Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Hatoful Dandy]

“I think the character is incredibly important, maybe now more than ever,” Ms. Thompson said.

Gee, I wonder where they're going with that...

Also: Seven relaunches in the past 5 years!!

 

[AnOminous]

He's still fucked either way but not backing down means he keeps "acceptance" from his peers which apparently is the most important thing in the industry.

Bullshit. He will do whatever the fuck the Mouse says and he will like it.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Bullshit. He will do whatever the fuck the Mouse says and he will like it.

Which again, is a "Waid is fucked" outcome. I don't know how much the Mouse is eyeing this case but the scenarios I was giving was assuming they don't butt in. If he doesn't win then these "friends" of his will cannibalize him.

But yes, Waid is indeed fucked and Mickey will be happy. Unless anybody can think up a "Waid loses but still kept around and respected" scenario that I'm not seeing.

 

[MidUSA]

I said this before in the thread on the case but I'm not entirely sure Waid could apologize. Keep in mind how anti-Meyer people in the industry are to the point that Quesada came out with the usual talking points. A Waid who apologizes is a a Waid who gets tons of "Mark Waid is now Comicsgate" articles and never gets to write a comic again. Also unlikely he'd be able to keep his mouth shut and even then, he'd get the harpies.

He's still fucked either way but not backing down means he keeps "acceptance" from his peers which apparently is the most important thing in the industry. I could see him preferring to go out like that rather than getting fucked by the monster of the industry's own creation.

Only outcome that works for him is winning the case.

Bullshit. He will do whatever the fuck the Mouse says and he will like it.

That's what I'm thinking.

An apology would be devastating to Waid's sense of dignity and crush all the false bravado and righteousness he's has managed to persuade himself he has, and he's probably delusional enough to think he'll win the case because "muh nazi harrasser". His lawyer however, has presumably already started to educate him about what a dire legal situation he's actually in. And if Disney wants him to settle in order to not risk this damaging the Marvel brand, I imagine they can 'persuade' him quite effectively.

Indeed Waid would get turned on by the shrieking SJW's, but it's not like Disney cares two bits about Waid's standing in the comics industry. He'd be pretty much finished in the industry, but if he goes against the wishes of Disney, surely he's finished either way?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

That's what I'm thinking.

An apology would be devastating to Waid's sense of dignity and crush all the false bravado and righteousness he's has managed to persuade himself he has, and he's probably delusional enough to think he'll win the case because "muh nazi harrasser". His lawyer however, has presumably already started to educate him about what a dire legal situation he's actually in. And if Disney wants him to settle in order to not risk this damaging the Marvel brand, I imagine they can 'persuade' him quite effectively.

Indeed Waid would get turned on by the shrieking SJW's, but it's not like Disney cares two bits about Waid's standing in the comics industry. He'd be pretty much finished in the industry, but if he goes against the wishes of Disney, surely he's finished either way?

Yeah, expecting someone employed by Disney to just ignore the MMM (Mickey Mouse Mafia) and get away with it is hilariously naive. Disney has been absolutely ruthless when it comes to putting down dissidents ever since Dreamworks.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

We know the mouses ears are turning slowly to marvel entertainments woes. Generally and despite it's near Monopoly the house o mouse doesn't run a stranglehold on its subsidiaries and has a hideous aversion to this practise after Eisener nearly sank the whole damn boat in the 90s. As such the subsidiaries enjoy lots of creative freedom and the mouse is relatively light touch in it's management...

Until they fuck up.

When you fuck up the central people get involved and they ain't nice people. They don't care about who you are or feelings they give you decision making over your division so they don't have to meaning when they arrive to fix your screwups you'd better pray you have a plan in hand already. Because they are NOT happy to be there.

Take for example Kathleen Kennedy. Fresh from nearly sinking star wars as a brand has been given just three years to turn shit around. Meaning she has ONE movie and a TV show to turn things around in or her contract doesn't get renewed. Rian Johnson is unlikely to be given any more directing gigs for star wars either.

