Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Flexo]

What do we keep saying? TLJ is was just mislabeled as to which movie it was a sequel for.

 

[Zaryiu]

The weird thing is, Nu-Wars did not continue any story of the old trilogy in any meaningful way.
Old fans want to see how things have panned out, revisit familiar places and see how they have been changed. Wouldn't it be interesting to see Tatooine, Bespin or even Endor and see how the fall of the empire has affected them? Would it not have been interesting to see how Jabba's death has affected that neck of the woods? And it would not have carried the foul "been there, done that" vibe of simply remaking iconic scenes from the old movies. It would not have felt like they shove in nostalgic stuff just to make the viewer go "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!", it would have made sense to show these places.
Instead, they pretty much hard-resetted everything and everyone or make them retread ground from different characters - best example: Luke is essentially this trilogy's Obi Wan, but his plot makes far less sense.
Luke especially would have had so many interesting possibilities. Even the idea of Luke refusing to use a light-sabre could have been interesting. After all, he didn't win against the Empire by beating Darth Vader, killing him and the Emperor. He beat up Darth Vader, then refused to give in to his feelings and cast away his sword rather than killing Vader, meaning that his victory was an entirely spiritual thing. Continuing that would have been so immensely interesting. He could still fight, mind you, but maybe without using a lightsabre and without the intent to harm or kill his opponent. A bit like Aikido, where he just tries to fend off his opponent until that opponent gives up. I feel that would have done the Luke of the old movies justice and could have been absolutely satisfying to watch him beat baddies not only physically, but also spiritually.

I am also baffled at how uncreative Nu-Wars is in terms of settings. Bespin alone is such an amazingly creative set-piece. A city adrift above the clouds of a gas giant - how cool is that?
Every location was a unique and interesting place, but every new setting is visually similar to the old locations and there is absolutely nothing new and amazing. Sure, the old movies have already used many settings, so it would be hard to come up with something new, but Nu-Wars didn't even attempt to.
At the top of my head: How about a planet which has a surface that is unhabitable, so it's a giant underground city with endless tunnel-labyrinths. Star Wars is a fantasy franchise, so I feel a "Moria"-inspired setting might actually be pretty neat and fit rigth in. And it would give you interesting opportunities, since every location carries with it things to be exploited.

Sullustan would work better than a straight up Moria-style: A volcanic planet where you need a insulated suit to even be above ground so the Sullustans (Lando copilot in RotJ was one of them) so they built underground their civilization and use their developed senses to determine where to built to avoid the magma flow

 

[nyess]

if you're over the age of 12 and you're upset over star wars resistance, you should probably kys

 

[The Nothingness]

What do we keep saying? TLJ is was just mislabeled as to which movie it was a sequel for.
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Now that I think about, the Supremacy could be just as large as Spaceball I and have a mall, a three-ring circus, and a zoo.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

The weird thing is, Nu-Wars did not continue any story of the old trilogy in any meaningful way.
Old fans want to see how things have panned out, revisit familiar places and see how they have been changed. Wouldn't it be interesting to see Tatooine, Bespin or even Endor and see how the fall of the empire has affected them? Would it not have been interesting to see how Jabba's death has affected that neck of the woods?

One big issue I had with the new trilogy is that we jump ahead 30 years, but we get no real context for the present state of affairs and why there is a strong First Order that rose up against the New Republic. If the First Order is the byproduct of various places not warming up to - or souring on - the New Republic, that could offer a plausible explanation. But no, we have no idea what's happened in the galaxy for 3 decades and we're magically transformed to the apparent culmination of an uprising nearly identical to that we saw in A New Hope.

Another item that came to me earlier today is the lack of continuity in nu-Wars. Because I know someone is still reading the Ahsoka novel, I'm going to spoil this:

Spoiler: An Ahsoka Inconsistency

When Ahsoka appeared in Rebels brandishing white lightsabers, the claim was the white color reflected her neutral alliance - neither Jedi nor Sith.

In her novel that came out later, her lightsaber blades have a white color because they were somehow purified after belonging to an inquisitor - and that's the reason why they're white. So, Disney, which is it?

I feel that would have done the Luke of the old movies justice and could have been absolutely satisfying to watch him beat baddies not only physically, but also spiritually.

One of the things I liked about Masters of the Universe growing up was that He-Man almost always bested Skeletor and other foes on an intellectual level by somehow outsmarting them. Sure, he had the strength to overpower them, but he almost always seemed to outwit opponents to send them running off in retreat. Even now, I tend to have more respect for a hero that prevails on an intellectual level.

As such, I get what you're saying about Luke winning on a spiritual level, and I agree that it could be far more powerful than winning solely on brute force or strength. Bigger and more powerful isn't always better.

 

[Stay safe]

Mauler's take on Patrick's TLJ defense video while breaking down generic pro-Disney Wars arguments.

