crazy.

I've been consistently following the blogger listed in the OP, http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/ since this thread was started. The guy has been writing posts rebuking every aspect of Vemma's business model, lambasting their leadership, and dedicating many posts to comparing Vemma to similar pyramid schemes. Recently he was beginning work on an ebook that he was going to sell satirizing the multi-level marketing industry. A couple of weeks ago, he made a post saying that he had said everything that there was to say about Vemma, revealing all the flaws in Vemma affiliates' arguments, and that he was quitting the blog but leaving it up for reference.

A few days ago, the blog was made private, so every post is gone. Just today, this was posted: http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/attention-all-viewers/

ATTENTION

The blog you are looking for has ceased publication. Anyone who republishes or redistributes content originally published on this blog may be subject to legal action.

Any disputes or misunderstandings between the publishers or authors of this blog and Vemma Nutrition Company have been resolved to the satisfaction of all involved.

Astonished, I started looking for other venues where people might be discussing this, and found this subreddit focused on Vemma, where a few people were discussing the blog's disappearance: http://www.reddit.com/r/Vemma/comments/2eet51/what_happened_to_ypr_pariah/

People think that he was either threatened with legal action and caved in (unlikely, since he was doing a good job at keeping himself anonymous, and there's nothing that they could do, really), or that they paid him off. I'm inclined to believe the latter, based on the reasoning in this post:

guy just got a job in engineering, was a college kid... Vemma has previously offered over $500000 to other "network marketing" people from other companies... this is insignificant compared to the value of terminating one of their biggest detractors, who shows up in the top search results for anything Vemma related. he is a kid and i would bet he just couldn't say no to several hundred to possibly even a several million-dollar offer.

I tried to find archives of the blog's posts, but Wayback Machine and Google's cache don't have anything due to the site's "robots.txt," which has something to do with how webpages are scanned and sorted by the automated web crawlers that search engines use. Pretty floored by what's happened.

 

[ASoulMan]

This is crazy.

I've been consistently following the blogger listed in the OP, http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/ since this thread was started. The guy has been writing posts rebuking every aspect of Vemma's business model, lambasting their leadership, and dedicating many posts to comparing Vemma to similar pyramid schemes. Recently he was beginning work on an ebook that he was going to sell satirizing the multi-level marketing industry. A couple of weeks ago, he made a post saying that he had said everything that there was to say about Vemma, revealing all the flaws in Vemma affiliates' arguments, and that he was quitting the blog but leaving it up for reference.

A few days ago, the blog was made private, so every post is gone. Just today, this was posted: http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/attention-all-viewers/



Astonished, I started looking for other venues where people might be discussing this, and found this subreddit focused on Vemma, where a few people were discussing the blog's disappearance: http://www.reddit.com/r/Vemma/comments/2eet51/what_happened_to_ypr_pariah/

People think that he was either threatened with legal action and caved in (unlikely, since he was doing a good job at keeping himself anonymous, and there's nothing that they could do, really), or that they paid him off. I'm inclined to believe the latter, based on the reasoning in this post:



I tried to find archives of the blog's posts, but Wayback Machine and Google's cache don't have anything due to the site's "robots.txt," which has something to do with how webpages are scanned and sorted by the automated web crawlers that search engines use. Pretty floored by what's happened.

That must explain why he didn't respond to me when I asked about using his information. What a shame, he practically had them by the balls.

We still got MLM Skeptic though.

amlmskeptic.blogspot.com

 

[AnchuentProphecy]

This is crazy.

I've been consistently following the blogger listed in the OP, http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/ since this thread was started. The guy has been writing posts rebuking every aspect of Vemma's business model, lambasting their leadership, and dedicating many posts to comparing Vemma to similar pyramid schemes. Recently he was beginning work on an ebook that he was going to sell satirizing the multi-level marketing industry. A couple of weeks ago, he made a post saying that he had said everything that there was to say about Vemma, revealing all the flaws in Vemma affiliates' arguments, and that he was quitting the blog but leaving it up for reference.

