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[ulsterscotsman]

Fucking only Andy "lazy boomer" Warski could take an hour to forward bloody emails.

 

[Terran Wraith]

YouTubers abusing their popularity for a quick buck?
What a shocker!

 

[Ghostse]

Oh for sure, but even a lot of the NEETs shilling stuff should actually shill for something related to their channel and do the basic research.

Depends. Maybe your audience is a demographic a company that is outside of your expertise wants to market to?
What if Louis was approached by a company that makes, say, foam standing mats. He's not a doctor, he doesn't know anything about muscular-skeletal disorders. "These mats reduced back disorders by 30% in a trial". Shit seems legit, maybe they send him one, he stands on it and it feels comfortable. Any reasonable person would do the same.
Its not reasonable to expect him to read the trial, and discover that buried deep in the research methodology discover they selected only people who were already showing recovery from back pain. It not reasonable to expect him to have gone out, interviewed chiaropractors, and discovered on his own that hey, no, this thing will eventually cause your C-7 to disintegrate.

It would be very easy for your handler to give you a demo, write off the negative reviews as complainers, and you to be fooled. I don't think its a reasonable expectation for some youtuber to do a full consumer reports product test on every shill offer that comes their way.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Null's on Andy's Show right now.

 

[DefunctChip]

Reminds me a lot of ProctorU, an online test proctoring site sponsored by a lot of colleges with a reputation for proctors yelling at single moms whose kids happen to wander into their eyesight while taking tests. Only this is a lot more despicable since its directly and uniquely preying only on the mentally unstable, depressed, and anxious. And no one is easier to mislead and deceive than that specific group of people.

Bit of a powerlevel here, I've considered getting help from therapy groups online before but always relented back to irl therapists. Discussion of such personal matters just isn't something that feels appropriate for a situation that can be so easily copied, recorded, and shared with other people. And any online situation regarding therapy is exactly that. Therapists share a very unique sort of control over their patients in that when visiting a therapist, we are led to believe that they understand the mind well enough to guide both theirs and our own. No one without qualifications should be even attempting genuine licensed therapy, and that's considering that even irl therapists can be a real hit and miss.

All that said I'm not really surprised that something like this popped up and scammed people. We're in a modern climate of 'self-diagnosis' and speed medicine where everyone wants an answer to their problem as soon as humanly possible. It was an inevitability that someone would try to make a supposedly quicker, cheaper version of therapy and it was also inevitable that it would be a sucky scam.

 

[Gandalf the Swole]

Depends. Maybe your audience is a demographic a company that is outside of your expertise
What if Louis was approached by a company that makes, say, foam standing mats. He's not a doctor, he doesn't know anything about muscular-skeletal disorders. "These mats reduced back disorders by 30% in a trial". Shit seems legit, maybe they send him one, he stands on it and it feels comfortable. Any reasonable person would do the same.
Its not reasonable to expect him to read the trial, and discover that buried deep in the research methodology discover they selected only people who were already showing recovery from back pain. It not reasonable to expect him to have gone out, interviewed chiaropractors, and discovered on his own that hey, no, this thing will eventually cause your C-7 to disintegrate.

It would be very easy for your handler to give you a demo, write off the negative reviews as complainers, and you to be fooled. I don't think its a reasonable expectation for some youtuber to do a full consumer reports product test on every shill offer that comes their way.

I think the shilling part is where a ton of YouTuber's now have "depression" when there was no mention of it before.
But now that they are getting paid it's "Guys I am so sad, but this website helps". Nice little mix of ebegging and shilling. x2combo

 

[Atrahasis]

Wow, I thought youtubers learnt their lesson after the Candid app's debacle. Is the perspective to make shekels too enticing to even investigate about the sponsor, before signing a contract?

I find it funny that the scandal touches the news analyst DeFranco, right after Mundane Matt tripped on the carpet with Candid. You know, these people aren't simple vloggers or youtubers posting cat reaction vids... Looking in depth into matter should be their knack. This shit severely hurts cred to anything pretending to be alternative media outlet.

....
Thanks for the informative thread =)

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Unfortunately, this controversy will soon just fade away, only to be remembered by autists such as us.

Just like almost every other Internet controversy involving big-name YouTubers.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

Honestly what surprises me more than this revelation is all the people in this thread saying "I was thinking about giving this a try"

Like... why do you need psychiatric help? Are you guys actually fucking nuts or are you just massive pussies who overblow your "mental health issues"?

Yeah it is weird.
but For some reason, sites like this always attract a good chunk of people who have issues themselves.

 

[Ghostse]

I think the shilling part is where a ton of YouTuber's now have "depression" when there was no mention of it before.
But now that they are getting paid it's "Guys I am so sad, but this website helps". Nice little mix of ebegging and shilling. x2combo

Or talking about their depression when they hadn't before. Yeah, that's fair to be angry about.
I guess I can't relate to that, as when I've seen ads for this, its never someone who chose right then was the time to reveal they have crippling depress for srs guise, they just took some time to shill for this place that offers facetime therapy. I guess I'm also not a sadbrains and figured "Online therapy eh? I bet that's effect as it sounds". I didn't expect to be this right about it.

