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[BubbleButt]

 

[BR55]

What are they trying to "save" the GOP from? Getting tired of winning?

"Vote Democrat to save the GOP" is NeoCon/NeverTrump code phrase for "Please god Republicans reject Trump and let us have our privileged positions as Right Wing Big Shots back we're begging you".
Like do you think the NeverTrump crowd wants to spend the rest of their days as nothing more than the medias token "Conservatives opposed to Trump"?
No they want their book deals and speaking tours and influence within the GOP back.
But Trump took all that away from them....Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of assholes.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

"Vote Democrat to save the GOP" is NeoCon/NeverTrump code phrase for "please god Republicans reject Trump and let us have our privileged positions as Right Wing Big Shots back we're begging you".
Like do you think the NeverTrump crowd wants to spend the rest of their days as nothing more than the medias token "Conservatives opposed to Trump"?
No they want their book deals and speaking tours and influence within the GOP back.
But Trump took all that away from them....Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of assholes.

They wanted to party with the celebrities and appear on Stephen Colbert, instead of actually doing shit for the people that they have to represent.

 

[zap2theextreme]

What are they trying to "save" the GOP from? Getting tired of winning?

There's a neolib/neocon alliance obsessed with maintaining an air of "decorum". Trump, despite what the MSM and even his own base believes, is largely a status quo president. Where he diverges is mostly rhetorical and the stylistic approach of shitposting on Twitter. This is what incenses them, Trump's repudiation of "American Exceptionalism" and with it the idea that the Presidency has been "tarnished". Oddly enough Trump's rejection of this exceptionalism is directly responsible for the only good policies he's enacted, North Korean peace for example.

So tl;dr yes they're fucking retarded and want "muh decorum" and to continue the great American past-time of invading every country from the Atlantic to the Pacific ocean

Also there's no better example of this alliance than John McCain's funeral and the nauseating rehabilitation of George W. Bush.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Lol. Is Dobson giving Corey Booker talking points?

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Democrats release confidential emails: Political courage
Democrats have confidential emails released: Act of international warfare

 

[Vorhtbame]

Are they talking about this e-mail set, in which Kavanaugh says that racial profiling is not effective, and that set-asides in the Small Business Administration for Native American applicants based solely on their parentage would be unconstitutional?

Because I'm not sure what's so horrid about that.

 

[The Great Citracett]

From what I've seen they're old emails, not secret, and he was cleared to release them the night before.

Nothing was at stake, he's just being a child.

 

[Blagher]

Are they talking about this e-mail set, in which Kavanaugh says that racial profiling is not effective, and that set-asides in the Small Business Administration for Native American applicants based solely on their parentage would be unconstitutional?

Because I'm not sure what's so horrid about that.

The takeaway is that while he doesn't view racial profiling as effective, he's OK at looking to other way on their constitutionality because theres no better alternative. Not the biggest endorsement but a no no for democrats who are catering minorities.

Weren't the emails he wrote about how he thinks roe v wade can be overturned in the release too? That's probably more of a bombshell since he's been purposely evasive about it.

 

[Yandere Science]

Weren't the emails he wrote about how he thinks roe v wade can be overturned in the release too? That's probably more of a bombshell since he's been purposely evasive about it.

All SCOTUS ruling can be overturned by the SCOTUS, how is that in any way controversial?

 

[Vorhtbame]

The takeaway is that while he doesn't view racial profiling as effective, he's OK at looking to other way on their constitutionality because theres no better alternative. Not the biggest endorsement but a no no for democrats who are catering minorities.

Weren't the emails he wrote about how he thinks roe v wade can be overturned in the release too? That's probably more of a bombshell since he's been purposely evasive about it.

I don't see those among the linked release. Was there more that I haven't found yet?

Also, found this entertaining article about Booker from 2013. Seems he's got some atonement to do before he runs for president in 2020.

 

[Blagher]

All SCOTUS ruling can be overturned by the SCOTUS, how is that in any way controversial?

Cause he's the swing vote on roe v wade and has refused to give any real answer on that case. It's may be enough to convince moderate conservatives to vote against him since it's a pretty big wedge issue

 

[Yandere Science]

Cause he's the swing vote on roe v wade and has refused to give any real answer on that case. It's may be enough to convince moderate conservatives to vote against him since it's a pretty big wedge issue

If he were to comment on a future challenge to any ruling, then he'd have to recuse himself if it ever actually happens, IIRC.

 

[Blagher]

I don't see those among the linked release. Was there more that I haven't found yet?