A few days ago, the blog was made private, so every post is gone. Just today, this was posted: http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/attention-all-viewers/



Astonished, I started looking for other venues where people might be discussing this, and found this subreddit focused on Vemma, where a few people were discussing the blog's disappearance: http://www.reddit.com/r/Vemma/comments/2eet51/what_happened_to_ypr_pariah/

People think that he was either threatened with legal action and caved in (unlikely, since he was doing a good job at keeping himself anonymous, and there's nothing that they could do, really), or that they paid him off. I'm inclined to believe the latter, based on the reasoning in this post:



I tried to find archives of the blog's posts, but Wayback Machine and Google's cache don't have anything due to the site's "robots.txt," which has something to do with how webpages are scanned and sorted by the automated web crawlers that search engines use. Pretty floored by what's happened.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. From the way it's worded it definetly sounds like he was Payed to close the blog or he was threatened with legal action.

EDIT: News article from Today, compleatly overrunned by shills

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/20...rink-company-targets-students-as-sellers?lite

 

[SU 390]

This is crazy.

I've been consistently following the blogger listed in the OP, http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/ since this thread was started. The guy has been writing posts rebuking every aspect of Vemma's business model, lambasting their leadership, and dedicating many posts to comparing Vemma to similar pyramid schemes. Recently he was beginning work on an ebook that he was going to sell satirizing the multi-level marketing industry. A couple of weeks ago, he made a post saying that he had said everything that there was to say about Vemma, revealing all the flaws in Vemma affiliates' arguments, and that he was quitting the blog but leaving it up for reference.

A few days ago, the blog was made private, so every post is gone. Just today, this was posted: http://yprpariah.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/attention-all-viewers/



Astonished, I started looking for other venues where people might be discussing this, and found this subreddit focused on Vemma, where a few people were discussing the blog's disappearance: http://www.reddit.com/r/Vemma/comments/2eet51/what_happened_to_ypr_pariah/

People think that he was either threatened with legal action and caved in (unlikely, since he was doing a good job at keeping himself anonymous, and there's nothing that they could do, really), or that they paid him off. I'm inclined to believe the latter, based on the reasoning in this post:



I tried to find archives of the blog's posts, but Wayback Machine and Google's cache don't have anything due to the site's "robots.txt," which has something to do with how webpages are scanned and sorted by the automated web crawlers that search engines use. Pretty floored by what's happened.

Saw this earlier. Wow, that's creepy.

 

[GRANDnumberofMULTIPLES]

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard of MLM companies taking down negative press.

Reading about them has always been one of my guilty pleasures. I know of two kinds of people who get sucked in--the just-out-of-highschoolers and the sadsack people. The younger ones often chalk it up to a cheap lesson and go on to get real jobs, but the sadsack adults... they keep holding on to the promises of quintupble black diamond and your very own shiny sports car.

My rage directed at MLMs has only intensified as I've gotten older. I'm not sure what was more aggravating: trying to get a better job but finding listings clogged with It Works! Body Wraps and Herbalife or having to damn near take apart my car door to dig out an MCA flyer someone jammed real deep between the window and the door.

About a year ago, before I left my retail job for good, I was at work pulling down some pants from a visual display. I was working at a rather large department store in a big city and things were just ok. I hated my coworkers and since I had graduated from college I realized how much I had outgrown the work. While I'm balanced on this ladder trying to wrestle these jeans down, this guy starts his spiel. He asks me about my satisfaction and tells me wouldn't it be great if I was my own boss.
Hell, even at 13 I knew that was code for "you will be a tiny brick on the bottom of the pyramid forever."
I rebuff his words and he starts shitting on my work ethic. I've noticed that someone who's trying to make it themselves in an MLM will say everything to promote themselves as "free thinking," "financially secure," and basically everything they aren't.
I told him that no matter my worst week, I knew that I was guaranteed my check. His face immediately twisted and he walked away grumbling that I'd lost out on the best opportunity of my life.

