Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Flexo]

Ya know what sucks about that? Rumor is that Crowe is the one who insisted on a more generic film, because he thought the original version was too boring and not enough of a star vehicle for him. No idea if that's true, but it would hardly be the first time an idiot actor fucked up a film behind the scenes.

I heard that rumor too. Of course I said I would be hiring him for his acting, not his movie making skills. I mean wasn't he the cop in Les Mis?

(Though it does bug me when some actors get it into their heads that they always have to be one thing when another role is more suitable.)

 

[Antipathy]

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

Maybe The Rebirth of the Jedi? Rebirth of the Force? I'm hesitant to use either of those, given that Jedi and Force are both used previously in said trilogy.

STAR WARS: REMOVAL OF THE FANBASE
COMING SOON TO A FEW DESPERATE THEATERS FAR AWAY.

 

[Mola Ram]

I heard that rumor too. Of course I said I would be hiring him for his acting, not his movie making skills. I mean wasn't he the cop in Les Mis?

(Though it does bug me when some actors get it into their heads that they always have to be one thing when another role is more suitable.)

A lot of times when you get a megastar they end up having more pull than the guy behind the camera. In this case, I'd guess Ridley Scott is just as much to blame as Crowe, but who knows? I'm reminded of Judge Dredd, where the director was basically a complete newbie of even less stature than Rian Johnson, and wound up getting completely overridden by Stallone, which is why it's a dumbass comedy and why Dredd spends most of the movie with his helmet off.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

A lot of times when you get a megastar they end up having more pull than the guy behind the camera. In this case, I'd guess Ridley Scott is just as much to blame as Crowe, but who knows? I'm reminded of Judge Dredd, where the director was basically a complete newbie of even less stature than Rian Johnson, and wound up getting completely overridden by Stallone, which is why it's a dumbass comedy and why Dredd spends most of the movie with his helmet off.

That really depends... if the filmmaker insisted on hiring Rob Schneider, the movie was doomed either way.

 

[BScCollateral]

I may give it a chance to prove me wrong but for me the murder mystery is way more engaging. That could also just be that by this point so many books seem stuffed with philosophical digressions I just find their mixing in with fiction tiresome (if I want philosophy, I'll ready a philosophy book).

Fair enough; I'm not one to consume media with a pinkie extended.

 

[Flexo]

Fair enough; I'm not one to consume media with a pinkie extended.

Well you're going to be super jealous when I get my pinky installed.

 

[CWCissey]

Star Wars: A Survival Saga
Star Wars: Protection Of Order
Star Wars: Force Under Kylo

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

What I don't get is how the writers limit themselves to this shit willingly, don't they realize that without a believable, juggernaught-like villain, the heroes do not shine when they overcome their nemesis?

That was the one good thing about the OT; the Empire and its principles were quite the bad-ass villains. Sure, the Rebels destroyed Death Star I in A New Hope, but the Empire came after the something fierce. Worse, Empire Strikes Back shows the rebels as pretty much homeless and fleeing for survival once the empire finds and attacks their hideout on Hoth.

From what I remember, and what other kiwis have discussed, the old EU immediately following the events of Return of the Jedi had the Empire fragmented after Palpatine's death and the destruction of Death Star II, but there were still systems that knew nothing of these events and continued under Imperial control as if nothing happened whereas other moffs heard of the news and doubled down on their oppression, eager to make a name for themselves.

Now, we get villains that are so incompetent in the new movies that comic relief would be an upgrade for them.

Do we have a betting pool for the title of IX?
My money's on something stupid like "Rey to the Rescue".

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

How about Star Wars Episode IX: Relinquishment of the Force

Synopsis: As the Rebel Alliance fights for mere survival and the First Order works to crush the Rebels once and for all, Rey and Kylo Ren meet for one last duel. As both give each other a simultaneous death blow, the Force suddenly goes dormant - plunging the galaxy into further, endless chaos.

 

[Kyria the Great]

How about Star Wars Episode IX: Relinquishment of the Force

Synopsis: As the Rebel Alliance fights for mere survival and the First Order works to crush the Rebels once and for all, Rey and Kylo Ren meet for one last duel. As both give each other a simultaneous death blow, the Force suddenly goes dormant - plunging the galaxy into further, endless chaos.

