Pyramid Scheme Pariahs

That and the fact their slogan seems to be "HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT CRAZY WRAP THING?!"
It's literally just plastic wrap. Plastic wrap that you can buy at the Dollar Tree for a dollar. (I can't remember if it's colored, so if it's a colored plastic wrap, then get your ass to Walmart and buy one of the color ones for like $3. Still way cheaper.)

The ItWorks! scheme also has "The Greens" that you have to buy separately and use with the wrap. It's some kind of drink mix thing I think. I've never actually SEEN it, but It's been pushed by some of the ItWorks! people I've come across.
 
A lot of Olympians go broke, unfortunately, for the same reasons pro Athletes do, the sudden influx of wealth if they are successful can come and go fast before you even realize what happened. A lot of medals show up on eBay and at auction houses, so many that I think the IOC tried to do something about it for the bad publicity it was bringing.

Apparently Debi was doing ok a few years ago until her divorce, and then she totally went kookoo. She moved to the middle of nowhere, Virginia to open a doctors office, and of course it went bankrupt. I went on her facebook, hoping she's changed after the publicity from that WaPo article last year, but no, she's still shilling that gold crap. Totally ignoring people who are trying to help her.
 
A few people I went to high school with are doing that MLM shit.

One is a really nice person and actually works with my mom. However, she's obese as hell and used to sell the It Works! shit. She hasn't lately, so I think she's learned her lesson.

One used to be overweight and joined Shakeology. She's in pretty good shape now, but still never shuts up about Shakeology.

One used to be overweight, is still a bit chunky but less overweight, and also never shuts up about Shakeology.

Both of the Shakeology people post their stupid wussy workouts of doing shit like jumping jacks and situps.
 
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The worst thing I saw is from a high school classmate who is selling Thrive. On one of her social media posts, someone said that she uses that junk while on chemo! If there is ever a time when you need to be eating the best possible food for your body and watching like a hawk what goes into you, now would be that time but no she's on Thrive and is getting asspats from my high school classmate for doing it! I unfollowed. :(
 
I couldn't get my screen cap to work on her post. Wonky css, maybe.

Having issues with it myself. Copied the text of the post though.

LuLaRoe: It's Time To Sit Down
July 18, 2017

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MommyGyver

Hi there. It's me again. You know, the writer your son refers to as BooBoo...?
He's a cute one, BTW. Too bad he's scared shitless to be cut off of his mama's teat again for fucking up. Because isn't that what you do? You... nurturer, you.

Sit down, shut the fuck up. Now you get to listen to me. I spend countless hours of my life reading and listening to the cultish, brainless, RIDICULOUS, and mindless diatribe that spews from your cockholster. No one is buying it anymore, but we've all heard you. Time for you to listen to us, tootsie, and I speak for tens of thousands of us.

I've also spoken to several members of your family. You know you're fucking loopy when Mormons chuckle about how Mormons think you're too culty even for them. (Great sense of humor about it at least... your family is quite nice!) They say that you act (and say) you're on God's mission.
God's mission for what, exactly? Is it God's mission to impoverish 98% of the women that pay $5,000 and up to join your "buttery soft" cult? Is it God's mission to belittle and berate these women into submission so much that when they smarten up enough to defect from your regime, they are shells if anything, of their former selves?

I have watched as you, apparently stoned off your fluffy ass, swiveled and giggled in an office chair like a secretarial floozy. I've watched you tell people that you love them over and over and over again. Do you even know what love is? I've also heard you threaten people. I've been told about your little angry outbursts in the office. The Sunday dinners that were designed to discuss others in the family that were "concerning", aka... stood up to you. Is this leggings, or a third world country? I wasn't aware you could order people to drop everything... "Aunt Deanne".

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This modesty you preach... is that the modesty that your family told me about as you became Mark's mistress after you met him in the last MLM you participated in? Before you supposedly swiped LuLaRoe from your (much younger looking and much more agreeable) twin sister, Dianne? Don't you preach about family preservation? And yet you were preserving what, when you were fucking a married man in his house that he owned with his wife no less? Tummy tuck surgery, and a bit of time as his guest with his wife right there... is that how it went? That's how it was told to me.

Mark- how is the relationship with your daughters these days, anyway? Do you often give people advice about fathering daughters? Did they forgive you for being absent in their lives? Kind of hypocritical, no?