I wish I could convey the desperation this guy had in his voice when he realized I wasn't going to back down. It was almost like a kid whining for something until they realized their parent was not giving in under any circumstance. That kind of voice that tries to insist but just comes out whiny.

And I forgot to mention, it was MCA.

 

[ASoulMan]

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard of MLM companies taking down negative press.

Reading about them has always been one of my guilty pleasures. I know of two kinds of people who get sucked in--the just-out-of-highschoolers and the sadsack people. The younger ones often chalk it up to a cheap lesson and go on to get real jobs, but the sadsack adults... they keep holding on to the promises of quintupble black diamond and your very own shiny sports car.

My rage directed at MLMs has only intensified as I've gotten older. I'm not sure what was more aggravating: trying to get a better job but finding listings clogged with It Works! Body Wraps and Herbalife or having to damn near take apart my car door to dig out an MCA flyer someone jammed real deep between the window and the door.

About a year ago, before I left my retail job for good, I was at work pulling down some pants from a visual display. I was working at a rather large department store in a big city and things were just ok. I hated my coworkers and since I had graduated from college I realized how much I had outgrown the work. While I'm balanced on this ladder trying to wrestle these jeans down, this guy starts his spiel. He asks me about my satisfaction and tells me wouldn't it be great if I was my own boss.
Hell, even at 13 I knew that was code for "you will be a tiny brick on the bottom of the pyramid forever."
I rebuff his words and he starts shitting on my work ethic. I've noticed that someone who's trying to make it themselves in an MLM will say everything to promote themselves as "free thinking," "financially secure," and basically everything they aren't.
I told him that no matter my worst week, I knew that I was guaranteed my check. His face immediately twisted and he walked away grumbling that I'd lost out on the best opportunity of my life.

I wish I could convey the desperation this guy had in his voice when he realized I wasn't going to back down. It was almost like a kid whining for something until they realized their parent was not giving in under any circumstance. That kind of voice that tries to insist but just comes out whiny.

And I forgot to mention, it was MCA.

Oh god, MCA.

I always keep seeing posts on my Facebook about MCA this, and MCA that every now and then, and the comments are always full of idiotic responses by the OP on why it isn't a scam when it obviously is. I've only been in Vemma for 1 month, and the one thing that my uplines always stressed about is that you DO NOT advertise on Facebook because nobody will believe you.

What's even funnier is how a lot of these MLM drones always claim that going to college and having a job is equal to being broke and that "Corporate America is a scheme", yet 70 - 90% of all recruits wind up making less than your typical McDonald's worker. At least in Corporate America, everyone will make some sort of money without being forced to buy product every month.

 

[Super Collie]

I actually use MLM's to help me determine who to delist from my Facebook account. If you post a picture of a stack of CA$H and try telling me about how you/we/us can make infinty zillion space dollars you're on your way to ban town.

Someone at work was trying to use the internal employee mailing list to tell those "It Works!" wrap things. Holy hell, I've never seen someone decommissed so quickly before. I'm pretty sure they got fired. Hope they're making zillions selling saran wrap coated with vegetable oil because if not they are deservedly fucked. I can't even fathom why you'd take up a second job when you've got a good one set in stone much less an MLM and then send out a Reply All to everyone.

 

[Stuff and Things]

A friend of mine just got himself involved on a pyramid scheme from something called "Wake Up Now".

What pisses me off is that a few months ago he was telling me that he needed a job, the only thing i could tell him in order to help him was to be very, very careful of scams and fake jobs, specially because he's on college, he didn't even knew what a pyramid scheme was, but even after explaining him on detail several examples of how to spot one, and telling him that pyramid schemes are really hard to spot even with that information, he fell in one, now he's offering me a super-duper amazing job and telling me the same bullcrap that those people are telling him; that i will do lots of money by doing nothing other than giving my money to unknown people and spamming my friends and the people i know.

I worry about the poor guy because his girlfriend just dumped him after leeching off his money, and because we were really good friends back on high-school, but god damn...