I would also say there's a distinction between someone mentioning in their video "Hey, if you need counseling, here's an option to consider" and ones who went above beyond with the full "Life was pointless and I wanted to just end it all, but then BetterHelp made me realize life was worth living and now everything is great I'm not sad and my penis is gigantic" pitch.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

And a good portion of these shills are people that I've subscribed to, and I am very disappointed at their lack of integrity and/or ability to question advertisers. I haven't lost respect for any of them (yet; I can very easily separate art from artist), mainly because I do feel that this "(Scam) Shill Problem" is a greater problem for 2010s era YouTube as a whole, not limited to any specific content creator, time frame, or YouTube network.

 

[AltisticRight]

As spergy as Andy can be, he did uncover some stuffs, what we know so far:

• Those review videos consist of people reading a fucking script. One exceptional reviewer started the video with "Julian says"... fucking hell. This person needs 837364 more sessions...
• Information regarding to https://www.influencelogic.com/ found, wait for Doc. Josh's post.
• This seems like nothing but a viral marketing campaign selling snakeoil, coming from a silicon valley type Jew that lives in Sunnyvale, CA. They are now preying on people with depression for shekelz.
• The reviews Alon Matas posts on his Facebook are likely all fake as well. The facebook page of the app appears to have reviews disabled.
• Andy is a fucking idiot, he has been charged $1800+ already, fucking lol. Boomer.

For those who have been scammed and who are viewing this thread, the money can likely be taken back. Contact your bank.
Personal experience:

I signed up to one of those fake ebook websites when I was in high school, and got charged $70. The dumb teenager me was able to get the money back, it did take a month for the bank to sort shit out. Simply call up the bank and provide them the details, be as informative as possible.

 

[Slap47]

Started wondering about this when I heard a therapist from the service was babbling about YouTubers being sociopaths on Shane Dawson's channel, which I shouldn't have to say is extremely unprofessional in every way. Sad, but not shocked, to learn it's all a scam taking advantage of really vulnerable people.

Anyway, here's a Tumblrina's experience:
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It's not even an inclusive scam!
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Anybody involved that actually covers this will probably take the sjw angle to muddy the waters.

 

[hambeerlyingnreed]

It's not even an inclusive scam!
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TBH, if they're shilling themselves as being LGBT positive, they should have at least some trans awareness. This kind of oversight just shows they tried to put as many buzzwords in their description as possible to grab more customers.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Anybody involved that actually covers this will probably take the sjw angle to muddy the waters.

And that is quite unfortunate.

 

[vhstape]

As spergy as Andy can be, he did uncover some stuffs, what we know so far:

• Those review videos consist of people reading a fucking script. One exceptional reviewer started the video with "Julian says"... fucking hell. This person needs 837364 more sessions...
• Information regarding to https://www.influencelogic.com/ found, wait for Doc. Josh's post.
• This seems like nothing but a viral marketing campaign selling snakeoil, coming from a silicon valley type Jew that lives in Sunnyvale, CA. They are now preying on people with depression for shekelz.
• The reviews Alon Matas posts on his Facebook are likely all fake as well. The facebook page of the app appears to have reviews disabled.
• Andy is a fucking idiot, he has been charged $1800+ already, fucking lol. Boomer.

For those who have been scammed and who are viewing this thread, the money can likely be taken back. Contact your bank.

Influencelogic had the most sponsorships for betterhelp by far, so not shocking some more shit with them

 

[Traditional Tet]

I'm disappointed OP. I already knew most of that info from the Memology videos, which you should have IMMEDIATELY linked and cited right at the start...

 

[Ghostse]

ng this thread, the money can likely be taken back. Contact your bank.
Personal experience:

Spoiler: Bit of Powerlevel

I signed up to one of those fake ebook websites when I was in high school, and got charged $70. The dumb teenager me was able to get the money back, it did take a month for the bank to sort shit out. Simply call up the bank and provide them the details, be as informative as possible.

If you've been scammed and they didn't deliver, file a charge back for lack of service.
If you've actually been scammed, its important to do this even if you don't care about the money: enough chargebacks will get them suspended from their payment gateway. In addition to removing their ability to scam people, they will explain themselves to their gateway (or find a new one) and usually results in them having to at least update their ToS to make it clearer about what level of service people can actually expect.

 

[Clones of Alex Jones]

I hope there's blow back because of this bullshit since there wasn't much right after candid.

 

[vhstape]

I hope there's blow back because of this bullshit since there wasn't much right after candid.

this one has far bigger names which could mean a bigger backlash or more dumb fans making excuses