So pull up your favorite swivel chairs, Mr. and Mrs. Stidham... I'm going to spell this out for you- REAL simple-like, so you can digest it while you assume and insist upon your own ignorance until you pass out. Y'all must be REALLY ignorant.

Let's talk about how you approach heavier members of your leadership and offer up bypass surgery to them in Mexico. How you, on more than one occasion, Deanne- have made women who practically worshipped you cry- for basically calling them fat and ugly. Deanne- YOU are not thin. YOU are not beautiful. You have no right. No right at all to approach people like that. You are hurtful and disgusting.

Let's talk about the girl that worked in home office. Sandy? Brandy, was it? A lovely black woman that any consultant from her era would have chimed in- "OMGGGG I LOOOOOOOVE her!"
Was she singled out for being heavy, Deanne? Was she treated poorly because she was fat AND black? Witnesses seem to think so. People IN YOUR HOME OFFICE seem to remember it that way. And again, I ask you- What right do you have?

You make clothes that inadvertently give the extremely underserved and ignored heavier female population something to love. Something that makes them feel good- and you're hocking bypass surgeries and firing the chubbies because they can't rock a pair of leggings how you'd want them to? I know you didn't design this clothing for those women, but you don't reprimand the fat shaming consultants that chide the women who paid for your jet, your cars, and your neat "little" mansion in Wyoming... Fat girls bought that shit for you. I was one of them. Say thank you!

Mean girls. Mean girls everywhere. Your NASTY Katie Mooney compares disliking your ridiculously poor quality clothing to being a member of a white supremacist group, and you reward her with flowers and fruit? Did you pay for Katie's bypass too? Is that why she's so vicious for you? Or is it because she's afraid of you? Because you snap at people? Or afraid of losing the income that pays for the house and Tesla she so freely publishes anywhere she can, then cries that people judge her.
Paid to lead, then snaps at people for not respecting her time. Entitlement. God you guys are ugly inside.



I was ON the coach call when you told your coaches that if they quoted you berating someone on that call, that you wouldn't sign their paychecks. Deny it. I'll bet there's a recording somewhere.

You take and take and take THOUSANDS of dollars from these women, you promise them freedom. You do nothing but shackle them to the debt and tell them they are at fault if they fail. The designs are disgusting 70% of the time yet you maintain that it all sells. If it all sells, why can't YOU sell it all? Why are you putting Americana into the normal shipments now? Why are you sending back returned inventory to consultants after you promised you wouldn't?

But then you want more. BUY MORE TO SELL MORE, she chants... and all the little followers chime in... worried for their 30 and 40 thousand dollar AND UP monthly paychecks, they put their better judgement on the side. They shush their souls telling them that it's all wrong- in the name of maintaining what they have built for themselves- watered with the sweat from the downlines' backs and the tears from those wishing to just get their refunds and be done with this horror story. You should be so fucking proud of your legacy...

An empire of lies, built to provide just one happy ending. Yours.

Deanne, honey- you are NOT getting your happy ending if I have anything to say about it. And believe me- I have a LOT to say. Your attorneys want the countless interviews I've done? Former and current employees, consultants, coaches, mentors, your family... if they bring it into court- it ALL comes into court. ALL of it. And I have the story you aren't telling people.
I have the story they whisper about illegitimate children and payoffs. Husbands thinking spawn from YOUR family knocking up consultants are THEIR babies. The whispers about drugs and sex... yet you preach conservative views. The half naked sax player at Justin's birthday party was conservative, how?
What about the mentor that is reported to be a pharmacist writing prescriptions for you all? Rumors of other physicians on a payroll for drugs. I have their names. Do you want them?

Before you begin to threaten me with libel, or threaten me with anything at all, you'd best know I don't bluff.


You built an empire of shit- and I'm holding the shovel. Dare I start to unload?

I'm tired, Deanne. I'm tired of the emails from the beaten down, the suicidal, the heartbroken, the terrified. The woman who lost everything and is living in her car- because of YOU.
IN.HER.CAR. She and her BABIES are living in a car because of you and your lies, you piece of trailer trash. You're rattling off on some drunken rant about nannies and housekeepers and Jimmy Choos while this woman, and how many others- lose everything after they went ALL IN with you. They could only dream of keeping the power on and you boast about shoes that could pay the power bill for 6 months. Humility much? Thankfulness anywhere?