 

[telegramsamo]

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/h/mp3/marykay.mp3

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/h/mp3/AMWAY.MP3

 

[Good Soothing Coffee]

I had a brush with Cutco/Vector back in college. I saw a flier, complete with the tear-off phone numbers and omission of what the job actually was and decided to go to the meeting because a promise of $15/hour was gold to an art student in the late 90s.

So I am sitting in a dingy grey, bland conference room with about 8 other college-age kids at like 8 pm on a Friday (missed that red flag) and in walks the well-dressed, young and hip entrepreneur who is totally like, on our levels dude and going to give us the deets on this kick-ass new job. When our lovely representative mentioned that this amazing product was a knife set, I said "OH! Are these the ones that cut through pennies and pipes and then tomatoes?" and he gave me absolute stink eye for blowing his demo, which he went and did anyway because lord help him if he didn't stick to the program. I wasn't actually trying to steal his thunder, I was sort of thinking out loud, so after that I kept quiet and lost interest, but stayed through it all to be polite. Once he finished, he asked us to stick around to see who among us would be chosen to be one of the elite Cutco junior reps. Wait, this was an interview? I thought it was a casual seminar and a demo. Erm...

I figured he was wasting my time because there was no way he'd hire me, even if I wanted the job, because the friction between us and clash in our personalities was fairly palpable. Lo and behold, when I was called into his office, he gave me a completely bullshit speech about how very few people make the cut and I was one of the top choices to join the team.... The whole time he made no eye contact with me and clenched his jaw, barely could muster enthusiasm. He was a shitty liar even for a Cutco employee, really. Obviously they don't turn anyone away (Chris being an obvious example of this) and they go through all of these stupid lengths to make young, gullible people feel SPESHUL and ONE OF THE ELITE so they can make you buy their starter set. Hell, even I wouldn't have hired me after that mess. I told him thanks but no thanks and he seemed glad enough to shuffle me out of there.

Tl;dr Don't drink the knife flavored Kool-aid.

 

[GRANDnumberofMULTIPLES]

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/h/mp3/AMWAY.MP3

I knew I'd forgotten to add something to my post! I just love imagining the beatific cultlike expressions on everyone's faces at they join around for song time.

I think a lot of MLMs appeal to people because they pump up the work ethic/independent angle. A lot of what I've gathered from watching the conventions is that they make the pathway to success and riches is if you just work hard. And if you don't succeed, then clearly you didn't work hard enough! IT'S SO EASY! Do you want to be a W-4 loser? You just have to WORK HARDER!

 

[A-Stump]

A friend of mine just got himself involved on a pyramid scheme from something called "Wake Up Now".

What pisses me off is that a few months ago he was telling me that he needed a job, the only thing i could tell him in order to help him was to be very, very careful of scams and fake jobs, specially because he's on college, he didn't even knew what a pyramid scheme was, but even after explaining him on detail several examples of how to spot one, and telling him that pyramid schemes are really hard to spot even with that information, he fell in one, now he's offering me a super-duper amazing job and telling me the same bullcrap that those people are telling him; that i will do lots of money by doing nothing other than giving my money to unknown people and spamming my friends and the people i know.

I worry about the poor guy because his girlfriend just dumped him after leeching off his money, and because we were really good friends back on high-school, but god damn...

I'm sorry but if he can't even take two seconds to use Google to figure this out he is a mook and that's sad. Literally the second result of 'wake up now' is 'Is Wake Up Now a scam? I THINK IT IS!' By Ethan Vanderbilt.

Does ANYONE use Google? It's 2014! These scams shouldn't even work anymore!

 

[ASoulMan]

I'm sorry but if he can't even take two seconds to use Google to figure this out he is a mook and that's sad. Literally the second result of 'wake up now' is 'Is Wake Up Now a scam? I THINK IT IS!' By Ethan Vanderbilt.

Does ANYONE use Google? It's 2014! These scams shouldn't even work anymore!

