TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Medicated]

 

[A Big Bumbling Black Man]

Oh, please. The biggest "struggles" that her pack of jackals endure comes from their shallow critique of white people and men, when it's treated like the same kind of bigotry they'd condemn if it were directed towards women and minorities. That's why everybody just assumes you're in it for the climb, Lindsay, it's because you broadcast your victimhood hierarchy on a near-daily basis.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

We all know this clique and how they treat people that slightly fall out of line. They’re dropped like a hot potato unless they’re a protected class who can do no wrong.

These people all have superficial friendships that are based on gaining something from that friend (favors, stuff, popularity, access). People who say this aren’t projecting, it’s been proven true time and time again.

Edit: Look at Laci Green and Shoe0nhead. Both are pariahs now in some extreme circles.

 

[BlueSpark]

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And with no self-awareness she then retweeted fellow pop-culture autism vortex Jenny Nicholson's article for Playboy whining about Muppets not being gay:

Spoiler: This is what Playboy is, now

The Secret Sex Lives of Muppets

Written by Jenny Nicholson
Published on September 19, 2018

If you’re in the Muppet fandom—a Muppethead, a Fraggle Groupie, a Sesame Stan—you’ve heard the big news that Bert and Ernie are officially Extremely Not-Gay Puppets. Following claims by former Sesame Street writer Mark Saltzman that the characters were written with a gay relationship in mind, Frank Oz took to Twitter to reaffirm the Muppets’ heterosexuality. Shortly afterward, the long-running show issued an official statement backing his claims.

Now, as the Fozzie Bear namesake, Yoda voice actor and creator of Bert and Ernie, Oz could well be the authority on this. But some fans are upset. In recent years, we’ve seen Muppets with autism, Muppets utilizing wheelchairs, Muppets with incarcerated parents. Some wonder why LGBTQ characters, specifically, is where the line has been drawn. I think what we all need now is a little clarity on the ins and outs of the Muppetverse.

As somebody who’s owned at least one Fozzie plush in my lifetime, it’s not like I want to be petty enough to pull receipts on Frank Oz to argue Muppet sexuality. I don’t want to be—but I am. I’m going to pull receipts.

Why should we think Bert and Ernie are in a platonic, heterosexual-male relationship? Let’s look at the facts.

There are three possible reasons Sesame Street could be vehemently opposed to letting people assume Bert and Ernie are gay:

1. Bert and Ernie are designed to show preschoolers how to navigate the challenges of a platonic friendship with somebody very different from yourself. Making this relationship canonically romantic would introduce new complications, and also hold less relevance and relatability, for preschoolers.

2. Homophobic people buy a lot of plush Muppets, and Muppeteers gotta eat.

3. Unbeknownst to all of us, the upcoming season of Sesame Street involves a huge story line centered around Ernie’s heterosexual relationship with a female Muppet, and there is a scene in which he says out loud, “I have never been gay, or even bi.” The scene is already shot, and removing it would disrupt the narrative of the entire season.

Sesame Street kind of mentioned reason No. 1 in its statement on Twitter: “As we have always said, Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves.”

Fair enough. But then they went on to say, “They remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.” This is where you tripped across the finish line, Sesame Street.

Bert and Ernie can’t have a sexual orientation because they’re puppets? But wait—Kermit and Miss Piggy are pretty clearly heterosexual. Pepe the King Prawn is sexually attracted to both muppets and humans. Undoubtedly, Gonzo has eyes for Camilla the Chicken (again, no judgment).

Why is Sesame Street forcing me to contemplate the details of Muppet physiology? I don’t want to know if Muppets have genitals, but I do know Muppets can procreate. In the Muppets Most Wanted song “Something So Right,” Kermit and Miss Piggy sing about their dreams of a life together, with the lyrics describing “a little pink frog and a little green piggy.” The fantasy sequence in the film shows the Muppet children, looking like a perfect genetic mix of both parents.

Is this the world Frank Oz envisions, of soulless plush creatures living in this hellscape where they can eat and breed and feel pain and die, but not fall in love?

If Muppets can’t have a sexual orientation, where do Muppet Babies come from? Where is the line between puppet and creature drawn? Cookie Monster is able to ingest food. Beaker and Gonzo feel pain in their slapstick routines. The Muppets appear to be able to do anything a human can do, except be gay.