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How DARE YOU allow your leadership to put out messages to these women, speaking to them as if they are lower than dirt. If they are cattle to be herded in this direction or that- to do whatever your whim is at that moment. How dare you allow these women to be threatened. Threatened that if they should dare wear leggings that YOU CREATE to a company event- they may be publicly humiliated on stage in front of thousands of their peers?

Charise looks like she wrestled with a haunted tent and was consumed- in 80% of her photos, but she dare tell people they will be JUDGED ON STAGE?

A stage, no less, in a convention you can't give away tickets to.

"LuLaRoe is falling down, falling down, falling down... be humble, lady!" My new song. You would be served well to sing it to yourself.

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What if someone humiliated you? Took all of it- the REAL story... and shared it with the world. Recorded interviews, testimonials, about who the REAL person is behind 47 pounds of eye makeup. How your self proclaimed culture tells people that they are stale. Lazy. Your company can't deliver refunds that people are promised. Leadership checks are owed. Checks are BOUNCING. But they are to blame?
And you, perched like a golden tart in her throne of bullshit, look down as if you're a character fighting for a kingdom in an HBO T.V. series.

Well, winter has come, bitch. It's here.

Start paying these people their money. Retract the condescension to the women that PAID TO KEEP YOUR PADDED ASS FED. Apologize to the thousands of people you have hurt- admit you were wrong, and then GO AWAY.

Because I promise you, I will be your personal poltergeist, lady. I will make it my full time job to get you a one-way ticket to prison. Real prison. Not white collar Martha Stewart is your cellmate prison. The kind where your fucking mail is screened and the only layers you have are jumpsuit and sports bra. What THE FUCK will you do without all 762 pieces of a LuLaRoe ensemble?

Your people have made threats that they would sue me. They have said I better watch myself. I was told that I don't know who I'm messing with. Well now the world knows that your camp has threatened me, so play nice.

You are not the golden one. You're a crook. Slowly but surely, all of what's left of your "legacy" is trickling outward. And then the cheese (or cheesy, as it were) stands alone...

Many months ago, I predicted this new change in structure for bonus payments. I predicted it as the reactive company's realization that they were breaking the law. I also said that as soon as those first checks hit and people used to making tens of thousands of dollars a month were only making an average salary- when their million dollar lifestyle begins to crumble to help you keep up your billion dollar facade- how many will leave? They are leaving you, Deanne. It's too little too late. They are leaving you, and the government will come.

And when your followers have all gone, and the government has come for you, then what? Where will you go? What will you do? There's only two ways to wear stripes, doll.

You once said- (and this was on one of the first conference calls I heard after I onboarded, and was not impressed one bit) "More money buys better friends".
Look around you, Deanne. They are my friends too. I don't have any money to give them. Money does not buy better friends. THE TRUTH DOES and it's catching you up, meanwhile I'm making some pretty powerful friends. Thanks!

Your family and your leaders are coming to ME. Crying about the mistreatment, about the abuse. The scandal. Ooooh... scandal. Don't we Americans love that?

I don't think you have the money these people are expecting. The money they were promised. If you had it, why would you allow this type of damage to be done to your precious brand? I guarantee it is diminishing in value by the moment.
Do you have their money, oh leader of a billion dollar empire?

Sit down, grab a pen, and sign a check. SIGN THEIR FUCKING CHECKS. Pay these people. My friends, strangers, and women who BLED FOR YOU. Pay them now.

While you're there, write them all an apology- because you should TRULY be ashamed.

**EDITED TO ADD A MESSAGE TO THE CONSULTANTS LEAVING, LEFT, THINKING ABOUT IT- AND ESPECIALLY TO THOSE STAYING***

YOU own you. No one else. If you value yourself at all, listen to me. You do NOT need to be talked to this way. You do not need to be threatened and belittled. ON a stage??? A convention center filled with your friends and peers??? How dare they remove your worth so far that they would have this freak deliver a message like this.

This is a fucking circus act being run by a sideshow full of clowns. These people do not define you. I don't care if we have crossed paths negatively on this journey- YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN THIS. If you need a friend to tell you this, reach out to me. For that, I will be your friend. Even you, KKKatie.

Get your morals back! You do not berate other women, oppress them, belittle them- just to build yourself up! Don't fall into it! Stand up!!! You are not alone!!!

