Careercow Mark Waid / William Mark Waid - Comics legend turned laughingstock, SJW lunatic, Dislikes Asians, Sued for Tortious Interference, King Baby, “The Strong Protect The Weak”

[Emperor Julian]

Hell, in the original comic where Barbara got paralyzed, the Joker was far more cruel and sadistic to her father. Joker basically just shot Barbara, posed her, and took some pictures. (The results would be much further-reaching but the actual action and period of his tormenting of her was relatively mild.) Jim Gordon, meanwhile, was kept naked in a cage and physically tortured for that entire storyarc. Absolutely no one complains about it to this day... other than if they want to complain that Joker tormenting Jim with pictures of his bleeding and paralyzed daughter was "fridging" and therefore her pain was actually all about Jim's feelings (and thereby making Jim's suffering all about Barbara). Male suffering simply does not matter to these people, to the point that it effectively does not exist for them.

It's actually more subtle and nasty than that, their's a tacit admittance that Gordons ordeal- no matter how soul destroying doesnt take anything away from him as a human being. By contrast what happened to Barbera inherantly dimmishes her in the eyes of sjw's, look at all those articles bitching about it sometime. For all their posturing about women, they're still stuck in the 'damaged goods' mindset.
I recall a from a friend who was a victim of child abuse makes of point of never bringing it up simply because she couldnt stomach the pity from her inferiors. Looking at these people you can see where she's coming from.

 

[Puddleduck]

Even assuming the implication isn't just an implication, and as awful as rape is, I still think it doesn't quite measure up to spending at least 24 hours in a crow's cage being repeatedly physically and psychologically tortured to the breaking point

What is this referring to, because my mind went straight to Animorphs.
Jeez that series had some fucked up shit for 12 year olds...

 

[damian]

What is this referring to, because my mind went straight to Animorphs.
Jeez that series had some fucked up shit for 12 year olds...

The Killing Joke:

Spoiler: The Relevant Parts

EDIT:
The premise is that Joker wants to prove that after one very bad day anyone, even the most upstanding citizens (Gordon) can become just as demented and insane as the Joker. It also serves as an Origin for the Joker (or at least this version of the Joker).

 

[Puddleduck]

The Killing Joke:
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thanks for that! i'll read it properly later, but just a glance makes me think that yeah, it's more effed up than Animorphs haha

 

[LordofCringe7206]

thanks for that! i'll read it properly later, but just a glance makes me think that yeah, it's more effed up than Animorphs haha

And bare in mind that Animorphs is essentially about children being genetically modified to serve as soldiers in an intergalactic war.

That's how just how fucked up Moore's mind truly is in comparison.

 

[damian]

And bare in mind that Animorphs is essentially about children being genetically modified to serve as soldiers in an intergalactic war.

That's how just how fucked up Moore's mind truly is in comparison.

May Cthulhu bless his twisted mind. He's light years away from anything the current crop of writer are capable of.

 

[Mike_Oxenfyre]

they were just too chickenshit to drop the >implying of it and come right out and say it

I honestly prefer the ambiguity. Comics have a particular problem, as a long running medium, where every question gets answered as writers look for material.

This is fine for unresolved plots or unexplored references (Claremont). But not every event needs clarification.

 

[Standardized Profile]

There's an implication but Moore himself has, I believe, hedged that the Joker didn't actually rape her.

I don't know how anyone gets a rape implication out of The Killing Joke.

Spoiler

Neither Barbara's physician nor Detective Bullock say she was raped, and both are pretty frank about her injuries and the physical evidence they collected. The Joker doesn't touch Barbara in any of the photographs, or tell Gordon he raped his daughter, or work it into a song or a monologue. When Gordon describes the photographs to Batman, he only says Barbara was shot, not raped. The Joker tells Batman he shot her, not that he raped her. The script does not tell Bolland to depict a rape or evidence of a rape, or hint that she would have been raped but for editorial mandate.

I guess the notoriety of this book has people imagining it being worse than it really is, and in doing so they miss the point of the story and the logic of the characters' actions.

Is there some reason there's no implication that Gordon was raped, when he wakes up in a cage naked except for an S&M collar?

When he wakes up he's still clothed and they haven't put the collar on yet. But I guess he could've been raped and quickly redressed before he woke up. I guess Alfred was probably raped too, and Huey, Dewie, and Louie probably raped each other in a tiny Devil's Triangle.

 

[[V A P O R W A V E]]

The Killing Joke:
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EDIT:
The premise is that Joker wants to prove that after one very bad day anyone, even the most upstanding citizens (Gordon) can become just as demented and insane as the Joker. It also serves as an Origin for the Joker (or at least this version of the Joker).

I've never thought Joker Raped Barbara. It's never been in the character (any iteration) to rape or even be sexual (save to people). Joker has only ever really show sexuality toward Batman (no memes) and in some cases Harley (It's up to debate weather he's having sex with her because he likes her or if he's just being cruel to her). But in even Harley's case it was super rare for a writers to do that.

 

[Mola Ram]

When he wakes up he's still clothed and they haven't put the collar on yet. But I guess he could've been raped and quickly redressed before he woke up. I guess Alfred was probably raped too, and Huey, Dewie, and Louie probably raped each other in a tiny Devil's Triangle.

