"But it's only a fantasy!" - Furry, Shota, Loli, [insert weird shit here]

[Khayyam]

"But it's not real"

What do you guys make of the claim that it's acceptable to draw and otherwise "use" pornographic material that were it a photograph would be illegal.

It seems relevant with the Zoosadism thread, and it's an argument I've seen and had a few times. Sodomizing dead puppies is bad, but art of someone sodomizing dead puppies is an acceptable fantasy.

I see no reason for such a distinction personally. If you jerk off to Loli then congratulations, you're a pedophile who is still getting off of the same trigger. It extends to furry in turn and all such similar fetishes that would be illegal to perform in reality.

Your thoughts?

 

[NIGGO KILLA]

call them a fagoot

if they try to justify it/use mental gymnastics to make it seem normal call them a double fagoot

 

[ThePurpleProse]

If you jerk off to Loli then congratulations, you're a pedophile who is still getting off of the same trigger

I don't know man, one is cartoon little girls, the other is the live action, I can't decipher what's inside the head of a loli lover or a furry but sure as fuck it's unacceptable when someone can't draw a line between fantasy and reality.

 

[Carcinogenesis]

My genuine opinion is mixed. It all relies on whether or not it stays fantasy. If a lolicon/shotacon is just in to drawn pictures of anime children, so be it. They're still sick for sexualizing children, but no real children are harmed. If it escalates though, someone's going to have to take a seat right over there.

 

[ComputerWife]

Certain things are a weird but pretty harmless fantasy, like magic transformation, giant women, ect.

Cranking it to a sexually framed picture of an animu 6 year old is some freak shit because there’s no fantasy there. It’s just a child; Same with zoophillia. Neither of those can ever be consentual, which is just frosting on the deviant cake.

 

[PT 404]

Wow, a topic that has never been discussed before!

 

[gachacunt]

Yeah, I agree with you. If it's weird fetishes like I 'unno. Inflation or vore, then that's one thing. Though weird, if they involve explicitly adult characters then I don't think it's a huge deal.

But if you're crunking your jank to a twelve year old "" loli "" or fucking cub porn, there's no excuse for that. You're getting off to the concept of a prepubescent child in deviant positions — even if it's fictional.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Sure it’s a fantasy and fiction shouldn’t be a crime but on the other hand lots of autistic perverts seem to have problems discerning reality from fantasy.

 

[sperginity]

Every time someone jerks off to disturbing material they strengthen the neural pathway that associates the porn with sexual gratification. It's not a smart thing to train your brain to find antisocial acts attractive rather than, say, consenting adults. The fetish material works less well over time and escalates. There are lots of resources to retrain the brain to redirect urges towards other things. It only really works on people who feel bad about their fetish and want to stop. Unfortunately I think they're in the minority, most guys consuming extreme violent fetish porn are sociopaths, and there's no treatment for it.

The other issue is how the proliferation of drawn pornography has made it easier floor children to be exposed to it, search algorithms for cartoon characters have a hard time distinguishing between innocent cartoons and adult materials.

I would ultimately conclude that drawn pornography involving anti social fetishes is something that should be okay in theory, but more complicated in practice.

 

[Slap47]

I don't see how its different from murder in videogames. The line between fantasy and reality is pretty clear cut for most sane people.

I really doubt the sociologists that suggest that people who play shooters are somehow master riflemen who are prone to use violence to solve everything.

 

[Rev]

Short answer:

Spoiler: Long answer

Furry may be weird, but I don't think it should be compared to Loli or Shorta
In the case of loli, ofc its not nearly as bad as real cp.
And I don't think everyone who likes loli is a pedo
Ive come to realize that some people (like op) aren't able to separate morality for fiction. Some people enjoy very violent video games (shit like Manhunt). Most these people aren't actually serial killers, but when they play video games, they set their morality aside. And some people are horrified by these types of games because they cant set their morality aside, even if its fiction.
I think its the same way with fetishes. To enjoy immoral shit, you have to temporally set your morality to the side.
As for why an adult would even be turned on by anime kids, hey, sexuality can be really weird. Some straight men are into traps and futa. I have a rape/incest fetish but the thought of doing either irl makes me want to throw up. Some things that we find sexy in a fantasy disgusts us irl. So by that logic, I think its possible that some lolicons may not actually be pedos. And even if they all are pedos, isn't it better that they jack off to lolis instead of diddling real kids?

