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Sam Losco said:
Yeah, I don't think there is really a scam here. Just an online service that has some problems, like most. I think it all just appears shitty because of the slimy marketing and obvious shilling on youtube.
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I 100% believe this is a datamining operation. Facebook says that depressed young adults are more vulnerable to advertising when they feel particularly worthless. Their privacy policy allows BetterHelp to sell your talks with therapists.
 
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Null said:
I 100% believe this is a datamining operation. Facebook says that depressed young adults are more vulnerable to advertising when they feel particularly worthless. Their privacy policy allows BetterHelp to sell your talks with therapists.
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If this isn't datamining depressed twelve year olds, I'd have a lot of questions for Alon Matas and them fresh new google glasses.
 
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I forgot to check out the attachments Andy sent me. These are what was sent to him. Boring stuff, the most interesting stuff comes from the talking points PDF.
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I was watching a philly d video and I remember during one of his shill bits for this site I remeber hearing the "live better with the internet" talking point. God this feels so slimy.
 
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Null said:
I 100% believe this is a datamining operation. Facebook says that depressed young adults are more vulnerable to advertising when they feel particularly worthless. Their privacy policy allows BetterHelp to sell your talks with therapists.
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Ah ok, I haven't read through their TOS or anything. Yeah, almost certainly then they are datamining.
 
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Null said:
I 100% believe this is a datamining operation. Facebook says that depressed young adults are more vulnerable to advertising when they feel particularly worthless. Their privacy policy allows BetterHelp to sell your talks with therapists.
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Every talk, including the counseling sessions?

I suppose this would be a failed data mining operation then, since that would certainly be in violation of HIPPA. Doctors aren’t even allowed to transmit doctors notes between each other without the patients permission. At least, the company is claiming to get licensed therapists and not counselors or someone without qualifications.

Edit: I’m also not sure what law it is, but they are also required to follow laws that require very unique types of security. There is a reason doctors offices still use fax machines, and it’s not just because many of them are old. Specifically it’s to prevent the illicit use of patients information, so I suppose a giant lawsuit is coming if they think a small clause in their ToS would cover them selling your data.

Mostly I’m still on the fence as to whether or not this is a deliberate scam or something that advertised to aggressively and ultimately failed to scale. Or just in it for the money in a more basic way, since most of the consistent complaints I see are the very shady ways this app takes your money, and the fact that it uses the subscription model rather than charge per session is strange to me.
 
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Appearantly ,Better Help's founder used to develop software for the IDF.
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I wonder what kind of ((software)) he developed?
 
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I was actually foolish enough to try this garbage out. Before the first month was done I already could tell it was a bullshit system set up to reduce any blame weighed on Betterhelp and leave councilors treat you however well or poorly they want. After three weeks of radio silence with the bozo they matched me up with (based on the simplest of criteria) I wrote them a scathing review and somehow convinced to get my money back.

Edit: There were quite a few yt channels shilling betterhelp in the ASMR community too I remember seeing.
 
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Erica said:
Edit: I’m also not sure what law it is, but they are also required to follow laws that require very unique types of security. There is a reason doctors offices still use fax machines, and it’s not just because many of them are old. Specifically it’s to prevent the illicit use of patients information, so I suppose a giant lawsuit is coming if they think a small clause in their ToS would cover them selling your data.
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I will agree with you that at the very lease the spirit of the law shouldn't allow a small clause in the ToS, if some one wants to go digging more this may (or may not) be of use: https://www.healthit.gov/topic/health-information-privacy-law-and-policy

As far as Fax machines I am going to say its more of 1 ) the cost of encrypted email systems 2) laziness/"too much money" 3) HIPAA what I will call "there was an attempt" loop hole. I have been in offices were the non fax machine was in a common area, and the only way to "prevent" PHI/PII form printing out was to take the paper out, yet this was "okay", as was having non network segerated Windows 2000/2003 boxes that were connected to the internet with PII/PHI in it.

The security of fax machines are bad at worse and debatable at best. If you send an encrypted email if you send it to the wrong email depending on system at lease you can revoke access from the incorrect receiver immediately before damage was done.
 
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Reynard said:
I'll be honest and say I'm not sure just how many of these people actually knew what the fuck they were signing up to advertise. A lot of YouTubers are funded by shit like this and are likely to take up almost any product willing to fund their endeavors. I'm gonna give a decent amount the benefit of the doubt. Some of them, however, are quite possibly in on this scam, but I'll wait to crucify anyone for actually being a part of it aside from being played with like a puppet because they want to be able to put food on the table.
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i'm not so willing to give yt'ers the benefit of the doubt on this scam. philly d is offering to go to their offices and do a thorough check of their operation in order to save face. obviously that's damage control and nobody is saying all yt'ers should do that before they promote something. the main problem is in the TOS, and i think it's totally fair to expect yt'ers who advertise for products should read those.

Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
Honestly what surprises me more than this revelation is all the people in this thread saying "I was thinking about giving this a try"

Like... why do you need psychiatric help? Are you guys actually fucking nuts or are you just massive pussies who overblow your "mental health issues"?
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having a mental health issue doesnt make you a pussy. trying to keep it in and find an e-fix for it does. aggressive, type-a people who are aware of their mental health seek out professional counseling as soon as they admit they have a problem so that they can fix it using professional help. there's nothing wrong with that. the sick part of this scam is how it encourages people to seek out non-professional help, or even help from people in their socail/family circle, which is much more healthy.

vhstape said:
Sarah Fader a contributor on huffingtonpost wrote an article under the title "How Do You Know If Your Therapist Is Helping You?", near the end of the article she states "Check out the BetterHelp Advice section to learn more about different types of therapy and find one that works for you!", no information is given if it was a paid promotion however if you look at the website she is CEO at the resources page you get "BetterHelp is the largest e-counseling platform worldwide, and we’re excited to see that it’s already making such a great impact. However, we are still just at the very beginning of this long journey. I invite you to join our mission – as a counselor, as a team member or as someone who may use some help to live better.", the use of we gives the impression she has a relationship with the company and googling her name with better help also brings this page up.

edit: she has way more huffingtonpost articles which do the same thing, some of them where every link goes to the betterhelp website
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/sarah-fader
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i wonder if we can get them to write disclaimers admitting these articles are paid promotions?

Mr Care said:
Andy's video will be a waste of time if he doesn't reveal the Emails though. Other than that I'm not sure what else he's going to add.
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it will add to his wallet by making a video on a timely subject

registereduser said:
I'm hoping Metokur will do a video on this. If anything, as a relative pallette cleanser from having to wade through the nasty zoopedosadist shit.
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this is too serious a topic for jim. i think his conspiratorial videos are the least interesting. he's at his best when he's just laughing at degenerates.

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They block archive.is, or at least wix (their CMS) does.
https://archive.is/AzhOO

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InfluenceLogic is associated with:
Save The Children (?)
TelaDoc (parent company of BetterHelp)
UGG (?)
BetterHelp

InfluenceLogic is the actual company behind CreatorHealth, which has no public facing information at all. No copyright, no company, nothing. The only reason I know InfluenceLogic owns CreatorHealth is a tenuous connection between joel@creatorhealth.org and joel@influencelogic.org that Andy Warski allowed me to see by showing me his affiliate dashboard.

This is their 'How we Do It' page basically just saying they get YT creators to shill for them.
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Here's the people behind the company.
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Oh look who it is.
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Joel Robison, CEO of InfluenceLogic and VidFall.

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Their blog is full of gross marketing shit but not particularly interesting.
https://archive.is/WfoQs

It looks like this is about a dead end, as far as I can see, there is a large network of companies preying on the depressed and vulnerable. Joel Robison set up a front called CreatorHealth specifically to pump this garbage to as many people as humanly possible under the guise of helping people. He must have known that what he was doing was scummy because there is no information about his company or him on CreatorHealth, despite InfluenceLogic proudly naming him. Even the domain is protected by GoDaddy domain privacy, something you have to go out of your way to pay for to get. It was meant to be a buffer, a demilitarized zone, between the gross InfluenceLogic marketing system and the friendly CreatorHealth organization.

This is just one of their blog articles.
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The ROI of working with small youtubers is great. If someone talks to the same 1000 people every day, you pay him $1000 to shill your shit, you'll probably make that back easy. That's what they say. That's why they went after many many mid-sized YT creators instead of just the big names.
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pretty disappointed to see savethechildren as part of this scam. they have generally high ratings as being a reliable charity according to charity watchdog groups. i'm never giving them another penny so long as it might end up in the pockets of InfluenceLogic.
 
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Appearantly ,Better Help's founder used to develop software for the IDF. View attachment 558338 I wonder what kind of ((software)) he developed?
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the autist of dojima said:
So /pol/ was right again?
Oy fucking vey
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Yep, Alon Matas is a chosenite, a proud Zionist, Hillary supporter, and has connections to various positions of (((power))), he's a Silicon Valley type. He also has a beef with Elon Musk, equating him with Trump.
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The kikebook page of BetterHelp has nearly one million likes, who wants to bet that most are just bots?

One has to wonder where this money is coming from, $100 per registration. These shills don't think it's too good to be true? Probably not, they are busy counting shekelz like the good goys they are.

HansGruber said:
I was actually foolish enough to try this garbage out. Before the first month was done I already could tell it was a bullshit system set up to reduce any blame weighed on Betterhelp and leave councilors treat you however well or poorly they want. After three weeks of radio silence with the bozo they matched me up with (based on the simplest of criteria) I wrote them a scathing review and somehow convinced to get my money back.

Edit: There were quite a few yt channels shilling betterhelp in the ASMR community too I remember seeing.
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So they charged money for a month and finally hooked you up with someone three weeks into it? Oh this is an absolute disaster...
 
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