In Muppets Most Wanted, Kermit and Miss Piggy plan a wedding, and way back in The Muppets Take Manhattan (directed by Frank Oz), they were actually married. If Muppet marriage is legal, is gay Muppet marriage legal? What does marriage mean to a Muppet? Are these platonic marriages, devoid of attraction or physical love?

Even specifically within the Sesame Street canon, we see Muppet romantic pairings and family units. Elmo has a mother and father, who are married. He has an extended family of aunts, uncles and cousins. In the special episode "When Families Grieve," Elmo visits his Muppet aunt, who is a Muppet widow after the recent death of Elmo’s Uncle Jack.

So, Muppets can die now too? What did he die of? Can a Muppet die in a violent accident? That makes the comedy sketches with Beaker and Dr. Bunsen Honeydew seem a lot grimmer in hindsight. Did Uncle Jack have a Muppet terminal illness? Did he go to Muppet war? (Muppet wars exist, right?)

Is this the world Frank Oz envisions, of soulless plush creatures living in this hellscape where they can eat and breed and feel pain and die, but not fall in love? After hours of arguing on Twitter with fans upset by his statement, Oz finally signed off with one last message: “Thanks for those who tweeted with me. Next time, I would be very interested to know: If Bert and Ernie were indeed gay, would they be different than they are now?”

It’s a good question, Foz. So, why is it so important that they not be?

Link to the article:
https://www.playboy.com/read/bert-ernie-sesame-street-gay

So basically: "People can be friends without wanting or needing sexual "transactions," unless it doesn't benefit my gay fetishist agenda"

 

[Medicated]

Why is Sesame Street forcing me to contemplate the details of Muppet physiology? I don’t want to know if Muppets have genitals, but I do know Muppets can procreate. In the Muppets Most Wanted song “Something So Right,” Kermit and Miss Piggy sing about their dreams of a life together, with the lyrics describing “a little pink frog and a little green piggy.” The fantasy sequence in the film shows the Muppet children, looking like a perfect genetic mix of both parents.

Is this the world Frank Oz envisions, of soulless plush creatures living in this hellscape where they can eat and breed and feel pain and die, but not fall in love?

She's being disingenuous, because Sesame Street never has Miss Piggy, and the Muppets never have Bert and Ernie, so her entire heterosexual agenda spiel is her talking out her ass. Sesame Street is for small children, the Muppet Show and their related properties are for Family audiences.

Sesame Street is forcing her, to think about gay muppet sex? No child questions any of that stuff. When I was a kid they were just two guys hanging out, it was only when I was an ADULT I thought "heh funny if they were gay" it's completely left up to your own interpretation at that point. They don't need to make a statement. They are stories for little kids. Not another vector for sex education. None of these kids are anywhere near puberty. Fuck off and leave them alone.

I feel like she must write sesame street slashfic in her spare time or something, because the whole article seems to be leading into "I want my official sesame street gay porn and I want it now"

 

[Grand Lunar]

She's being disingenuous, because Sesame Street never has Miss Piggy, and the Muppets never have Bert and Ernie, so her entire heterosexual agenda spiel is her talking out her ass. Sesame Street is for small children, the Muppet Show and their related properties are for Family audiences.

Not to mention the most recent tv show, which was clearly made for adults. I was going to give her a point on this one, but I think that you're right, none of the muppets on Sesame Street have ever been shown to be "dating" like Kermit and Miss Piggy.

While I find the position that kids' shows should never have gay characters because that's somehow "more sexual" than couples like Kermit & Miss Piggy completely ridiculous, you're right that that baby/toddler shows like Sesame Street almost never feature couples of any type unless they're the kids parents. Bert and Ernie as an official couple would be unusual in that context now that I think about it, and isn't entirely comparable to Kermit & Miss Piggy.

Though, I have a hard time getting into the mindset of someone who is actually outraged by the idea of it. Even trying to be as fair as I can, I can't really see people throwing around terms like "homosexual agenda" as anything other than virulent homophobia tbh.

 

[CWCissey]

Not to mention the most recent tv show, which was clearly made for adults. I was going to give her a point on this one, but I think that you're right, none of the muppets on Sesame Street have ever been shown to be "dating" like Kermit and Miss Piggy.