Now imagine if the board finally gets wind of this shit and it's revealed there's a cabal inside a mouse subsidiary denying people entry to the market no matter how niche.

The firings and non contract renewals would be so fast we'd probably struggle to see it with the naked eye.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Eisener

Who?

 

[ColorfulCassowary]

The beatings will continue until morale improves:
Captain Marvel to Get New Comic Series Ahead of Big-Screen Debut
By George Gene Gustines Oct. 2, 2018 (https://archive.fo/IjkCo)


For those keeping count, this is the 7th relaunch of this character (without counting one-shots/tie-ins):
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/42671/captain_marvel_2012_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/49018/captain_marvel_2014_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/56583/captain_marvel_2016_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/61426/the_mighty_captain_marvel_2017_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/64961/the_mighty_captain_marvel_2017_125
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/69730/the_life_of_captain_marvel_2018_1
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Fuck me with a ten foot pole, that's not even counting the male captain marvels. How many would it be overall?

 

[RockVolnutt]

Fuck me with a ten foot pole, that's not even counting the male captain marvels. How many would it be overall?

If we're counting Monica too, that adds an extra 6 times (?) a Captain Marvel ongoing has been attempted. So 13 times since 1967 over five different characters to have used the name and 7 attempts of those being Carol within the last 5 years.

So I mean the previous ones don't really make much of a difference when over half of these attempts centered around Carol Danvers and all happened in under a decade.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Unless anybody can think up a "Waid loses but still kept around and respected" scenario that I'm not seeing.

As I mentioned in the lolsuit thread, I do think it's likely that Waid will come out of this with a minimal fine and paint himself as a martyr. He'll have supporters to frame this as a modern-day Scopes monkey trial where the law says he lost but the moral victory is his.

 

[RodgerDodger]

The beatings will continue until morale improves:
Captain Marvel to Get New Comic Series Ahead of Big-Screen Debut
By George Gene Gustines Oct. 2, 2018 (https://archive.fo/IjkCo)


For those keeping count, this is the 7th relaunch of this character (without counting one-shots/tie-ins):
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/42671/captain_marvel_2012_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/49018/captain_marvel_2014_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/56583/captain_marvel_2016_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/61426/the_mighty_captain_marvel_2017_1
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/64961/the_mighty_captain_marvel_2017_125
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/69730/the_life_of_captain_marvel_2018_1
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Not counting her three launches/relaunches as Ms. Marvel. None of which made it past 25 issues.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

Who?

He was basically the head of Disney from the mid 80's to the mid 2000's. He did a very poor job of managing certain parts of the company to say the least.

 

[damian]

Richard Pace - KickStarter Scammer:

Judging from the updates/comments pages on his KS, he was very active while the funding portion of his project was still ongoing:

Spoiler: Updates

Spoiler: Comments

After he completed the funding portion, he lost interest and the frequency in updates to his backers started to slow down to a crawl:

He stopped responding to comments around this time:

Spoiler

One backer managed to get him to give an excuse (outside of KS) for why he's so late:

He later made an Update after a year of silence:

Obviously, he will now get to work on fulfilling those pledges, right? :

Spoiler: Nope

It was around this time that Comicsgate started butting heads with Pace and they would use Pace's unfulfilled KS to discredit his claims of the CG-backed IGGs were scams and so on. After getting shamed with it for a couple weeks he finally made an Update to his backers. 4 Years since his last Update "For backer only" obviously :

Richard is a good artist, he's just a massive asshole. I'm making this post just to show that in the topic of "Crowdfunding Projects", he should be ignored and mocked for scamming his backers.

Richard Pace

Twitter: https://twitter.com/rpace
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/richard.pace.792
ArtStation: https://www.artstation.com/richardpace
KickStarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/243085932
Google +: https://plus.google.com/+RichardPaceReddit:
Comic Book DB: http://www.comicbookdb.com/creator.php?ID=369
Inactive or Abandoned:
Tumblr: http://www.tumblr.com/blog/burningmonster
DeviantArt: http://richardpace.deviantart.com/
Website: http://richardpace.daportfolio.com/
Blogspot: http://burningmonster.blogspot.com/

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

He was basically the head of Disney from the mid 80's to the mid 2000's. He did a very poor job of managing certain parts of the company to say the least.