 

[Lopt]

The fact that someone can post yiff or lolishit online and the reaction is typically just ew gross, whereas posting irl beastiality and child porn will get MUCH stronger reactions shows that everyone views them as inherently different. Lesser of two evils and all that, since while it's still repulsive on so many, many levels, no one is getting harmed in the former and to say that jacking it to a fucked up drawing is just as bad as raping a puppy to death (or jacking it to images of real life abuse) is delusional, though I certainly see where the concern comes from. Overall, I do see 2d as a gateway to 3d but following that analogy there's plenty of people that smoke weed without ever trying other drugs.

 

[4000saladplates]

Loli seems like a weak attempt to skirt around cp. You can say "oh it's fictional" all you want, but the end of the day, you're still jerking it to the thought of children
I wouldn't say it's like video game violence though, since you hopefully don't get off to that.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

However fucked up it might be, I don't really see who the victim is.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Every time someone jerks off to disturbing material they strengthen the neural pathway that associates the porn with sexual gratification. It's not a smart thing to train your brain to find antisocial acts attractive rather than, say, consenting adults. The fetish material works less well over time and escalates. There are lots of resources to retrain the brain to redirect urges towards other things. It only really works on people who feel bad about their fetish and want to stop. Unfortunately I think they're in the minority, most guys consuming extreme violent fetish porn are sociopaths, and there's no treatment for it.

The other issue is how the proliferation of drawn pornography has made it easier floor children to be exposed to it, search algorithms for cartoon characters have a hard time distinguishing between innocent cartoons and adult materials.

I would ultimately conclude that drawn pornography involving anti social fetishes is something that should be okay in theory, but more complicated in practice.

the people over at r/nofap and r/noporn are convinced that you can make yourself an autogynephile by watching too much sissy hypno, or bisexual similarly, and if you stop watching porn/jerking off you'll return to being a regular straight dude. I'm not sure how much I believe this is true, but a lot of people report it happening to them.

 

[spurger king]

It's literally fine as long as the persons depicted only look underage. There's a big difference between an actual loli and a 700 year old sorceress who is merely diguising herself as a child for example.

the people over at r/nofap and r/noporn are convinced that you can make yourself an autogynephile by watching too much sissy hypno, or bisexual similarly, and if you stop watching porn/jerking off you'll return to being a regular straight dude. I'm not sure how much I believe this is true, but a lot of people report it happening to them.

I think there's an element of truth to this. Even vanilla guy/girl porn is actually first person cuck porn. It's best to just avoid that shit altogether and just fap to static images.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

It's literally fine as long as the persons depicted only look underage. There's a big difference between an actual loli and a 700 year old sorceress who is merely diguising herself as a child for example.



I think there's an element of truth to this. Even vanilla guy/girl porn is actually first person cuck porn. It's best to just avoid that shit altogether and just fap to static images.

or use your imagination, but I guess that won't work for all the autists with aphantasia who populate r/nofap.

 

[Slap47]

It's literally fine as long as the persons depicted only look underage. There's a big difference between an actual loli and a 700 year old sorceress who is merely diguising herself as a child for example.

I don't see how that matters. Fantasy is fantasy.

 

[spurger king]

Fantasy is fantasy.

Sexualizing children is still sexualizing children even if they are just drawings. It's much less bad than being an actual kid fucker but there is still something wrong with you if pre-pubescent girls turn you on.

 

[sperginity]

the people over at r/nofap and r/noporn are convinced that you can make yourself an autogynephile by watching too much sissy hypno, or bisexual similarly, and if you stop watching porn/jerking off you'll return to being a regular straight dude. I'm not sure how much I believe this is true, but a lot of people report it happening to them.

There's probably some predisposition
To that involved, like some people would never become AGPs under those circumstances, but perhaps there are guys who would not have developed AGP without access to that pornography. paraphilias are really fucking complicated and no one can really account for all of the reported experiences wrt nature vs nurture. Guys spending time on nofap to deal with this problem would have to be very dedicated to be trolling (or deep in denial), I'm inclined to believe that some of them are telling the truth about their issues.