While I find the position that kids' shows should never have gay characters because that's somehow "more sexual" than couples like Kermit & Miss Piggy completely ridiculous, you're right that that baby/toddler shows like Sesame Street almost never feature couples of any type unless they're the kids parents. Bert and Ernie as an official couple would be unusual in that context now that I think about it, and isn't entirely comparable to Kermit & Miss Piggy.

Though, I have a hard time getting into the mindset of someone who is actually outraged by the idea of it. Even trying to be as fair as I can, I can't really see people throwing around terms like "homosexual agenda" as anything other than virulent homophobia tbh.

 

[Grand Lunar]

This actually reminded me of Lindsay reeing about the song "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" from Avenue Q, a musical Sesame Street parody. The show includes expies of Bert and Ernie and sort of plays off of this idea, except only the Bert expy is gay and has an unrequited crush on his roommate. I wonder if now that this has come up, we'll see her bring the show up again and call it homophobic or whatever.

 

[Wabbu]

And with no self-awareness she then retweeted fellow pop-culture autism vortex Jenny Nicholson's article for Playboy whining about Muppets not being gay:

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Spoiler: This is what Playboy is, now

The Secret Sex Lives of Muppets

Written by Jenny Nicholson
Published on September 19, 2018

If you’re in the Muppet fandom—a Muppethead, a Fraggle Groupie, a Sesame Stan—you’ve heard the big news that Bert and Ernie are officially Extremely Not-Gay Puppets. Following claims by former Sesame Street writer Mark Saltzman that the characters were written with a gay relationship in mind, Frank Oz took to Twitter to reaffirm the Muppets’ heterosexuality. Shortly afterward, the long-running show issued an official statement backing his claims.

Now, as the Fozzie Bear namesake, Yoda voice actor and creator of Bert and Ernie, Oz could well be the authority on this. But some fans are upset. In recent years, we’ve seen Muppets with autism, Muppets utilizing wheelchairs, Muppets with incarcerated parents. Some wonder why LGBTQ characters, specifically, is where the line has been drawn. I think what we all need now is a little clarity on the ins and outs of the Muppetverse.

As somebody who’s owned at least one Fozzie plush in my lifetime, it’s not like I want to be petty enough to pull receipts on Frank Oz to argue Muppet sexuality. I don’t want to be—but I am. I’m going to pull receipts.

Why should we think Bert and Ernie are in a platonic, heterosexual-male relationship? Let’s look at the facts.

There are three possible reasons Sesame Street could be vehemently opposed to letting people assume Bert and Ernie are gay:

1. Bert and Ernie are designed to show preschoolers how to navigate the challenges of a platonic friendship with somebody very different from yourself. Making this relationship canonically romantic would introduce new complications, and also hold less relevance and relatability, for preschoolers.

2. Homophobic people buy a lot of plush Muppets, and Muppeteers gotta eat.

3. Unbeknownst to all of us, the upcoming season of Sesame Street involves a huge story line centered around Ernie’s heterosexual relationship with a female Muppet, and there is a scene in which he says out loud, “I have never been gay, or even bi.” The scene is already shot, and removing it would disrupt the narrative of the entire season.

Sesame Street kind of mentioned reason No. 1 in its statement on Twitter: “As we have always said, Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves.”

Fair enough. But then they went on to say, “They remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.” This is where you tripped across the finish line, Sesame Street.

Bert and Ernie can’t have a sexual orientation because they’re puppets? But wait—Kermit and Miss Piggy are pretty clearly heterosexual. Pepe the King Prawn is sexually attracted to both muppets and humans. Undoubtedly, Gonzo has eyes for Camilla the Chicken (again, no judgment).

Why is Sesame Street forcing me to contemplate the details of Muppet physiology? I don’t want to know if Muppets have genitals, but I do know Muppets can procreate. In the Muppets Most Wanted song “Something So Right,” Kermit and Miss Piggy sing about their dreams of a life together, with the lyrics describing “a little pink frog and a little green piggy.” The fantasy sequence in the film shows the Muppet children, looking like a perfect genetic mix of both parents.