As Alex said best- "Do you, booboo." Don't let anyone tell you how to do you- EXCEPT you.
 
It’s almost worthy of its own thread due to salt content but it’s directly related to MLMs - FB “raffles.” All the MLM suckers get into FB groups for “raffles.” But these are MLM raffles where if you lose you have to buy scam product from the “winner.” It’s a desperate measure for women trying to meet their MLM sales quotas.

Thing is that all kinds of them enter the raffles then don’t follow through on ordering xxx MLM product when they lose and the ensuing shit fits is insane. I only know about this because I was on a local “bad apples” FB about people who did shady shit on local sales. I basically just watched the page to see white trash bitching out local drug addicts for selling stolen phones or bags of dirty clothes via FB yard sale pages.

The posts on the page were only a few a month but then suddenly lots of posts started appearing about “raffles,” even stranger these posts were about people who didn’t live anywhere near my state. Curiosity leads me to investigate. When these women get pissed about not getting the MLM product ordered they go to every FB “bad apples” type community page about reporting bad vendors/sales and post crazy drama sperging about non-paying raffle ppl. Literally the same crazy post on 60 different FB pages, anywhere that allows public posts to smear the hell out of these women who “lost” their raffles. The page I watched exploded with these posts. There would be four or five posts about non-buying raffle losers a day. The page should have been renamed desperate MLM housewives.

They can’t report it to FB because these raffles are totally against the TOS and done in private groups to skirt the rules and try and hide the fact these “successful sales consultants” are forced to use such methods to move product. So the only recourse left to the winners or raffle admins is throwing shit fits on FB. (They apparently did the same thing on Pinterest until it got so out of hand they started banning ppl on site for raffle activity, so it moved to FB)

But the salt, my god you would think these women had murdered their families not just refused to buy $20 worth of Younique or LuLaRoe garbage.
 
It’s almost worthy of its own thread due to salt content but it’s directly related to MLMs - FB “raffles.” All the MLM suckers get into FB groups for “raffles.” But these are MLM raffles where if you lose you have to buy scam product from the “winner.” It’s a desperate measure for women trying to meet their MLM sales quotas.

Thing is that all kinds of them enter the raffles then don’t follow through on ordering xxx MLM product when they lose and the ensuing shit fits is insane. I only know about this because I was on a local “bad apples” FB about people who did shady shit on local sales. I basically just watched the page to see white trash bitching out local drug addicts for selling stolen phones or bags of dirty clothes via FB yard sale pages.

The posts on the page were only a few a month but then suddenly lots of posts started appearing about “raffles,” even stranger these posts were about people who didn’t live anywhere near my state. Curiosity leads me to investigate. When these women get pissed about not getting the MLM product ordered they go to every FB “bad apples” type community page about reporting bad vendors/sales and post crazy drama sperging about non-paying raffle ppl. Literally the same crazy post on 60 different FB pages, anywhere that allows public posts to smear the hell out of these women who “lost” their raffles. The page I watched exploded with these posts. There would be four or five posts about non-buying raffle losers a day. The page should have been renamed desperate MLM housewives.

They can’t report it to FB because these raffles are totally against the TOS and done in private groups to skirt the rules and try and hide the fact these “successful sales consultants” are forced to use such methods to move product. So the only recourse left to the winners or raffle admins is throwing shit fits on FB. (They apparently did the same thing on Pinterest until it got so out of hand they started banning ppl on site for raffle activity, so it moved to FB)

But the salt, my god you would think these women had murdered their families not just refused to buy $20 worth of Younique or LuLaRoe garbage.
There’s something about LuLaRoe that seems to attract a very adamant breed of stupid.
 
There’s something about LuLaRoe that seems to attract a very adamant breed of stupid.

Well it seems to be marketed as “sassy” (ie igly patterns) modest clothing for big women/moms, so a huge part of the niche has to be overweight fundie housewives who married young, have too many kids and need money - that’s like alchemy for unadulterated stupidity & drama.
 
I hope we can resurrect this thread because I love talking about this shit from both a business and drama perspective. People underestimate the burning dumpster fire potential of corporate drama.

There have been some fun updates on the Lularoe [LLR] front. I think LLR huns are less insufferable than those who sell diet/"deep cleanse"/health/wellness bs, but LLR corporate is probably stupider than other MLM corporates. Mostly because they almost exclusively hire their opium-pill-addicted, inbred, Mormon dumbass relatives for important corporate positions instead of qualified people with actual BBA or MBA degrees.