At least if would make me feel something other than the director had utter contempt for me, so a welcomed improvement.

 

[Creep3r]

Now, we get villains that are so incompetent in the new movies that comic relief would be an upgrade for them.

I think the guy who plays Hux said in an interview that he hopes his character becomes more comedic. It really is a sad state of affairs when even the actors realize this.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I think the guy who plays Hux said in an interview that he hopes his character becomes more comedic. It really is a sad state of affairs when even the actors realize this.

I wish I could rate that informafeel.

One would think that if Wookiepedia was correct in that Hux wanted to rule the Galaxy ruthlessly, we'd see him being quite the badass general worthy of his rank. Instead, he becomes quite the joke of a villainous character and has to clean up after Kylo Ren's temper tantrums. To see you say Domhnall Gleeson may actually want his character to be more comedic really says a lot for how awful this new trilogy truly is.

It's also unfortunate because I thought Hux could have been this era's Tarkin with the right development and portrayal. Now, we may have to settle for Hux the First Order Court Jester.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I wish I could rate that informafeel.

One would think that if Wookiepedia was correct in that Hux wanted to rule the Galaxy ruthlessly, we'd see him being quite the badass general worthy of his rank. Instead, he becomes quite the joke of a villainous character and has to clean up after Kylo Ren's temper tantrums. To see you say Domhnall Gleeson may actually want his character to be more comedic really says a lot for how awful this new trilogy truly is.

It's also unfortunate because I thought Hux could have been this era's Tarkin with the right development and portrayal. Now, we may have to settle for Hux the First Order Court Jester.

Funny thing is, many pages back Gleeson got mad at Rian for making Hux pathetic so he’s probably asking to be more comedic cuz he knows this is a shitshow

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Funny thing is, many pages back Gleeson got mad at Rian for making Hux pathetic so he’s probably asking to be more comedic cuz he knows this is a shitshow

Wouldn't shock me. I saw a similar theory about Angelina Jolie in Oliver Stone's Alexander: "It's like she knows the movie is a turkey and wants to carve it up to her satisfaction."

If they'd known they were making a sequel at the outset, I doubt they'd have wasted Peter Cushing the way they did in ANH. For all that TFA was a remake of ANH, it did at least leave that door open to explore villain dynamics (humanizing the stormtroopers a bit, creating a comic relief villain in Phasma) in a way that the original didn't.

...then Rian Johnson happened, and this is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Creep3r]

Well... Kathleen Kennedy won an oscar... Oscars really are worth shit now.

To see you say Domhnall Gleeson may actually want his character to be more comedic really says a lot for how awful this new trilogy truly is.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-hux-comedy-domhnall-gleeson/

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Are any of the Disney era SW novels any good? I read Wendig's first book (and wish I hadn't), and am currently flipping between the Ahsokha Tano novel and the Phasma novel. Neither of those are terrible, but I'm also not really in a place where I'd recommend either. Bizarrely, Phasma is a character in titular novel by reference only, at least so far. And the Tano book seems to be not just YA but YA for twelve year olds. Neither is awful, but neither is in any way memorable, at least to this point.

I actually go the first (new) Zahn Thrawn book out of the library, read about fifty pages and had to return it. Very cool cover. Very bland story, from what I recall of it. I think a lot of the positive reviews are nostalgia driven as much as anything else.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Are any of the Disney era SW novels any good? I read Wendig's first book (and wish I hadn't), and am currently flipping between the Ahsokha Tano novel and the Phasma novel. Neither of those are terrible, but I'm also not really in a place where I'd recommend either. Bizarrely, Phasma is a character in titular novel by reference only, at least so far. And the Tano book seems to be not just YA but YA for twelve year olds. Neither is awful, but neither is in any way memorable, at least to this point.

I actually go the first (new) Zahn Thrawn book out of the library, read about fifty pages and had to return it. Very cool cover. Very bland story, from what I recall of it. I think a lot of the positive reviews are nostalgia driven as much as anything else.

Is there any website where one can look up book sales? I'd love to know whether Wendig's crap is selling or not - I seriously hope his garbage is as much of a shelf-warmer as Rose toys.