Is this the world Frank Oz envisions, of soulless plush creatures living in this hellscape where they can eat and breed and feel pain and die, but not fall in love?

If Muppets can’t have a sexual orientation, where do Muppet Babies come from? Where is the line between puppet and creature drawn? Cookie Monster is able to ingest food. Beaker and Gonzo feel pain in their slapstick routines. The Muppets appear to be able to do anything a human can do, except be gay.

In Muppets Most Wanted, Kermit and Miss Piggy plan a wedding, and way back in The Muppets Take Manhattan (directed by Frank Oz), they were actually married. If Muppet marriage is legal, is gay Muppet marriage legal? What does marriage mean to a Muppet? Are these platonic marriages, devoid of attraction or physical love?

Even specifically within the Sesame Street canon, we see Muppet romantic pairings and family units. Elmo has a mother and father, who are married. He has an extended family of aunts, uncles and cousins. In the special episode "When Families Grieve," Elmo visits his Muppet aunt, who is a Muppet widow after the recent death of Elmo’s Uncle Jack.

So, Muppets can die now too? What did he die of? Can a Muppet die in a violent accident? That makes the comedy sketches with Beaker and Dr. Bunsen Honeydew seem a lot grimmer in hindsight. Did Uncle Jack have a Muppet terminal illness? Did he go to Muppet war? (Muppet wars exist, right?)

Is this the world Frank Oz envisions, of soulless plush creatures living in this hellscape where they can eat and breed and feel pain and die, but not fall in love? After hours of arguing on Twitter with fans upset by his statement, Oz finally signed off with one last message: “Thanks for those who tweeted with me. Next time, I would be very interested to know: If Bert and Ernie were indeed gay, would they be different than they are now?”

It’s a good question, Foz. So, why is it so important that they not be?

Link to the article:
https://www.playboy.com/read/bert-ernie-sesame-street-gay

So basically: "People can be friends without wanting or needing sexual "transactions," unless it doesn't benefit my gay fetishist agenda"

Jenny seems to have a bit of self-awarenes and isn't really taking this seriously.
At least one can only hope.

 

[BlueSpark]

and isn't really taking this seriously.

She's a far-left zealot just like the others. Don't be fooled by the persona she portrays to get soyboys to donate to her Patreon.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Is it weird of me to ask why people are writing articles and sperging about the sex lives of The Muppets?

I mean sheesh...go outside and live life a little bit.

 

[Smashing Young Man]

Is it weird of me to ask why people are writing articles and sperging about the sex lives of The Muppets?

I mean sheesh...go outside and live life a little bit.

Such is the world we live in today. I've forced myself not to care any longer. I don't think it's possible to combat this tidal wave of bugfuck crazy.

 

[Medicated]

She's a far-left zealot just like the others. Don't be fooled by the persona she portrays to get soyboys to donate to her Patreon.

She's good at staying on message for her work. But if you are hanging with Lindsay and Contra, you'd better be at least 76% woke. I think Jenny has more deals that she lets on, she always travelling to different themeparks and rides and always showing off the "swag" she bought. Plus shes a 5'2"white girl who lives in cali and theorizes about Disney pairings, it's like the stereotypical tumblr feminist.

 

[LaughingJoke]

She's good at staying on message for her work. But if you are hanging with Lindsay and Contra, you'd better be at least 76% woke. I think Jenny has more deals that she lets on, she always travelling to different themeparks and rides and always showing off the "swag" she bought. Plus shes a 5'2"white girl who lives in cali and theorizes about Disney pairings, it's like the stereotypical tumblr feminist.

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I see pics like these and debates about puppets sexuality and think we had a good run but time for Skynet to take over and us to go bye bye.

 

[iafiv]

I didn't realise puppet sex was such a fetish for these people.The awkward moment when you realise Lindsay probably masturbates to Kermit going down on Miss Piggy.And that is the 'normal' fantasy who knows what she really has in her head.

 

[Medicated]

Though, I have a hard time getting into the mindset of someone who is actually outraged by the idea of it. Even trying to be as fair as I can, I can't really see people throwing around terms like "homosexual agenda" as anything other than virulent homophobia tbh.

