Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

[LM 697]

is mark waid's lawyer, mark zaid, a clone or of him or something

 

[Red Hood]

I'll bet that Kenny Rogers looking lawyer knows when to hold em...knows when to fold em.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

is mark waid's lawyer, mark zaid, a clone or of him or something

No, he's Rachel Maddow's drag king persona.

 

[Haramburger]

The guy that helped tank his own publisher and was made to quit his job as CFO of IDW would make a great character witness, but not for who he’s rotting for:
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Angry Manlet spotted:
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"Mark Waid, do you need me to be a character witness?"

1. No, not a relevant point in this court case &
2. It would be instantly defused by his thread here, especially the Black Wreath incident.

is mark waid's lawyer, mark zaid, a clone or of him or something

In comic book speak, it's probably his Life Model Decoy courtesy of SHIELD

 

[RockVolnutt]

If you were wondering who the legal experts Nicky Rackets mentions in his video discussing the lolsuit it this guy:
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As pointed when it first happened, "there was nothing stopping him from seeing another publisher!" is nonsense as Meyer was targeted for being Meyer. Do they really expect anyone to believe that if Image or some other publisher deciding to pick him up that the mob and Waid wouldn't go after them next? How many companies need to be muscled for that to be acknowledged or are we going to do the "Motherfucker deserves it" shtick.

This is why you need to carry your thoughts out to their conclusion.

Not a lawyer, but from what I understand they can't use the Sherman because the lawsuit is focused primarily on Waid who is being sued in his personal capacity. Not in his capacity as an employee of Marvel. There is also some debate as to whether he even IS an employee of Marvel rather then just some dude they have a contract with. There is a legal distinction.

Of course this is just the preliminary phase, and we have yet to reach discovery. If it turns out that Marvel execs/management knew about and/or encouraged Waids actions, then they could get sucked into the mess. From what I am seeing though Meyers lawyer wants to run a tight ship and go for what he can reasonably get, as opposed to going full Captain Ahab and hunt a white whale.

It'd be silly to chase after it but considering we had Joe Quesada voice similar opinions and we've had some employees bring up Google Hangouts and such, couldn't it be argued that this Autism Jihad is "Unofficially officially supported by Marvel Entertainment"? Fuck if I know how deep the rabbit hole goes but it's interesting how heads of the company agree though we haven't heard them comment on Waid's actions.

Even if he's a freelancer, we're talking about an old guy with a history of histrionic tantrums that flew off the handle while working in a work environment that seemingly likes going "this guy is bad and deserves bad things to happen to him". Not that this has to do with this particular case, I'm just saying Marvel was clearly creating an environment where someone was eventually going to go too far.

 

[AprilRains]

One good idea got edited out of the thread: @Splendid Meat Sticks proposed that a lawyer write up a sticky for this subforum that includes stuff like I posted earlier about the difference between civil and criminal proceedings. It's come up before here and it'll come up again, and I'm not a lawyer so I'm not the best choice for that. It's a good idea.

 

[mindlessobserver]

For anyone interested in a 2 hour long dive into the minutia of this drama fest.

 

[Haramburger]

One good idea got edited out of the thread: @Splendid Meat Sticks proposed that a lawyer write up a sticky for this subforum that includes stuff like I posted earlier about the difference between civil and criminal proceedings. It's come up before here and it'll come up again, and I'm not a lawyer so I'm not the best choice for that. It's a good idea.

Laywers only have two viable specs, "jewish min/maxer" & the alternative "right-leaning opportunist" builds. Hpefully one of the latter steps up because free legal advice & FAQs are not for goyim. Pro bono, just lol

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

As pointed when it first happened, "there was nothing stopping him from seeing another publisher!" is nonsense as Meyer was targeted for being Meyer. Do they really expect anyone to believe that if Image or some other publisher deciding to pick him up that the mob and Waid wouldn't go after them next? How many companies need to be muscled for that to be acknowledged or are we going to do the "Motherfucker deserves it" shtick.

This is why you need to carry your thoughts out to their conclusion.

This is true, but if I'm understanding this correctly, the relevant threshold was crossed well before that. Even if Ya Boi had been been able to turn around and find another publisher instantly, and Jawbreakers had subsequently been published without a hitch, there was still a contract with Antarctic, and Waid still interfered with it, which is cause for civil action. It would presumably be a weaker civil action, since Zack would have been significantly less harmed, but still actionable.

I mean, sure, perhaps there's some indie publisher with titanium balls and freon in his veins living in Nome, Alaska, who would have told Waid to deep-throat him when the fat soyboy inevitably tried to get him to drop Jawbreakers. But the offense is committed well before that: Meyer shouldn't have to scour the country to find a publisher who won't bow to mean girl tactics from his competitors in order to get his book published. If you have a valid contract with someone, outside parties have no right to interfere with it, no matter how much they don't like you as a person. And if that person is a competitor- like, say, another comic book author in this case- then they have less than no right to interfere in your contract.