This guy?

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

This guy?

Yes, him. I'd recommend checking out the Defunctland episode on Euro Disney to see how his management nearly fucked everything up there.

 

[RockVolnutt]

As I mentioned in the lolsuit thread, I do think it's likely that Waid will come out of this with a minimal fine and paint himself as a martyr. He'll have supporters to frame this as a modern-day Scopes monkey trial where the law says he lost but the moral victory is his.

Maybe and that'd be a dumb argument since it makes you ask "What moral victory?" as Waid didn't win anything. He would've called Meyer a Nazi like a dozen others. A moral victory still requires you to prove something and at the end of the day, the industry would still be shrinking partly due to dangerhairs who don't get economics.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

This guy?

Yep. You can lay a lot of Disney's worst failures at his feet. Euro Disney? Him. Club Disney? Him. DisneyQuest? California Adventure (and the trainwreck that was "Superstar Limo")? The failed DisneySea in Anaheim? All him.
Like @Stock Image Photographer said, I'd check out Defunctland on YouTube to learn more. Basically half of the Disney projects covered on there boil down to "And then Micheal Eisner fucked everything up for everyone."

 

[ColorfulCassowary]

If we're counting Monica too, that adds an extra 6 times (?) a Captain Marvel ongoing has been attempted. So 13 times since 1967 over five different characters to have used the name and 7 attempts of those being Carol within the last 5 years.

So I mean the previous ones don't really make much of a difference when over half of these attempts centered around Carol Danvers and all happened in under a decade.

There's a point where you gotta realize you have something that just won't stick, no matter how hard you try. I admire their Glass Joe esque persistence, but there's a point where you just gotta let poor Carol go.

I get why they're pushing her so much: they want their own Wonder Woman, since all the female heroes Stan Lee created in the 60's A) started out terrible (tho they got better as time went on), B) were a part of teams so they couldn't have their own solo series, and C) are currently owned by other people, save the Wasp. I mean, Rogue and Storm are pretty good characters, and again, those characters from the 60's got better, but they never really had the same punch as Wondy.

All this trouble, completely erasing a legacy character that has been around since the 60's, just so they can have their very own strong independent womxyzn.

 

[Übertroon]

Yep. You can lay a lot of Disney's worst failures at his feet. Euro Disney? Him. Club Disney? Him. DisneyQuest? California Adventure (and the trainwreck that was "Superstar Limo")? The failed DisneySea in Anaheim? All him.
Like @Stock Image Photographer said, I'd check out Defunctland on YouTube to learn more. Basically half of the Disney projects covered on there boil down to "And then Micheal Eisner fucked everything up for everyone."

Eisner had some success as well though, he managed to revitalize the movie business which had been in a bad spot in the decades before Eisner was brought in, and put in place the groundwork for the future Disney media empire, although the societal benefit of that one is a matter of debate.
The person who is now CEO was also hand picked by Eisner, but I mean, it was obvious you couldn't let the goyim back in front of the steering wheel.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

There's a point where you gotta realize you have something that just won't stick, no matter how hard you try. I admire their Glass Joe esque persistence, but there's a point where you just gotta let poor Carol go.

I get why they're pushing her so much: they want their own Wonder Woman, since all the female heroes Stan Lee created in the 60's A) started out terrible (tho they got better as time went on), B) were a part of teams so they couldn't have their own solo series, and C) are currently owned by other people, save the Wasp. I mean, Rogue and Storm are pretty good characters, and again, those characters from the 60's got better, but they never really had the same punch as Wondy.

All this trouble, completely erasing a legacy character that has been around since the 60's, just so they can have their very own strong independent womxyzn.

You also realize as well that they're trying to establish their use of the name Captain Marvel so that the more venerable and beloved Captain Marvel - a DC property - can't use it? They've been doing that for years, and have given the name to quite a few characters in all that time too.