Having adults pressure a show for children under 6 making official statements on the sexual orientation of their puppets makes me outraged. Children have no concept of such things. Adults watching Sesame Street every day hoping to catch more Bert and Ernie gay clues to post on Tumblr aren't Sesame Streets audience, and they shouldn't be, they are fucking lunatics as far as I'm concerned. The part that upsets me isn't the "homo" part, it's the "sexual" part.

No different from if people pressured Sesame Street to tell us who Oscar the Grouch was banging in that trashcan. And if I were slightly more paranoid, I'd probably think it was an attempt to groom children through the media they consume.

 

[Grand Lunar]

Having adults pressure a show for children under 6 making official statements on the sexual orientation of their puppets makes me outraged. Children have no concept of such things. Adults watching Sesame Street every day hoping to catch more Bert and Ernie gay clues to post on Tumblr aren't Sesame Streets audience, and they shouldn't be, they are fucking lunatics as far as I'm concerned. The part that upsets me isn't the "homo" part, it's the "sexual" part.

No different from if people pressured Sesame Street to tell us who Oscar the Grouch was banging in that trashcan. And if I were slightly more paranoid, I'd probably think it was an attempt to groom children through the media they consume.

Agreed on the first part, adults "shipping" Sesame Street pairings of any type is weird and kind of creepy.

The part where I'm inclined to disagree with you is that romantic pairings in cartoons aren't inherently sexual. I had my first crush at age 4, and it was on a girl. Obviously there was nothing sexual about that, it was just me showing an innocent interest in the concept of "love" as I had come to understand it. All of the crushes that I had in elementary school were on girls, just because at the time I had never been exposed to the idea that some men form relationships with other men and thought that liking girls was the standard.

I just don't see how anyone can think that a show including a totally innocent male/male or female/female couple is any different than having a male/female couple. I was exposed to those through enough kids' movies that I was already familiar enough with the concept to have a crush on a girl by age 4, and that didn't "groom" me into being straight later in life. The absolute "worst" that could happen is that some kids might develop some innocent crushes on kids of the same gender after having been exposed to this, and that won't matter. I had crushes on girls all the way through elementary school and I still turned out gay. And not to go full SJW, but a lot of us have the misfortune of being born into un-accepting families. Everyone starts to realize that they're gay at a different age, but it's pretty much a necessity that we already be aware of the concept when we do. Otherwise, it makes us think that there's something wrong with us and that we need to be changed.

I'm not accusing you of doing this, but I find the "let's lead a crusade to make sure no gay characters appear in kids' shows ever" side of the aisle just as ridiculous as its inverse.

 

[Atrahasis]

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Oh, Lindsay, stupid Cultural Marxist idealistic you. You should know by now, that a relationship where the two parties don't really nurture or catter to each other isn't genuinely friendship. The Romans were more pragmatic in their perception of it, they considered it under the angle of the patron/client. Marcus Valerius Martialis had nothing to offer but his Epigrams and his wit. He was a miserable among the nobles and yet, still had dirty rich, highly placed friends who valued him. It has to be something mutually benefitial in some ways. If Disney chose to be your patron through some representatives, it's certainly not because of how beautifully you bat your eyelashes or how fast you down a bottle of Jim Beam. If you have something meaningful to provide, you will have friends, ready to return favors in enriching fashion. You know what? Fuck you, you have a (probably overly comprehensive) husband and you still whine as a bitch with your 1st world problems. Many wretches would dig out corpses and eat them to just take your place. Cunt.

Such is the world we live in today. I've forced myself not to care any longer. I don't think it's possible to combat this tidal wave of bugfuck crazy.

We were fucked, long before being even born. As soon as power greedy sponsors and pretentious critics alike began to appropriate Plastic Arts to push their agenda through it. Art is supposed to be about providing a worthlessly pleasant or shocking experience, not being an agitprop tool.

 

[Red Hood]

I didn't realise puppet sex was such a fetish for these people.The awkward moment when you realise Lindsay probably masturbates to Kermit going down on Miss Piggy.And that is the 'normal' fantasy who knows what she really has in her head.

It's only (relatively speaking) "normal" in the context that she used to be on TGWTG with fellow cow Lewis Lovhaug, whose Muppet related fantasies are much more disturbing.

 

[northstar747]

Shouldn' Burt and Ernie be the domain of the asexual along with the rest of children's programing