Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[AJ 447]

Well, that doesn't at all seem vaguely threatening. Although I did appreciate the laugh over this Travis dude questioning how tough Zack is. Check out that moob outline.

 

[Water-T]

Jesus, these morons have this image built up in their heads that D&C is some kind of Snidely Whiplash character that is going to crash panels, kidnap women, and tie them to railroad tracks.

"I hope people point and laugh at him". Oh, i'm sorry you didn't finish 5th grade Scott.

 

[AnOminous]

Well, that doesn't at all seem vaguely threatening. Although I did appreciate the laugh over this Travis dude questioning how tough Zack is. Check out that moob outline.

He has a serious case of Down's face going on.

 

[Done]

Not sure why people are surprised at Gail mocking art that was posted a year ago. She's just that slow. Because she's FUCKING FAT.

Gail Simone is the very personification of the Internet Cat Lady meme, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if she posts on Something Awful, maybe even as a mod.

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There's nothing more pathetic than a bunch of people publicly fantasizing about another person's supposed downfall, when that other person actually has a functional life and is making more money.

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I assume this is how we feel about John's entire life.

Surprised this hasn’t gained much traction yet but there is supposedly an AntiCG Discord where they do coordinate a lot of this stuff. Guess the JoeQ spergery & everything else sort of overshadowed it

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LOL I called it.

I sense that there's a move in the backgrounds of the comics industry to get everyone out against Zack and Comicsgate. This really feels like Deja Vu from the GameJournosPros and the "Gamers are Dead" articles.

I wouldn't doubt that there's a private venue those exceptional individuals plot moves in, and all we need is for someone to pop the balloon and leak things.

I bet those leaks will be hilarious.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

"This D&C guy is a nobody and nobody agrees with him. So let's obsessively talk about him 24/7 on Twitter".

 

[damian]

"This D&C guy is a nobody and nobody agrees with him. So let's obsessively talk about him 24/7 on Twitter".

Not like we have Quesadilla making a long concern troll tweeting spree:

https://twitter.com/joequesada/status/1039018645043724288 https://archive.fo/BuRjY

He later tried to get Jon Malin leave Yaboi:

https://twitter.com/joequesada/status/1038991311276306432 https://archive.fo/bI26Z

Marvel No Prize, another Marvel tradition ruined

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Damn, Joe Q is actually WATCHING muh boi Zach!

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Damn, Joe Q is actually WATCHING muh boi Zach!

That quote in particular makes me scratch my head. I want to ask Quesada if he feels any sort of criticism of art is unfair.

 

[AnOminous]

That quote in particular makes me scratch my head. I want to ask Quesada if he feels any sort of criticism of art is unfair.

He's apparently okay with his own megacorporation going after a lone comic books artist and bullying retail outlets (where his own megacorporation's products are sold) into not carrying his book.

So apparently it's okay to stamp independent comics out of existence by illegal means to this thug, but merely criticizing the shit his garbage factory spews out is Nazism.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I have very little legal knowledge, what are the potential ramifications of an FTC complaint compared to that of a civil suit?

Civil is simply a lawsuit between parties. Tortious interference mainly in this case. Plus there may be a civil suit for anti trust violations.

But the FTC complaint doesn’t really involve Meyer or Antarctic Press, etc, Beyond them being the complainants. That is a Federal investigation regarding Anti Trust and Turner Act violations. Basically you cannot use your companies monopoly power nor band with others to create a secret monopoly to act against the business interests of others. Denying a competitor or startup access to third parties such as publishers, distributors, retailers, employees etc. It doesn’t come up much in public, but it is a rather hardcore law. It is one of the few business laws that can breach the corporate shield, holding not just the corporation but individual employees and officers personally civilly and criminally liable. Corporations take it very very seriously because the individual execs can go to jail for violations or personally be liable for heavy fines.

One of the biggest things the FTC looks for is industry collusion between what should be isolated companies toward a common goal. Price Fixing, Black Listing, pressuring third parties to undercut an upstart etc. Any signs that businesses in an industry are not acting independently. These little Private Facebook groups of industry mean girls? Yeah they can be a very big no no, depending on who is in them, what is being discussed, and if action against a third party is colluded.

It should be noted that every Disney employee and contractor is aware of these. Exbit A Disney Standards and Practices. Chapter 5 lays it out in plain language. https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/wp-content/uploads/TWDC-Standards-of-Business-Conduct-1.pdf It’s also noteworthy that Marvel is clearly identified onthe first page/cover.


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[Stock Image Photographer]

I want to ask Quesada if he feels any sort of criticism of art is unfair.

I think a lot of Comic Book Pros, and a lot of people who work in the entertainment industry in general nowadays, feel entitled to the praise and glory that the people who came before them received. They don't realize that they're just not as good as their predecessors and that praise has to be earned.

 

[SiccDicc]

Damn, Joe Q is actually WATCHING muh boi Zach!

>it's what you say about the people who made the book, that thing they're so proud of, their identity
They identify as shit, apparently.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

He's apparently okay with his own megacorporation going after a lone comic books artist and bullying retail outlets (where his own megacorporation's products are sold) into not carrying his book.