"The Giant Alien Cow Thing™ that Luke milks is one of my favorite-"
*Mauler, Appabend, and Wolf all break into uproarious laughter that lasts for over a minute*

I don't think there's a moment that better sums up how desperate TLJ fans are to defend their holy Bible of a film, and how fucking bad they are at it.

 

[SuperSheep]

Spoiler: An Ahsoka Inconsistency

When Ahsoka appeared in Rebels brandishing white lightsabers, the claim was the white color reflected her neutral alliance - neither Jedi nor Sith.

In her novel that came out later, her lightsaber blades have a white color because they were somehow purified after belonging to an inquisitor - and that's the reason why they're white. So, Disney, which is it?

Well, it could be both, the former being symbolic shorthand for the audience while the other is the in-universe explanation.

 

[Muttnik]

Listened to the full Mauler commentary on Patrick's video and holy fucking shit. I hadn't seen the shill vid beforehand and the level of soy-filled smugness oozing out of it is honestly quite sickening. The trio there shot down every single criticism without barely having to try.

Sidenote, I loved Mauler's idea of just a random little goblin creature thing in the Star Wars universe gaining immense power and the fallout of all that over the course of a trilogy. Very Tolkien-esque. It's pretty sad that a random spitball idea made in a passing comment had me more intrigued than two combined mass-produced/marketed installments of a major film franchise issued out of a major film company.

 

[Puddleduck]

I think it'd be cool if they go to remote Imperial outpost in the Outer Rim, who still have old style Stormtroopers and a Moff - they're so far from the "centre" that the death of the Emperor and destruction of the Death Star II had little effect on them, nor did the rise of the First Order.

 

[Absolutego]

One big issue I had with the new trilogy is that we jump ahead 30 years, but we get no real context for the present state of affairs and why there is a strong First Order that rose up against the New Republic. If the First Order is the byproduct of various places not warming up to - or souring on - the New Republic, that could offer a plausible explanation. But no, we have no idea what's happened in the galaxy for 3 decades and we're magically transformed to the apparent culmination of an uprising nearly identical to that we saw in A New Hope.

It's explained in the novels and whatnot, because some idiot at Disney thought something that central to the setting wouldn't need to be addressed in the movies.

Essentially 5 years post-ROTJ the Empire surrenders, the New Republic is established, and the remaining imperial loyalists flee to the Outer Rim. The politicians leading the New Republic immediately demilitarize to differentiate themselves from the Empire and focus on rebuilding the Galaxy. The First Order grows over time, but the political leadership is too traumatized over the civil war to be willing to address the issue militarily. So Leia (who has the Churchillian role of being the politician screaming about the threat a rising dictator poses but no one will listen) funds her own paramilitary group to go sabotage First Order mobilization efforts, and that's the Resistance.

It's basically the inter-world war period if that period was overseen by retarded hippies and Churchill conducting mercenary activity to sabotage Hitler was an open secret. And then, after Hitler blew up 4 Allied cities, they still didn't declare war.

Which is something that could be in a Star Wars movie, but the problem is that movie is the Holiday Special.

 

[Creep3r]

It's explained in the novels and whatnot, because some idiot at Disney thought something that central to the setting wouldn't need to be addressed in the movies.

Essentially 5 years post-ROTJ the Empire surrenders, the New Republic is established, and the remaining imperial loyalists flee to the Outer Rim. The politicians leading the New Republic immediately demilitarize to differentiate themselves from the Empire and focus on rebuilding the Galaxy. The First Order grows over time, but the political leadership is too traumatized over the civil war to be willing to address the issue militarily. So Leia (who has the Churchillian role of being the politician screaming about the threat a rising dictator poses but no one will listen) funds her own paramilitary group to go sabotage First Order mobilization efforts, and that's the Resistance.

It's basically the inter-world war period if that period was overseen by exceptional hippies and Churchill conducting mercenary activity to sabotage Hitler was an open secret. And then, after Hitler blew up 4 Allied cities, they still didn't declare war.

Which is something that could be in a Star Wars movie, but the problem is that movie is the Holiday Special.

Were those the same novels that introduced "Centrists" as a villain faction in Star Wars? Seriously, are all the new authors cut from the same cloth of hippie mediocrity as Chuck Wendig?

 

[CWCissey]

Were those the same novels that introduced "Centrists" as a villain faction in Star Wars? Seriously, are all the new authors cut from the same cloth of hippie mediocrity as Chuck Wendig?

Lol do the Centrists in that remind you of anything?

God Nu-Wars is fucking unbearable.

 

[Mola Ram]

Lol do the Centrists in that remind you of anything?

God Nu-Wars is fucking unbearable.

 

[Creep3r]

Lol do the Centrists in that remind you of anything?

God Nu-Wars is fucking unbearable.

According to those who enjoyed novels like Wendig's shit and Bloodline, Centrists are actually supposed to be a stand-in for Republicans and "Populists" (the opposing political party) are Democrats.

the Populists were liberal, supporting limited government, individual freedoms, pluralism, civic-nationalism, planetary sovereignty, noninterventionism, utilitarianism, and economic autonomy for each of the member worlds.

