Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Least Concern]

Regarding the backlash against the NPC meme, both in ComicsGate and the broader culture war…

Something that makes me think these people had a rather sheltered childhood, if they had one at all, is that they're so oblivious about how to handle bullying or teasing. If someone calling you a name bothers you, showing them you're incredibly offended by being called that name - say, by flooding the media with bloviating articles about how awful that name is - is only going to prompt continued usage of that name, since the bullies found an easy button to push.

And in this case, you'd think it'd be fairly simple to turn the meme around and depict NPCs as a mass wearing MAGA hats and, in CG's case, blindly throwing money at whatever comic Uncle Ethan features on his show tonight. But I guess that would require taking a brief break from being perpetually offended.

 

[AnOminous]

Severing a distribution contract for no reason is, generally, not going to be a term of a contract (because who would ever agree to that?).

Incidentally, in Texas, even the existence of such a termination clause is not necessarily a defense against a tortious interference claim, and even a terminable at will employment agreement can give rise to a tortious interference claim and, for that matter, even an unenforceable contract could form the basis of such a claim.

The basis of the claim is not that the third party who broke the contract did so improperly, although in this case the conduct was probably also a breach of contract by Antarctic.

 

[RockVolnutt]

There's a huge distinction between a customer buying a product and complaining about its quality, and a professional in the industry trying to sabotage another professional's distribution deal. Who was making the complaint to Antarctic? Its not a customer. Its not an employee of Antarctic. Its not someone with any special interest in the contract. Its Mark Waid, a man operating out of pure malice towards one of the individuals involved.

There's also a distinction to be made between firing people who have an employment relationship with a company and breaking a contract with set terms. The option to fire an employee for not meeting certain standards of quality is going to be one of the terms of the employment contract. Severing a distribution contract for no reason is, generally, not going to be a term of a contract (because who would ever agree to that?).

That's why I'm waiting for the next stage where they openly talk about how great their blacklists are and how no one can do anything. They will totally find a way for that to blow up in their faces.

Regarding the backlash against the NPC meme, both in ComicsGate and the broader culture war…

Something that makes me think these people had a rather sheltered childhood, if they had one at all, is that they're so oblivious about how to handle bullying or teasing. If someone calling you a name bothers you, showing them you're incredibly offended by being called that name - say, by flooding the media with bloviating articles about how awful that name is - is only going to prompt continued usage of that name, since the bullies found an easy button to push.

And in this case, you'd think it'd be fairly simple to turn the meme around and depict NPCs as a mass wearing MAGA hats and, in CG's case, blindly throwing money at whatever comic Uncle Ethan features on his show tonight. But I guess that would require taking a brief break from being perpetually offended.

That's actually something Jason Yungbluth tried arguing with mixed results. Basically comicsgate is a scam in the sense that all it does is serve to make Meyer and Ethan richer as comicsgate's wants were clearly rejected by the industry and aren't budging on it. Unfotunantly, Anti-CG has difficultly grasping Yungbluth's idea that it morphed into Meyer is a scam artist who sees people as ATMs selling overpriced comics to nazis to....advance white supremacy or something? They can never make that part clear.

You can usually find someone on a Bleeding Cool comment section using some bastardization of it.

 

[Least Concern]

That's actually something Jason Yungbluth tried arguing with mixed results. Basically comicsgate is a scam in the sense that all it does is serve to make Meyer and Ethan richer as comicsgate's wants were clearly rejected by the industry and aren't budging on it. Unfotunantly, Anti-CG has difficultly grasping Yungbluth's idea that it morphed into Meyer is a scam artist who sees people as ATMs selling overpriced comics to nazis to....advance white supremacy or something? They can never make that part clear.

That's not quite the same as what I was saying, but still that's a demonstrably weak argument for Yungbluth to have made because because, one, Meyer and Van Sciver are clearly not offended by the idea that they are in it for money (and I don't think anyone else not on the anti side is either), and two, selling a product to a voluntary consumer is not a "scam" by a reasonable person's definition, so long as the books actually get sent - and the jury's still out on that regard, but so far Stardust and Iron Sights have shipped, right? Any others yet?

Probably a better analogy is if, every time someone called Van Sciver a nazi, he posted a thirty-tweet-long thread about how much that word hurts him.