People still fall for them because these MLMs pull in people by overriding all common sense by using flashy promos to draw them in. It's also why they have uplines with flashy cars, houses, and whatnot talk for the people presenting; It's so they can try to convince people that this company can work for them. They also try to cite endorsements by celebrities and other companies as a source of "legitimacy", when the only thing that matters for pyramid schemes is if they're making most of their profit through recruiting rather than actual product sales. People who are naive to the concept of MLM are also more likely to fall for it.

MLMers also use cult tactics like love bombing (ONE OF THE ELITE!), guilt tripping ("So you're content with being a loser all your life?"), sleep deprivation (hence why meetings are always very late at night), and "drowning out negativity" (AKA ignore all who oppose you) to keep people from leaving. Affiliates brainwash new recruits as soon as possible because if they try to look up the company via Google or discuss the company with friends and family before joining, they'll most likely become skeptical and back out. That's why network marketing gets such a bad reputation by many; the majority of its members come off as being pushy, arrogant, and brainwashed. Even MLMers try to distance themselves from that term by calling their companies terms such as Social Affiliate Marketing, Direct Sales, and Seller-Assisted Marketing, because when people hear network marketing or MLM, they immediately think "SCAM", "PYRAMID SCHEME", and Amway.

They say they don't care whether or not you'll join them, but in reality, they do because if you aren't recruited, that's one less person to make money off of. Apparently companies like Vemma are taking action out to seas because it's getting more and more difficult to recruit people in America due to the unstable nature of their business models and the fact that a lot of new recruits are not choosing auto delivery.

 

[Stuff and Things]

I'm sorry but if he can't even take two seconds to use Google to figure this out he is a mook and that's sad. Literally the second result of 'wake up now' is 'Is Wake Up Now a scam? I THINK IT IS!' By Ethan Vanderbilt.

Does ANYONE use Google? It's 2014! These scams shouldn't even work anymore!

This is why i fear that i am near losing a friend... the problem for him was that he was desperate for money, and that blinded his judgement, but he was so proud of himself that he wouldn't accept one of those mediocre jobs that people always offer to college students, with the minimum salary and the long-ass working hours. I told him on a blunt way that that's the only thing he'll be able to get, because those are the only jobs that college students can get here, but still, he kept his standards too high and he fell for that crap...

Also, this is another small factor that can trick persons that don't know jack shit about pyramid schemes: when you look up the name of said "company", you'll see a lot of videos about the legitimacy of that "company" with titles like "GENERIC company, scam or legit?" and all of them always "analize" whether the "company" is a scam or not, and, unsurprisingly, a lot of them conclude that it's not a scam.

Now, for a lot of people it's hard to understand that a legitimate company doesn't goes around claiming that IT'S NOT A SCAM, they just do their job and let their actions speak for themselves, if they have dozens of people defending those "companies" of scam accusations, it's because it's clear that something is wrong. Just like a straight person doesn't goes around saying how he or she IS NOT GAY, well, if you're not gay, why do you feel the need of telling that to the world? sadly, not a lot of people understand that, yes, even on 2014...

God damn.

 

[Ouija Board]

Sorry to necro this thread but I have something to share and I need advice. If the mods feel this inappropriate they can lock this or something.

How many of you have heard of the Green Dot Money Scam?

Basically they call you up and tell you that you have a debt to pay or they'll tell you that you have to pay a speeding ticket or some bullshit like that. They'll also tell you that you won money but in order to get that money you have to get a Green Dot MoneyPak card, load it up with cash and then give them the number of the card.

I have been targeted by these assholes so let me tell you what happened:

I got a mysterious call last month or so from a guy in Jamaica saying that I won $2.5 million dollars. Nice huh? But then he told me that I had to go to Wal-Mart or CVS and get one of these cards and put $500 on it and then he said that someone would call me back, for those that know me here know that I am on disability and I don't have that amount of money laying around; I wish I did but even then I would spend it on something else that's worthy. He gave me a number and a password that they would tell me. So of course, after hanging up on him I had a gut feeling that I needed to check with Wal-Mart and verify this, so I did. The lady I talked to told me that the Green Dot MoneyPak cards are cards used by people who don't have a credit or debit card and that it is an in store card that is used. She also told me that Green Dot doesn't give anything out, like ever. So I said that I would call the Green Dot corporate office and make them aware that this scam is going on (This is before I checked out on the Internet.) So I did and the representative told me that it was a scam and she also checked to make sure that my identity wasn't being used for these cards. Fortunately no has used my identity.