Just to be clear, I've never thought either Jim or Barbara were raped. I just think there's plenty of evidence that Jim's humiliation was just as sexual as Barbara's is assumed to be. Yet no one ever makes that argument.

 

[[V A P O R W A V E]]

Just to be clear, I've never thought either Jim or Barbara were raped. I just think there's plenty of evidence that Jim's humiliation was just as sexual as Barbara's is assumed to be. Yet no one ever makes that argument.

I'll agree with that. It doesnt go into 100% with either. I do think it's stupid to argue who had it worst though. They both went through traumatic shit.

 

[One Man Bland]

I don't know how anyone gets a rape implication out of The Killing Joke.

Spoiler

Neither Barbara's physician nor Detective Bullock say she was raped, and both are pretty frank about her injuries and the physical evidence they collected. The Joker doesn't touch Barbara in any of the photographs, or tell Gordon he raped his daughter, or work it into a song or a monologue. When Gordon describes the photographs to Batman, he only says Barbara was shot, not raped. The Joker tells Batman he shot her, not that he raped her. The script does not tell Bolland to depict a rape or evidence of a rape, or hint that she would have been raped but for editorial mandate.

I guess the notoriety of this book has people imagining it being worse than it really is, and in doing so they miss the point of the story and the logic of the characters' actions.


When he wakes up he's still clothed and they haven't put the collar on yet. But I guess he could've been raped and quickly redressed before he woke up. I guess Alfred was probably raped too, and Huey, Dewie, and Louie probably raped each other in a tiny Devil's Triangle.

The only reason people assume that Barbara is raped is because she was nude for the photos. That’s it really. In their minds if a woman in fiction is nude it has to be for a sexual reason because there are no other possible reasons to include female nudity. Never mind that the majority of the photos were close ups of her gaping bullet wound, spinal injury, and terrified/pained expression.

I think Alan Moore even pointed this out when people kept asking him if Barbara was raped and pointed out that Gordon was stripped in a similar fashion that had way more sexual assault undertones, but no one is badgering him about whether the commissioner was raped. He stopped getting direct questions about it soon after that.

 

[linchan]

Any pro response about Mark Waid's lawyer change?

 

[AnOminous]

Any pro response about Mark Waid's lawyer change?

Rekieta did a brief response.

There's not really much to say yet.

 

[damian]

Rekieta did a brief response.

There's not really much to say yet.

I'm betting they're staying quiet for now because of all the "MARK WAID LAWYER BIG, MARK WAID LAWYER SUE LIBYA, MARK WAID LAWYER BEEN ON TV!" spergery. Now they look like idiots for it bigger idiots for it.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Rekieta did a brief response.

There's not really much to say yet.

"You're just... so dumb."

I do love this guy.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'm betting Mark Waid discovered how much "MARK ZAID SUPER LAWYER" was gonna cost, and nearly swallowed his tongue. Especially when Zaid said "You're gonna pay me and pay Meyer". To give credit at first glance his new lawyer lady seems to be succinct and reasonably competent. We've certainly seen worse filings that the extension one she submitted. It was short, professional, reasonable, clearly laid out the specific extension requested, and limited the time to 3 weeks, and even seems to be spelled correctly and not scrawled in crayon. So BONUS!

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

I'm betting Mark Waid discovered how much "MARK ZAID SUPER LAWYER" was gonna cost, and nearly swallowed his tongue. Especially when Zaid said "You're gonna pay me and pay Meyer". To give credit at first glance his new lawyer lady seems to be succinct and reasonably competent. We've certainly seen worse filings that the extension one she submitted. It was short, professional, reasonable, clearly laid out the specific extension requested, and limited the time to 3 weeks, and even seems to be spelled correctly and not scrawled in crayon. So BONUS!

Well there are many gradations of lawyer between "jet-setting super law-dude who could get a dindu off even if he murdered a twelve-year-old on live international TV" and "that guy whose office is next to the food court", the new one is probably somewhere in the vast middle between those two. However, when you've got a mountain of evidence against you and a pretty open-and-shut case otherwise, you kind of need that first guy. As guessed, Waid probably can't pay for that first guy, especially with Big Daddy Marvel unwilling to pay for the lawyer (or pay Waid anymore), the sheer unlikelihood that all the supposed support for Waid's "cause" would translate into any tangible amount of money if he did fundraising, and the fact that the CBLDF sure as hell isn't going to pay even if it could afford jet-setters.

You'd think Waid would be a little bit more aware of the reality of his own finances and what he could afford, so there are two options here and both paint him as a complete twit. The first is that against all personal evidence he had of his own finances and station, he still bought into the image peabrained fanboys have of comic writers/artists as being fabulously wealthy on par with big Hollywood actors, and thought "Oh yeah I can afford a superlawyer, no problem." The second is that he actually thought Zaid was going to work for him pro bono, or for practically nothing, because Good Cause, and because He's Mark Waid He Deserves Free Lawyering.

 

[registereduser]

Apparently Rikieta got it wrong (but reasonably so) and Zaid is still on the case as lead lawyer. The new chick just handles the local logistics.
But Zaid of course acts completely unprofessional in the meantime.

 

[Spectre]

Apparently Zaid is still representing Waid as lead counsel, but a local counsel was needed as Zaid is not licensed in Texas.