 

[RockVolnutt]

That's not quite the same as what I was saying, but still that's a demonstrably weak argument for Yungbluth to have made because because, one, Meyer and Van Sciver are clearly not offended by the idea that they are in it for money (and I don't think anyone else not on the anti side is either), and two, selling a product to a voluntary consumer is not a "scam" by a reasonable person's definition, so long as the books actually get sent - and the jury's still out on that regard, but so far Stardust and Iron Sights have shipped, right? Any others yet?

Probably a better analogy is if, every time someone called Van Sciver a nazi, he posted a thirty-tweet-long thread about how much that word hurts him.

Oh no, I meant like "turning the NPC meme against them". Yungbluth tried but it didn't work as anti-CG just doesn't seem that bright and brought it back to "REEEEE Meyer is da bad man. Me hate bad man!" as they mangle his words.

They already dropped the ball with being clever in calling Comicsgate mindless followers.

 

[AnOminous]

They already dropped the ball with being clever in calling Comicsgate mindless followers.

So you're a "mindless follower" if you don't buy the garbage Marvel is peddling like some drone.

 

[damian]

Regarding the backlash against the NPC meme, both in ComicsGate and the broader culture war…

Something that makes me think these people had a rather sheltered childhood, if they had one at all, is that they're so oblivious about how to handle bullying or teasing. If someone calling you a name bothers you, showing them you're incredibly offended by being called that name - say, by flooding the media with bloviating articles about how awful that name is - is only going to prompt continued usage of that name, since the bullies found an easy button to push.

And in this case, you'd think it'd be fairly simple to turn the meme around and depict NPCs as a mass wearing MAGA hats and, in CG's case, blindly throwing money at whatever comic Uncle Ethan features on his show tonight. But I guess that would require taking a brief break from being perpetually offended.

They really don’t like the NPC meme. This was part of the livestream I linked to previously, TUG made a more detailed video on it:

He also got a promotion from ‘That Umbrella Guy’ to ‘That Umbrella Lieutenant’

 

[kcbbq]

They really don’t like the NPC meme. This was part of the livestream I linked to previously, TUG made a more detailed video on it:

He also got a promotion from ‘That Umbrella Guy’ to ‘That Umbrella Lieutenant’

It's such a nothing meme. A normal person would just shrug it off as ineffectual nerd humor and "whatever" it away. It's fascinating they're going on a full court press over it. Why the fuck NYT would think this passes their news judgment is fascinating, too.

 

[Least Concern]

So possible unpopular opinion: I don't think Wendig should have been fired before Robbie "Rectum" Rodriguez, the butthole tweeter. That doesn't make sense to me. It seems odd he would be fired just for his tweets, since they don't really seem all that different from what we've come to expect from Marvel writers and the blue checkmark crowd in general. What Robbie did, though, was on another level.

Maybe I'm tinfoil hatting here, but I can think of two reasons why Wendig was fired while Rodriguez has not been. One, there was actually some other reason that Wendig had to go that both he and Marvel/Lucasfilm want to keep under wraps, so the tweets were used as a convenient excuse; two, someone at Lucasfilm, not Marvel, made the call that he wasn't to be associated with their product anymore, and he is lying or was lied to about Lucas actually being satisfied with his work.

 

[XYZpdq]

It's such a nothing meme. A normal person would just shrug it off as ineffectual nerd humor and "whatever" it away. It's fascinating they're going on a full court press over it. Why the fuck NYT would think this passes their news judgment is fascinating, too.

seriously it's like if they went bugfuck over being accused of "reddit spacing"

 

[Detrogen]

so far Stardust and Iron Sights have shipped, right? Any others yet?

Right now, it's looking like Mike S. Miller's Lone Star is going to drop next. He's said all of the pencils and inking are done. After that, Cyberfrog and Ravage are supposedly coming out by year's end.

 

[RodgerDodger]

That's not quite the same as what I was saying, but still that's a demonstrably weak argument for Yungbluth to have made because because, one, Meyer and Van Sciver are clearly not offended by the idea that they are in it for money (and I don't think anyone else not on the anti side is either), and two, selling a product to a voluntary consumer is not a "scam" by a reasonable person's definition, so long as the books actually get sent - and the jury's still out on that regard, but so far Stardust and Iron Sights have shipped, right? Any others yet?

Probably a better analogy is if, every time someone called Van Sciver a nazi, he posted a thirty-tweet-long thread about how much that word hurts him.

For what it's worth, I got my copy of Iron Sights today. It's ... not bad... It's no Watchmen, but I've read worse. It has a few rough spots. But it's decent enough for a Freshman effort. It's a fairly bog standard indy book from the late 80's - 90's. Before they became all about Troons Trooning out and similar weirdness.