So apparently it's okay to stamp independent comics out of existence by illegal means to this thug, but merely criticizing the shit his garbage factory spews out is Nazism.

Why didn't someone immediately send Joe a screeny of Gail Simone's tweet that savaged D&C's earlier work? I know she isn't Marvel but it could have forced his hand to publicly disavow it.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Why didn't someone immediately send Joe a screeny of Gail Simone's tweet that savaged D&C's earlier work? I know she isn't Marvel but it could have forced his hand to publicly disavow it.

Doug Ernst was kind of tried to do that, got completely ignored.

Probably not an exact answer to what you asked, but I'd suggest it establishes a pattern of behavior.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

Well, that doesn't at all seem vaguely threatening. Although I did appreciate the laugh over this Travis dude questioning how tough Zack is. Check out that moob outline.
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Powers consist of eating his enemies and soy spit to melt them.

 

[RodgerDodger]

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He later tried to get Jon Malin leave Yaboi:
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Marvel No Prize, another Marvel tradition ruined

I love how Quesada makes light of D&C threatening lawsuits, then proceeds to actually full blown violate the FTC statutes. Do note Quesada is a Corporate Officer for Marvel. The Chief Creative Officer. Everything about this exchange is fine... until he makes a left turn and starts addressing Jon Malin and "his fellow pro's that embrace D&C". Take a look at that series of tweets encouraging these Pro's to not do business with D&C. That is actual BLACKLISTING. No question about it. The top dog at Marvel is sending out a public broadcast declaring someone untouchable in the industry. He hides it in some flowery language, but that is unquestionably what it is. It's the old "You'll never work in this town again!"

 

[One Man Bland]

But the FTC complaint doesn’t really involve Meyer or Antarctic Press, etc, Beyond them being the complainants. That is a Federal investigation regarding Anti Trust and Turner Act violations. Basically you cannot use your companies monopoly power nor band with others to create a secret monopoly to act against the business interests of others. Denying a competitor or startup access to third parties such as publishers, distributors, retailers, employees etc. It doesn’t come up much in public, but it is a rather hardcore law. It is one of the few business laws that can breach the corporate shield, holding not just the corporation but individual employees and officers personally civilly and criminally liable. Corporations take it very very seriously because the individual execs can go to jail for violations or personally be liable for heavy fines.

Even if it's a long shot, the thought of Joe Quesada, Mark Waid, and some of the other chucklefucks involved doing jail time because they just couldn't quell their impotent tard rage over a generic YouTuber making videos of himself reading comics and then making a kickstarter when the so-called professionals screamed "W-W-WELL LET'S SEE YOU DO BETTER" is still the funniest possible outcome that could possibly result from all these slap fights.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Even if it's a long shot, the thought of Joe Quesada, Mark Waid, and some of the other chucklefucks involved doing jail time because they just couldn't quell their impotent tard rage over a generic YouTuber making videos of himself reading comics and then making a kickstarter when the so-called professionals screamed "W-W-WELL LET'S SEE YOU DO BETTER" is still the funniest possible outcome that could possibly result from all these slap fights.

Oh this would never lead to jail. I don't think you could find a DAG to take comics seriously enough to drop that hammer. But anyone looking to make a name for themselves would happily shake Disney's cage with fines. Although I could see Waid involuntarily committed after the investigators have to taze him in self defense during the interview.

 

[One Man Bland]

Oh this would never lead to jail. I don't think you could find a DAG to take comics seriously enough to drop that hammer. But anyone looking to make a name for themselves would happily shake Disney's cage with fines. Although I could see Waid involuntarily committed after the investigators have to taze him in self defense during the interview.

I figured as much, but it's still a funny image to picture Quesada or Said trying to explain to the Feds "BUT OFFICERS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE HAD TO MONOPOLIZE COMICS BECAUSE THAT GUY'S SHITTY PHONE VIDEOS WERE LITERALLY MURDERING OUR #WOKE DIVERSE CREATORS!"

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Honestly, I don't see much coming of it. In theory, they could end Marvel. In practice, I don't see them doing a damn thing other than routine inquiries. Comics are a minuscule sliver of an industry, and I don't see the political will to do anything. You pretty much have to sue or suck it up unless you yourself are a huge corporation with politicians in your back pocket.

Then why not just sue?

I love how Quesada makes light of D&C threatening lawsuits, then proceeds to actually full blown violate the FTC statutes. Do note Quesada is a Corporate Officer for Marvel. The Chief Creative Officer. Everything about this exchange is fine... until he makes a left turn and starts addressing Jon Malin and "his fellow pro's that embrace D&C". Take a look at that series of tweets encouraging these Pro's to not do business with D&C. That is actual BLACKLISTING. No question about it. The top dog at Marvel is sending out a public broadcast declaring someone untouchable in the industry. He hides it in some flowery language, but that is unquestionably what it is. It's the old "You'll never work in this town again!"

THEN WHY NOT JUST SUE?!