Leia, Luke and the OT characters would all vote Democrat! Take that drumpflstiltkins!!

And all the while nu-fans missing everything that comes after "liberal". But regardless, blatant real world politics in an escapist scifi fantasy is totally what people wanted...

 

[Flexo]

According to those who enjoyed novels like Wendig's shit and Bloodline, Centrists are actually supposed to be a stand-in for Republicans and "Populists" (the opposing political party) are Democrats.

Wait, the populists sound like Trump.

 

[Creep3r]

Wait, the populists sound like Trump.

Maybe the authors were trying to make some kind of clever political point about how wacky current politics are (albeit devoid of subtlety) or they're just full blown soy-chugging idiots who have no idea how their own politics work and wookieepedia went out of its way to point out all the contradictory views the authors didn't realize they inserted into their references?

Either way it just spoils the immersion by dragging in blatant irl bullshit from the current year regardless of views. Like that one time in old SW where they virtue signaled about the horrors of whaling in the Glove of Darth Vader. I hate poaching but I certainly didn't pick up an SW book to get lectured some more about it in the least subtle way possible (but even that seems subtle now compared to the Disney books).

 

[Furina]

It's explained in the novels and whatnot, because some idiot at Disney thought something that central to the setting wouldn't need to be addressed in the movies.

Essentially 5 years post-ROTJ the Empire surrenders, the New Republic is established, and the remaining imperial loyalists flee to the Outer Rim. The politicians leading the New Republic immediately demilitarize to differentiate themselves from the Empire and focus on rebuilding the Galaxy. The First Order grows over time, but the political leadership is too traumatized over the civil war to be willing to address the issue militarily. So Leia (who has the Churchillian role of being the politician screaming about the threat a rising dictator poses but no one will listen) funds her own paramilitary group to go sabotage First Order mobilization efforts, and that's the Resistance.

It's basically the inter-world war period if that period was overseen by exceptional hippies and Churchill conducting mercenary activity to sabotage Hitler was an open secret. And then, after Hitler blew up 4 Allied cities, they still didn't declare war.

Which is something that could be in a Star Wars movie, but the problem is that movie is the Holiday Special.

It would have been so much more interesting if the New Republic and First Order basically swapped places with the Empire and Rebels. The bad guys are now the guerrillas wreaking havoc on Republic worlds while the new government struggles to defeat the empire loyalists.

No way that could be allowed though. Underdogs = good guys. Always.

Anything else would be too difficult for the mashed potatoe brains of the average moviegoer in this day and age.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Mauler's take on Patrick's TLJ defense video while breaking down generic pro-Disney Wars arguments.

Only 35 minutes in and it's plain to see that the bullshit bingo is in full play here.
The part about the movie being a kids film alone is fucking ridiculous.
Ever noticed that we're not supposed to take the movie too seriously whenever something immensely stupid, nonsensical or outright inappropriate happens, but we are supposed to give it full credit for everything it supposedly does right (which is mostly @Flexo's concept of the blank canvas that people fill in themselves)?

Essentially 5 years post-ROTJ the Empire surrenders, the New Republic is established, and the remaining imperial loyalists flee to the Outer Rim. The politicians leading the New Republic immediately demilitarize to differentiate themselves from the Empire and focus on rebuilding the Galaxy. The First Order grows over time, but the political leadership is too traumatized over the civil war to be willing to address the issue militarily. So Leia (who has the Churchillian role of being the politician screaming about the threat a rising dictator poses but no one will listen) funds her own paramilitary group to go sabotage First Order mobilization efforts, and that's the Resistance.

It's basically the inter-world war period if that period was overseen by exceptional hippies and Churchill conducting mercenary activity to sabotage Hitler was an open secret. And then, after Hitler blew up 4 Allied cities, they still didn't declare war.

See, this could have been interesting, if only someone would have bothered to put it in the goddamned movies.
Taking the inter-war period of Europe and using that as a model for SW politics could really result in some interesting stuff, too bad they not only botched it with "Lol, let's throw away our military, what could possibly go wrong?" and then going the extra mile of putting that into a novel that the average cinema-viewer will never pick up.

 

[XYZpdq]

supporting limited government, individual freedoms, pluralism, civic-nationalism, planetary sovereignty, noninterventionism, utilitarianism, and economic autonomy for each of the member worlds.

Am I missing something or is this libertarians / economic conservatives, and in no way, shape, or form reflective of any platform the Democratic Party has held going back several decades at the very least?

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Either way it just spoils the immersion by dragging in blatant irl bullshit from the current year regardless of views.

Funny that George Lucas would remove Lapti Nek and replace it with Jedi Rocks in Return of the Jedi because he didn't want the music to date the film.

Disney, on the other hand, sees no problems with injecting present-day politics into the Sequel Triology although that will likely be outdated 40 years from now.