So the next day, the Jamaican dude called me back. I told him that I have done my researched, talked to Wal-Mart and the Green Dot corporate and that they have said that they don't give out anything and that I knew now that it was a scam and please don't call me back.

He proceeds to call me three fucking times in a row after that and I just hung up on him. I called my phone carrier to ask how the hell I could block this number and they told me about an app that I can use however, I would be charged a dollar for using it. So I proceeded to use the app and blocked this asshole's number and he still was fucking calling me! The app counted 8 times that he was blocked. Then here's the ingenious thing, he somehow circumvented that and used an unknown identifier and I answered it. I told him to not call me back again and hung up on him. The blocking app had an option to block unknown numbers but that also blocks some of my family members that are unlisted, so I had to undo that option.

Now tonight I got a call from another number in Jamaica and I know that it is him and I will probably be blocking that number as well but I am so tempted to download a recording app so I can record him. I don't know the legality of that though and I am not sure but this guy isn't taking the hint and leaving me alone and quite frankly I don't know what to do. After the few times he called me I put myself on the Do Not Call List so I don't know if there's any recourse in that. This is getting to the point that I feel like I am getting harassed (he hasn't said anything that is harassing but he keeps fucking calling me after I had told him twice not to call me back.) and also he calls me at the oddest times, like a couple times he called around midnight (I shut my phone off when I am sleeping so that I don't get bothered.) and tonight around 8:34pm and has called me twice as my phone shows that I received two calls. I was using the bathroom at the time and didn't answer but saw it on my call log.

Honestly, I don't know what to do so I am wondering if anyone else has gotten this same kind of experience or know of a way to get rid of this guy because he is persistent as hell.

tl;dr: Some guy from Jamaica is calling me trying to get me to put cash on a Green Dot MoneyPak card in order to get the phantom $2.5 mil that I "won." After telling him not to call me back, he does, constantly and I am at the point I don't know what to do.

 

[ASoulMan]

Sorry to necro this thread but I have something to share and I need advice. If the mods feel this inappropriate they can lock this or something.

How many of you have heard of the Green Dot Money Scam?

Basically they call you up and tell you that you have a debt to pay or they'll tell you that you have to pay a speeding ticket or some bullshit like that. They'll also tell you that you won money but in order to get that money you have to get a Green Dot MoneyPak card, load it up with cash and then give them the number of the card.

I have been targeted by these assholes so let me tell you what happened:

I got a mysterious call last month or so from a guy in Jamaica saying that I won $2.5 million dollars. Nice huh? But then he told me that I had to go to Wal-Mart or CVS and get one of these cards and put $500 on it and then he said that someone would call me back, for those that know me here know that I am on disability and I don't have that amount of money laying around; I wish I did but even then I would spend it on something else that's worthy. He gave me a number and a password that they would tell me. So of course, after hanging up on him I had a gut feeling that I needed to check with Wal-Mart and verify this, so I did. The lady I talked to told me that the Green Dot MoneyPak cards are cards used by people who don't have a credit or debit card and that it is an in store card that is used. She also told me that Green Dot doesn't give anything out, like ever. So I said that I would call the Green Dot corporate office and make them aware that this scam is going on (This is before I checked out on the Internet.) So I did and the representative told me that it was a scam and she also checked to make sure that my identity wasn't being used for these cards. Fortunately no has used my identity.

So the next day, the Jamaican dude called me back. I told him that I have done my researched, talked to Wal-Mart and the Green Dot corporate and that they have said that they don't give out anything and that I knew now that it was a scam and please don't call me back.