As always, I defer to actual law people if anything I'm saying here is :dumb:.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

It took me five minutes to realize "Mark Waid" and "Mark Zaid" were different people.

Anyway, looks good but it'll take months to bear delicious fruit.

 

[Fervent Champion]

My gut is telling me that this is likely to settle out of court and both sides will claim to have won.

 

[RockVolnutt]

My gut is telling me that this is likely to settle out of court and both sides will claim to have won.

I kinda believe that's not really an option for Waid. If still goes after Zack then he's risking getting into shit again and if he says anything apologetic then he just nuked his career with a hundred "MARK WAID SUPPORTS COMICSGATE" articles. This environment doesn't really support backing down.

 

[NickColeman]

It's ya boy Zack here typing up this comic book lolsuit.

 

[Judge Dredd]

This one is going to be fun just because comics pros love to autistically sperg on twitter. Both sides of the argument no less. Personally though I cannot wait to see SJWs realize that their Twitter mobs can have real world consequences. For them.

There's a quote from the late Ryan Davis. "Real life consequences for internet bullshit."

During a convention, Ryan made a tweet in good fun about someone smoking pot in one of the rooms. After a nap, he found out that the staff of the hotel had somehow found his tweet (he didn't use a tag or @), and had taken action. At the time this kind of thing was rare. These days it happens a lot and lots of people take it for granted.

Waid (and many SJW types) are in for a huge wake up call when their stupid internet activism with the occasional protest LARP actually has consequences.

A few more notes regarding common related errors:

• Any reference to "innocent until proven guilty" is not relevant. That is not the standard for civil suits.
• There is no prosector. There is a plaintiff, who has a lawyer. The state is not obliged to supply the defendant with a lawyer, although in some cases a defendant can get free representation.
• Nobody is going to jail over this suit, nor will anyone cop a plea, nor are there "charges". The suit alleges various civil wrongs, which are provided for in law or by precedent.
• There will be no grand jury, no indictment.

These errors arise all the time in threads like this. Thought I'd head it off at the pass, especially since you are being so thick.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is kind of how it works though. I assume you have more legal knowledge than me, but surely you have to make a case as to why the defendant owes you money?

As for not going to jail. You can go to jail for not paying fines or other court ordered payments I think. Obviously Waid would pay, and even if he doesn't they could take it from his wages or send the bailiffs round. But it is possible in some countries.

 

[damian]

I hope someone livestreams/records the court case. It’d be mostly boring but, the chance of seeing Waid chimpout in court and be escorted out by security, is something that gives me a

Is it legal to livestream/record a case like this? (I’m thinking the answer is no, but I’m still )

Legal Kiwis
please respond

 

[AprilRains]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is kind of how it works though. I assume you have more legal knowledge than me, but surely you have to make a case as to why the defendant owes you money?

I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that the standard in a civil trial is preponderance of the evidence. That is a lesser burden to meet. It's why O.J. Simpson could be found not guilty in a criminal trial, but could be found civilly liable for the murders based on mostly the same evidence.

As for not going to jail. You can go to jail for not paying fines or other court ordered payments I think. Obviously Waid would pay, and even if he doesn't they could take it from his wages or send the bailiffs round. But it is possible in some countries.

Yes, but that would be a separate proceeding. It is a crime to disobey a court order. This is a civil trial.

 

[MysteriousStranger]

It looks like Zack's lawyer is keeping this clean and simple. The claims are all but irrefutable, thanks to Waid's big mouth.

I'll be especially interested in Antarctic's deposition. According to Zack, the owner was in tears on the phone breaking the contract. According to Antarctic's lackey on social media at the same time, "nah, it's no big, we just changed our minds, nothing to do with Mark Waid." What story will they tell the judge?

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

I stayed away from all this comic stuff but I do love lawsuit salt. Rackets sure seems animated over this one.

A lawyer that specializes in "TORT LAW"? My lord, who could have ever heard of such a thing?

The guy that helped tank his own publisher and was made to quit his job as CFO of IDW would make a great character witness, but not for who he’s rotting for:
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Nothing helps defend the idea that you're conspiring to make someone unemployable through exploiting connections to a monopoly like... calling everyone else you conspired with to back you up in court?

 

[andr0id psycho sho(ker]

I stayed away from all this comic stuff but I do love lawsuit salt. Rackets sure seems animated over this one.

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A lawyer that specializes in "TORT LAW"? My lord, who could have ever heard of such a thing?

Perhaps this lawyer is just telling Mark Waid what he wants to hear. That's almost certainly what happened with LanDUI in the maddox lawsuit. I have a feeling Waid would be stupid or gullible enough to fall for it to.

 

[HG 400]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is kind of how it works though.

In civil court it's "Innocent until it looks like you're probably guilty".