Also, found this entertaining article about Booker from 2013. Seems he's got some atonement to do before he runs for president in 2020.

https://www.scribd.com/document/387988906/Booker-Confidential-Kavanaugh-Hearing

Unless I'm reading it wrong, it's the whole talk about the interim issue

 

[Vorhtbame]

I think you may be reading it wrong. "Interim issue" seems to be shorthand for the question of security measures until an effective race-neutral system could be developed and implemented.

 

[Blagher]

If he were to comment on a future challenge to any ruling, then he'd have to recuse himself if it ever actually happens, IIRC.

The entire point of the hearing is to get a sense about how he would vote should cases like that come up. I think the sticking point is that whenever democrats ask him about his views about roe v wade or women's rights, he goes off on a very generic tangent about how he respects the laws of the land.

Normally that fine but he's financed by some pretty heavy anti abortion groups which would imply that they expect him to vote against roe v wade, Trump nominated in part due to that too if rumors are right. Him deleting the reference to roe v wade being established law implies he's open to changing it. Which gives another bit of insight that he wasn't willing to provide in testimony.

I think you may be reading it wrong. "Interim issue" seems to be shorthand for the question of security measures until an effective race-neutral system could be developed and implemented.

No I think I'm reading it right. Like I said, it's not a ringing endorsement of racial profiling but he's also not explicitly saying it's unconstitutional. Hes implying that while it's not effective, he thinks it may be the best they have for now until something replaces it.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

The entire point of the hearing is to get a sense about how he would vote should cases like that come up. I think the sticking point is that whenever democrats ask him about his views about roe v wade or women's rights, he goes off on a very generic tangent about how he respects the laws of the land.

Normally that fine but he's financed by some pretty heavy anti abortion groups which would imply that they expect him to vote against roe v wade, Trump nominated in part due to that too if rumors are right. Him deleting the reference to roe v wade being established law implies he's open to changing it. Which gives another bit of insight that he wasn't willing to provide in testimony.

It really makes you think about the state of politics within the U.S. when abortion privileges "rights" are considered (by the left) to be the most pressing issue right now.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

White House Counsel objects and raises questions about the
constitutionality of this bill, including but not limited to the portions
that refer to Native Hawaiians. See Rice v. Cayetano. We believe that an
"Office of Native American Affairs" within SBA triggers both policy and
constitutional concerns. If the Office will deal solely with tribes,
members of tribes, and tribal activities, it is appropriate. But if it
grants benefits to Native Americans because of their race/ethnicity alone,
that raises serious problems under Rice and the Constitution, which
generally requires that all Americans be treated as equal (absent a
program narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government interest). The
desire to remedy societal discrimination is not a compelling interest,
however. See Croson.
OLC needs to review this.

The people who favor some use of race/natl origin obviously do not need to grapple with the "interim" question. But
the people (such as you and I) who generally favor effective security measures that are race-neutral in fact DO need to grapple -and grapple now -- with the interim question of what to do before a truly effective and comprehensive race-neutral system is
developed and implemented.

What a monster.

 

[Blagher]

It really makes you think about the state of politics within the U.S. when abortion privileges "rights" are considered (by the left) to be the most pressing issue right now.

What should they consider? Kavanaugh is essentially going to vote like Kennedy except on a few issues where Kennedy sided with the liberal side on. There's no point in probing him on most of the other stuff since he won't change the voting breakdown there.

You says it's a privilege but honestly, I don't get why the right makes such a big deal about of abortion. From a pragmatic standpoint, their just setting themselves up for failure later down the line when those babies can vote.

 

[Vorhtbame]

No I think I'm reading it right. Like I said, it's not a ringing endorsement of racial profiling but he's also not explicitly saying it's unconstitutional. Hes implying that while it's not effective, he thinks it may be the best they have for now until something replaces it.

Ah, I see. I thought you were saying that "interim issue" refers to abortion.

Him deleting the reference to roe v wade being established law implies he's open to changing it. Which gives another bit of insight that he wasn't willing to provide in testimony.

The thing is that it doesn't matter what his personal views are. If someone goes before the SCOTUS and makes a convincing case that limits or overturns Roe v. Wade, then it should be done; if not, then not. So if he's unwilling to change it, then he's a poor candidate. We do not need more blind ideologues on the Court.

You says it's a privilege but honestly, I don't get why the right makes such a big deal about of abortion. From a pragmatic standpoint, their just setting themselves up for failure later down the line when those babies can vote.

It's a question of whether the unborn is a person, generally, and therefore has an independent right to live. Right-wingers are kind of opposed to killing people who didn't do anything to deserve it, and many hold the unborn are people. That's off-topic, however; just FYI.