 

[AnOminous]

So possible unpopular opinion: I don't think Wendig should have been fired before Robbie "Rectum" Rodriguez, the butthole tweeter.

I don't think he should have been fired for what he was fired for, just like I don't think Roseanne should have been, but both of them should have seen it coming. I don't approve of Wendig having been fired so much as I enjoy schadenfreude at an asshole getting a taste of his own medicine.

 

[Detrogen]

For what it's worth, I got my copy of Iron Sights today. It's ... not bad... It's no Watchmen, but I've read worse. It has a few rough spots. But it's decent enough for a Freshman effort. It's a fairly bog standard indy book from the late 80's - 90's. Before they became all about Troons Trooning out and similar weirdness.

I enjoyed the book as well. Considering Zack treated it like his B project next to Jawbreakers, I’m eager to see how good that book is going to be. Compared to shit like Marvel’s new “Asgardians of the Galaxy” book, Iron Sights is practically Shakespeare.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I enjoyed the book as well. Considering Zack treated it like his B project next to Jawbreakers, I’m eager to see how good that book is going to be. Compared to shit like Marvel’s new “Asgardians of the Galaxy” book, Iron Sights is practically Shakespeare.

I honestly wonder what'll happen to the Marvel Universe canon and continuity when Marvel Comics finally implodes? Will everything after Marvel NOW! be retconned away, save specific stories such as Secret Wars 2015?

 

[Least Concern]

For what it's worth, I got my copy of Iron Sights today. It's ... not bad... It's no Watchmen, but I've read worse. It has a few rough spots. But it's decent enough for a Freshman effort.

Considering this is not Meyer's freshman book, he might take that as a slight…

Spoiler: Unsolicited opinions on The Watchmen???

Another possible unpopular opinion: Though I'm actually not that much of a comics nerd, I have read The Watchmen, and it nearly bored me to tears. So much dialogue, and that same grid of nine panels per page, and pretty much everyone was an asshole (which doesn't necessarily invalidate a story, but I remember only liking one character and he ended up getting killed). I really don't get why that thing is considered a classic today.

 

[damian]

Unsolicited opinions on The Watchmen???

It definitely not a book for beginners, its like chugging hard liquor when you've never even had beer.

 

[One Man Bland]

Maybe I'm tinfoil hatting here, but I can think of two reasons why Wendig was fired while Rodriguez has not been. One, there was actually some other reason that Wendig had to go that both he and Marvel/Lucasfilm want to keep under wraps, so the tweets were used as a convenient excuse; two, someone at Lucasfilm, not Marvel, made the call that he wasn't to be associated with their product anymore, and he is lying or was lied to about Lucas actually being satisfied with his work.

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Wendig’s firing was as simple as him just being a pain in the ass to work with and twitter tirade was just the final straw for his superiors. His work was pretty universally panned by hardcore fans and curious casuals alike and didn’t sell well enough for him to be considered irreplaceable, his antics are well documented in nerd circles, and from what Wendig’s said so far I wouldn’t be surprised if he threw a massive tantrum of an editor ever tried to get him notes.

Difference between Rodriguez and Wendig is that Wendig simply pissed off the wrong person.

 

[AnOminous]

Difference between Rodriguez and Wendig is that Wendig simply pissed off the wrong person.

He was also working on Star Wars, a property the mucky mucks at Disney actually care about and don't want to see fucked with. Considering what Rodriguez has gotten away with, either the comics end of it is so insignificant they literally don't give a shit and Rodriguez could rape a newborn baby and then eat it in public and not get fired, or they're just completely unaware of it, which itself signifies they seriously don't give a shit.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I honestly wonder what'll happen to the Marvel Universe canon and continuity when Marvel Comics finally implodes? Will everything after Marvel NOW! be retconned away, save specific stories such as Secret Wars 2015?

That depends on Disney and where they decide to take things. I've heard some suggest they scrap the whole comic division and pay other studios to make comics but it's possible going down that route just kills Earth-616 and each company has their character off in their own world. So if you like Mary Jane or Spider-Man not being a teenager then you're out of luck as all of it would be replaced with something more MCU inspired. This could actually make things worse as these studios could reimagine from the ground up and not even pretend to be restrained by established details. Sure, some will say "FINALLY! I always thought they should reboot" but you know a week later they'll be complaining and asking for another, look at DC having people saying a reboot is needed to solve the problem of "too many reboots".