Sales Tax Fuckery
They finally got busted for having a shitty payment system ("Aubrey") that incorrectly charged sales tax. For international farmers: the United States has different rates of sales tax from area to area. It does get pretty convoluted. State X could have a 5% sales tax, County Y could have a 2% sales tax, and city Z could have a 3% sales tax for a total of 10% sales tax on a transaction. It's important to have your shit together because it does get complicated. Some states like Oregon don't even have a sales tax and instead have a higher income tax to make up for it. So say Dumbass A in Oregon bought a hideous "Randy" from Dumbass B in California. California has a sales tax. A non-incompetent company would run the sale through with no sales tax because sales tax is determined by where the product is going to and not where it's from. But LLR charged the Oregon resident California sales tax. When people brought this to their attention, LLR argued that they weren't doing it wrong but that every other company was doing it wrong. Nothing against opium addicts personally, but coke heads make better business executives. Also, many states like Pennsylvania and Minnesota don't charge sales tax on non-luxury clothing. LLR goes sued/charged in multiple jurisdictions, kek. How the fuck does this fucking happen from a multi-million dollar company?

Ye Olde Pyramid Scheme Lawsuit
Washington state sued them for being a pyramid scheme. They had to pay a pathetically small fine of $4.75 million. The fine line MLMs have to skirt in the US is bonuses have to come from products sold/purchased and not people recruited. That's the difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme in the US. Guess what LLR did for years? Oops.

Copyright infringement shenanigans!
One of the "positives" about LLR is only a few thousand copies are made of each print in each style of garment. It's supposed to make things more special. People call the highly sought-after prints "unicorns," Sometimes, people go to great lengths to find those unicorns and are willing to pay significantly above MSRP. Unicorn prints are rare, and most of LLR's shit is fugly nonsense that assaults your corneas. This is because the design team has to crank out a huge amount of patterns every day. They're underpaid, overworked, and frequently skipped lunch breaks to try and meet production goals. Ipso facto, they produce a lot of shit. It was also discovered that they steal copyrighted art to save time. LLR got sued. Multiple times. One stolen image had a watermark on it. LLR never removed the watermark, kek.
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Not Paying Suppliers, Vendors, & Shipping Carriers
LLR, like many clothing retailers, has disavowed vertical integration (companies owning their own factories) and opted to contract that shit out. Normally, this works okay as long as companies pay their bills and the suppliers deliver products on time and without quality control issues. Normally. Guess who didn't pay for their shit? Aren't Mormons supposed to be more ethical and wholesome than the rest of us heathens? Yeah, so LLR got a shit ton of product delivered and kept telling their main supplier that the money was coming. The supplier sued them for $49 million. LLR said, "Lolz. We broke. Sorry." The supplier accused them of hiding assets in shell companies, some of the offshore. That shit is supposed to be reported to the IRS can tax your shit. They also owe UPS $1 million and other vendors at least $3.1 million, probably more since the data was released years ago.

Mormon Weirdness, Weight Loss Surgery, & "I'm just here for the drugz"
Mormons are weird about a lot of things. Many of their pet peeves are things that create happiness, like alcohol or coffee. The LLR founders do not like booze or caffeine. They've shamed people for consuming both. But pills are fine! Deanne, a cofounder, does give off buzzed vibes. Former consultants have reported being offered "pick me ups." The company would take top-performing sellers on special trips to Guatemala, and the main attraction was "La Pharmacia!!" "An adult candy shop" is how it was described because of Guatemala's lax controlled substances. Also, the company preferred mentors and coaches (highest levels of the pyramid) to be a size small or medium. They'd pressure people who weren't S/M to join a Facebook group called the "Tijuanian Skinnies" which prepared and helped plan gastric sleeve surgeries in Mexico. A family member of the founders organized everything and reportedly got a kickback for funneling "rich Americans" to the Mexican clinic. Also, they encouraged the spouses of LLR sellers to quit their jobs so they could roe as a family. There are some cringe corporate videos about it.

Deanne talking about her weight loss surgery:

Thousand-yard stare
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Deanne driving + live streaming high:

Fun LLR drama documentaries:


Might post more about LLR drama. I also have some great hun shit.
 
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