Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[damian]

Maybe they think @damian really is Comics Zack, and somewhere in his posting history is the magic bullet that will turn tortious interference into justified self-defense.

The jig is up, gang:

 

[DrunkJoe]

What kind of stupid fuck thinks calling attention to a site that catalogged your fucktard behavior is a good thing for them?

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

What kind of stupid fuck thinks calling attention to a site that catalogged your fucktard behavior is a good thing for them?

Intersectionalist identity politics ideologues.

 

[damian]

Since the new numbers are out might as well check other books of interest. First (((BENDIS))), as much as I hate his writing, he is getting a good amount of orders (wether these actually sell or not is anybodies guess):

His personal imprints on the other hand are already flopping:

But now I’ll get to what everyone is probably waiting for, Iceman:

Every shop reported a 100% overship, so Iceman #1 actual order numbers are around 19,451.

Overall pretty embarrassing for a new Marvel #1, specially since the first GayIceman run actually managed to get nearly the same numbers without a 100% overship:

Which is weird since there was enough of a demand that they not only brought it back but also brought back the original creative team as well.

For those interested here are some Iceman reviews:
Issue 1:

Issue 2:

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Border Town sold out of its first printing (because it was very low) and they made a huge deal about it. Now it’s a big deal at rank 140 and only selling 15k copies?

I guess if you live in a safe space where facts aren’t allowed. At least it wasn’t 50% off like Zoe’s comic before it even launched.

 

[Tanner Glass]

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Since the new numbers are out might as well check other books of interest. First (((BENDIS))), as much as I hate his writing, he is getting a good amount of orders (wether these actually sell or not is anybodies guess):
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His personal imprints on the other hand are already flopping:
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But now I’ll get to what everyone is probably waiting for, Iceman:
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Every shop reported a 100% overship, so Iceman #1 actual order numbers are around 19,451.

Overall pretty embarrassing for a new Marvel #1, specially since the first GayIceman run actually managed to get nearly the same numbers without a 100% overship:
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Which is weird since there was enough of a demand that they not only brought it back but also brought back the original creative team as well.

For those interested here are some Iceman reviews:
Issue 1:

Issue 2:

I'm not a huge comic book guy, but is he bragging about Border Town being a smash hit when it looks like it's barely outselling a MST3k comic?

 

[damian]

I'm not a huge comic book guy, but is he bragging about Border Town being a smash hit when it looks like it's barely outselling a MST3k comic?

He’s been bragging a shit ton about his book being hot shit, turns out it was just shit. Also I had no clue MST3K had a comic coming out, had Dark Horse spent more than $5 in advertising, it might have surpassed BT by a few hundred.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

I'm sure there's a perfectly valid explanation for this.

Them wypipo physically stopped brave POCs and allies from buying the title...just like they did to all the wammin who wanted to see Ghostbusters a couple of years ago.

 

[knightlautrec]

Also I had no clue MST3K had a comic coming out, had Dark Horse spent more than $5 in advertising, it might have surpassed BT by a few hundred.

Don't buy it if you're an actual fan of MST3K. It's based on the new Netflix one and I can't fucking stand it. It's fucking awful in comparison to the actual show. My friend saw it on her usual round to the comic shop and asked if I wanted it but I SPECIFICALLY asked if it was new or old MST3K and she was like 'Old I think?' But it's not you silly bint! It's NOT.

 

[damian]

Don't buy it if you're an actual fan of MST3K. It's based on the new Netflix one and I can't fucking stand it. It's fucking awful in comparison to the actual show. My friend saw it on her usual round to the comic shop and asked if I wanted it but I SPECIFICALLY asked if it was new or old MST3K and she was like 'Old I think?' But it's not you silly bint! It's NOT.

Why is everything new so fucking awful?

 

[Jub-Jub]

Border Town sold out of its first printing (because it was very low) and they made a huge deal about it. Now it’s a big deal at rank 140 and only selling 15k copies?

I guess if you live in a safe space where facts aren’t allowed. At least it wasn’t 50% off like Zoe’s comic before it even launched.

Spoiler: Ackchyually

Allegations of 'Death threats' of course there is no proof shown at any point, just listen and believe
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I wonder if the allegations were an attempt to perform PR and get a bunch of articles written about a trash book, especially since comics media wont ask any questions. Also the book isn't out yet and it's already 50% off??? What a fucking failure, small discounts 10-15% for pre-orders can make sense but 50% before it's out? Congratulations now you have to move twice as many units and any potential buyers may consider the RRP to be $2 instead of $4

I wonder how many of the non-overshipped gay Iceman #1s actually sold, given the photos we saw of the thick stacks. The previous gay Iceman dropped ~12,000 books by number 2 and more than halved by issue 3, I'm going to guess issue 2 of the new gay iceman sells ~12,000 copies. I also think Bordertown's numbers will at least halve with a higher than average drop off due to shit story and art, along with less virtue purchases.

 

[Least Concern]

The jig is up, gang:
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If this were made into a real comic, he would then spend the next seventeen panels sperging about postal meters.

 

[damian]

We might be getting more LLP threads in the future:

https://twitter.com/marclombardi/status/1051930699748573184 (https://archive.fo/agLzx)

Spoiler: Imgs

Around the 50min mark, TUG starts talking about how Marc loves to use blockbots and damn they are effective:

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[AnOminous]

We might be getting more LLP threads in the future:

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Yeah. . .mmm. . .no.