He proceeds to call me three fucking times in a row after that and I just hung up on him. I called my phone carrier to ask how the hell I could block this number and they told me about an app that I can use however, I would be charged a dollar for using it. So I proceeded to use the app and blocked this asshole's number and he still was fucking calling me! The app counted 8 times that he was blocked. Then here's the ingenious thing, he somehow circumvented that and used an unknown identifier and I answered it. I told him to not call me back again and hung up on him. The blocking app had an option to block unknown numbers but that also blocks some of my family members that are unlisted, so I had to undo that option.

Now tonight I got a call from another number in Jamaica and I know that it is him and I will probably be blocking that number as well but I am so tempted to download a recording app so I can record him. I don't know the legality of that though and I am not sure but this guy isn't taking the hint and leaving me alone and quite frankly I don't know what to do. After the few times he called me I put myself on the Do Not Call List so I don't know if there's any recourse in that. This is getting to the point that I feel like I am getting harassed (he hasn't said anything that is harassing but he keeps fucking calling me after I had told him twice not to call me back.) and also he calls me at the oddest times, like a couple times he called around midnight (I shut my phone off when I am sleeping so that I don't get bothered.) and tonight around 8:34pm and has called me twice as my phone shows that I received two calls. I was using the bathroom at the time and didn't answer but saw it on my call log.

Honestly, I don't know what to do so I am wondering if anyone else has gotten this same kind of experience or know of a way to get rid of this guy because he is persistent as hell.

tl;dr: Some guy from Jamaica is calling me trying to get me to put cash on a Green Dot MoneyPak card in order to get the phantom $2.5 mil that I "won." After telling him not to call me back, he does, constantly and I am at the point I don't know what to do.

That guy is thirsty as hell.

Have you ever considered changing your number?

 

[Ouija Board]

That guy is thirsty as hell.

Have you ever considered changing your number?

Yeah I have considered that but it would be a pain in the ass having to update everyone with the new number and I am not sure if my carrier will charge me for it or not.

Like I said, I want to record him but I am not sure if that is legal or not. I was thinking of downloading a recording app.

 

[ASoulMan]

Yeah I have considered that but it would be a pain in the ass having to update everyone with the new number and I am not sure if my carrier will charge me for it or not.

Like I said, I want to record him but I am not sure if that is legal or not. I was thinking of downloading a recording app.

Does anyone else besides you know about this?

As for recording apps, my advice would be to try to find out about the legality of doing so. Either look it up or find someone you know that knows about this stuff.

I apologize if this doesn't help you out very much. I never heard about this until now.

 

[Beef Thunderpants]

Yeah I have considered that but it would be a pain in the ass having to update everyone with the new number and I am not sure if my carrier will charge me for it or not.

Like I said, I want to record him but I am not sure if that is legal or not. I was thinking of downloading a recording app.

I'm pretty sure recording your own phone conversations is legal most, if not all, places. At most you tell him you're recording him from the start, then it's all on him.

 

[Arkangel]

I recently had a run in on my Facebook about people advertising obvious scams. One of them being a distant family member.

Basically, she was an "independent sales rep" for a company called ACN (A company that resells services from AT&T, Verizon, ETC at noncompetitive prices), basically, she posted a link to her independent website telling people that if they signed up for ACN services they would get a free $300 dollar gift card or something. I personally have zero tolerance for people forwarding scams on Facebook and so I made a comment explaining how this service was a scam and that she should get herself out of it. My comment got deleted and she sent me a private message telling me not to do that because it's apparently how she supports herself. She claimed that she's been doing it for over a year and supposedly weighed the pros and cons of doing it, which indicates to me that if this work has actually helped her sustain her income, then she must be high up enough in the pyramid because everyone at the bottom almost always gets chewed up and spit out by these sorts of systems. I even told her that the top Google results for ACN associate it with being a scam (Veema and Amway came up in the results) and she brushed them off in an almost cultish fashion.

I don't know... maybe the work does help get her by, or maybe she's just too "brainwashed" by the false prospect of easy money. It's hard to tell.