 

[Creep3r]

Are any of the Disney era SW novels any good?

Nope. Only good ones are the novels done by veterans. The Thrawn novels by Zahn are one of the few good books in Disney's SW library but that's not saying much since Zahn was sorely limited in what he could do, so most of it just comes off as a shitty autobiography that only exists to be a tie-in to Thrawn's appearance in Rebels along with some shit explaining why the First Order survived in the Unknown Regions. I heard his newest Thrawn book is better though since its about Thrawn and Anakin teaming up so it has a lot of action, but I haven't read that one yet so its best you take any positive reception around it with a grain of salt if you decide to read it. The only books I've genuinely enjoyed from Disney were the ones by James Luceno, specifically the Tarkin novel (which was originally written before Disney bought SW) and Catalyst: A Rogue One novel which for me did a better job of fleshing out the characters than the Rogue One film did. Finally there's also the Lords of the Sith book by Paul S. Kemp which is about Vader and Steve Sheev (that's the Emperor's real name now under Disney) doing Sith things and Vader unleashing his full power by going full genocide mode, which was praised by both new and old fans, but the author is a pretentious ass-hat who went on twitter to shit on fans who disliked TLJ and Rian Johnson, calling everyone racists, sexists, male pigs, Trump-supporters, etc and then posted that all the bigots who hated Rian/TLJ to stop following him immediately and even started to block people over petty shit. Guy is as bad as Rian, Chuck Wendig and Pablo Hidalgo.

The rest of the books are just bland, boring (even if well written), just plain crap, extremely derivative or simply novelizations of things we already know about, like going into detail about how Rey's feelings or some crap. There's also a shit ton of novels and comics about the characters from the bar scene in TFA (and its not like Tales from the Cantina from the 90s which was noire-esque ministories in one book about the OT aliens from the Cantina) the aliens from Disney's cantina each have their own books and comics that are needlessly long or boring as shit instead of just being short and simple, and they recently even started making books and comics for even more obscure background characters from TFA and Rogue One (one character we never actually even see since his appearance is obscured by someone's arm and the gay Boba Fett and his mutant boyfriend I mentioned before) and its not even done with subtlety or kept as logical short stories like the few old books and comics about background characters, they go into strenuous detail about them, their pasts or their sexualities and the ones that introduce new major characters (like Wendig's) just go on about how their OCs were more important than any pre-Disney characters and how they truly stopped the Empire.

 

[Polyboros]

Star Wars Episode IX: Refund of the Ticket Price

 

[CWCissey]

Star Wars Episode IX: Refund of the Ticket Price

Star Wars: The Fanbase Strikes Back

 

[neverendingmidi]

Nope. Only good ones are the novels done by veterans. The Thrawn novels by Zahn are one of the few good books in Disney's SW library but that's not saying much since Zahn was sorely limited in what he could do, so most of it just comes off as a shitty autobiography that only exists to be tie in to Thrawn's appearance Rebels along with some shit explaining why the First Order survived in the Unknown Regions. I heard his newest Thrawn book is better though since its about Thrawn and Anakin teaming up so it has a lot of action, but I haven't read that one yet so its best you take any positive reception around it with a grain of salt if you decide to read it. The only books I've genuinely enjoyed from Disney were the ones by James Luceno, specifically the Tarkin novel (which was originally written before Disney bought SW) and Catalyst: A Rogue One novel which for me did a better job of fleshing out the characters than the Rogue One film did. Finally there's also the Lords of the Sith book by Paul S. Kemp which is about Vader and Steve Sheev (that's the Emperor's real name now under Disney) doing Sith things and Vader unleashing his full power going full genocide, which was praised by both new and old fans, but the author is a pretentious ass-hat who went on twitter to shit on fans who disliked TLJ and Rian Johnson, calling everyone racists, sexists, male pigs, Trump-supporters, etc and then posted that all the bigots who hated Rian/TLJ to stop following him immediately and even started to block people over petty shit. Guy is as bad as Rian, Chuck Wendig and Pablo Hidalgo.

The rest of the books are just bland, boring (even if well written) or just plain crap.

I thought Sheev came out as his name in the prequels. Not Disney.

Dooku on the other hand has no first name.