Tortious interference is a very specific tort and you really have to go out of your way to violate it specifically. You practically have to be stupid enough to say "I know there is a contract between X and Y and I am going to talk to Y right now to get them to violate that contract!" Then talk to Y right now to get them to violate that contract. Then say "Hi! I just talked to Y to get them to violate that contract between X and Y that I just talked about!"

It's not quite that hard to violate it but you really have to be Mark Waid level stupid. Just complaining online that you think Z is a shit comic and you don't plan to buy it, and they fire the idiot who wrote it because nobody is buying their shitty comic doesn't count.

I certainly wouldn't bet the farm that there's nobody in ComicsGate that stupid and spergy, because there probably is someone that stupid and spergy, but I'm not seeing a flood of such lawsuits, although that shithead Vox Day might have one re getting kicked off IGG, depending what kind of communication prompted that decision.

 

[damian]

Youtube is down, here's a re-upload until they get their shit together:

 

[RockVolnutt]

Yeah. . .mmm. . .no.

Tortious interference is a very specific tort and you really have to go out of your way to violate it specifically. You practically have to be stupid enough to say "I know there is a contract between X and Y and I am going to talk to Y right now to get them to violate that contract!" Then talk to Y right now to get them to violate that contract. Then say "Hi! I just talked to Y to get them to violate that contract between X and Y that I just talked about!"

It's not quite that hard to violate it but you really have to be Mark Waid level stupid. Just complaining online that you think Z is a shit comic and you don't plan to buy it, and they fire the idiot who wrote it because nobody is buying their shitty comic doesn't count.

I certainly wouldn't bet the farm that there's nobody in ComicsGate that stupid and spergy, because there probably is someone that stupid and spergy, but I'm not seeing a flood of such lawsuits, although that shithead Vox Day might have one re getting kicked off IGG, depending what kind of communication prompted that decision.

I think the fact he used the Robbie Rodriguez thing is a good example of his misunderstanding. He seems to think "tortious interference" is just when a bunch of nobodies say Person A is unfit for their job at Company X. That's absolutely legal. What Waid did was use his influence to get another company to break their contract so a competitor couldn't enter the industry due to being on their blacklist. The contract is the important part.

Now on to Robbie, people are in the right for calling for your job if you're posting your stretched out anus to critics on a platform where you are representing your employer. That's not really tolerated in most industries.

Edit: I can already tell you that their misunderstanding of what Waid did is going to lead to "Jokes on you, us having a blacklist on everyone who's not WOKE enough is absolutely legal" and that'll be a fun ride.

 

[Mola Ram]

What Waid did was use his influence to get another company to break their contract so a competitor couldn't enter the industry due to being on their blacklist. The contract is the important part.

Correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm no expert on contract law, though I wasn't bad at torts -- isn't the usual gravamen of this tort one party inducing another party to breach through financial incentives; i.e., luring someone away from an existing contract with a bigger payday? The threatening nature of what Waid did strikes me as pretty unusual, although surely not unique and not at all outside the bounds contemplated by this kind of suit.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm no expert on contract law, though I wasn't bad at torts -- isn't the usual gravamen of this tort one party inducing another party to breach through financial incentives; i.e., luring someone away from an existing contract with a bigger payday? The threatening nature of what Waid did strikes me as pretty unusual, although surely not unique and not at all outside the bounds contemplated by this kind of suit.

Based on everything I've heard and read, yeah, that's the crux of it.

If tortuitous interference with trade just involved people saying mean things, holy shit Yelp would be burned to the ground. You have to actively, directly induce one party to break an existing contract.

If Waid had run his mouth nonstop on Twitter, riling up a mob, it'd be a little less cut and dried. But then he CALLS Antarctic Press, and admits to doing so later on.

 

[AnOminous]

Correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm no expert on contract law, though I wasn't bad at torts -- isn't the usual gravamen of this tort one party inducing another party to breach through financial incentives; i.e., luring someone away from an existing contract with a bigger payday? The threatening nature of what Waid did strikes me as pretty unusual, although surely not unique and not at all outside the bounds contemplated by this kind of suit.

The specific issue is going to be how Texas looks at it. It generally has to have been done by some improper means and/or motivated by malice. Having a legitimate economic interest in the matter is actually a defense. I'll be interested in seeing how the parties argue this. I don't see a great pure First Amendment defense, but I could see some argument that Waid's behavior was somehow legitimate.

It's more likely to turn on some as yet obscure to me analysis of Texas commercial law than the grand free speech defense the comic pros want, though. If Zaid's smart, he'll spend more time listening to local counsel than Perry Mason bullshit.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

There's a huge distinction between a customer buying a product and complaining about its quality, and a professional in the industry trying to sabotage another professional's distribution deal. Who was making the complaint to Antarctic? Its not a customer. Its not an employee of Antarctic. Its not someone with any special interest in the contract. Its Mark Waid, a man operating out of pure malice towards one of the individuals involved.

There's also a distinction to be made between firing people who have an employment relationship with a company and breaking a contract with set terms. The option to fire an employee for not meeting certain standards of quality is going to be one of the terms of the employment contract. Severing a distribution contract for no reason is, generally, not going to be a term of a contract (because who would ever agree to that?).