Artcow Jason Yungbluth / IamDeathRay / DeathRayGraphics / Wrathofporkins

[Death Ray]

So then why can't you accept Sciver disavowed him? Why then would it matter what Vox says after Sciver told you he doesn't like him?

I don't believe EVS has "disavowed" Vox in any meaningful way, since he had to have been well aware of VD's odious nature during the entire period of their friendship. Remember: he only nixxed Vox when Vox made a play for the CG brand. Before that moment, he was just fine with him.

 

[Jub-Jub]

A Kickstarter, by definition, is a leap of faith. The "racket" is simply that CG citizens are being milked for their rage dollars, but CG itself is simply running on its own inertia. So you don't like Marvel? So what? Don't buy 'em. Nothing CG stands for is "moving the needle" one bit.

But CG knows this. I only felt like calling out Ethan (as CG's spokesman) on his bullshit. And as you saw, he had no answer for me. So, QED.

I disagree, considering CB sales are down 16% in the past 2 years, I'd say they are moving the needle quite a bit just in a direction you don't like (could some of this drop correspond with CG people dropping titles - similar to a boycott, wouldn't you say). What did EVS have to answer for? that he had talked to Vox? You do realize that you only 'won' that debate in your own head right?

The alt-right (meaning Vox) was one of our agreed upon debate topics, so no, I did not discuss VD any more or less than Ethan should have expected. And as you saw, I was able to connect Vox to Ethan at every turn. Ethan could only chuckle nervously about this, but he had no real response.

You spent 3 hrs ranting about Vox with the crux of you're argument being Ethan talked to Vox therefore Ethan is Alt-right. You do know what website you are on right? Your buddies love to classify this as an alt-right site; You are talking to us and therefore you are an alt right Nazi. So QED.

 

[Death Ray]

No it isn't. It's a crowdfunded project. The maker of the Kickstarter has a moral, ethical, and legal obligation to provide his crowdfunded project.

Unless a Kickstarter creator commits actual fraud, they have no legal obligation to fulfill a campaign

CG is against the excess politicization of politics. The pros told them to go make their own comics if they're so "mad" about it. So they did.

Then why do all CG conversations inevitably become political?

No you didn't. You made tenuous associations at best, non-sequiturs at worst. EVS laughed (if he even did that) because you sounded like a fool.

I am perfectly happy with the way the debate went.

I disagree, considering CB sales are down 16% in the past 2 years, I'd say they are moving the needle quite a bit just in a direction you don't like (could some of this drop correspond with CG people dropping titles - similar to a boycott, wouldn't you say). What did EVS have to answer for? that he had talked to Vox? You do realize that you only 'won' that debate in your own head right?

CG has delusions of grandeur, and does not ask real and relevant questions about the full scope of challenges facing comic shops, the most important being the greying of the audience.

You spent 3 hrs ranting about Vox with the crux of you're argument being Ethan talked to Vox therefore Ethan is Alt-right. You do know what website you are on right? Your buddies love to classify this as an alt-right site; You are talking to us and therefore you are an alt right Nazi. So QED.

Well, at least you aren't drunks.

 

[Least Concern]

I don't believe EVS has "disavowed" Vox in any meaningful way, since he had to have been well aware of VD's odious nature during the entire period of their friendship. Remember: he only nixxed Vox when Vox made a play for the CG brand. Before that moment, he was just fine with him.

I think threatening a lawsuit is pretty meaningful. But let's change topics slightly.

Keeping in mind Van Sciver frequently features POC on his show, to the extent that he has referred to Antonio Brice (who is black) as his co-host; that he is on the record supporting gay marriage and spoke disapprovingly about Renfamous's old messages disparaging homosexuals; and that he has spoken positively about Magdalene Vissagio and uses her preferred pronouns, will you concede that Van Sciver is not a crypto-alt-rightist and not much of a bigot in general?

ETA:

I am perfectly happy with the way the debate went.

Including the end, when you got kicked off for using a word you were explicitly asked not to use?

 

[damian]

But he insults his political enemies, these "SJWs", more frequently than he insults bad comic books, doesn't he? And that is what people tune in for: his "culture war".

Skimming though his channel shows he doing many more videos on comics compared to certain individuals. have you actually seen his videos or just read the hyperbolic titles?

Then why do all CG conversations inevitably become political?

Might have something to do with them not liking so much politics in said product therefore complaining about it.

 

[SiccDicc]

Unless a Kickstarter creator commits actual fraud, they have no legal obligation to fulfill a campaign.

Actually they do. Kickstarter has no legal obligation but the one running the campaign does. They are vulnerable to lawsuit.

Then why do all CG conversations inevitably become political?

Do you happen to be in each of these conversations?

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Unless a Kickstarter creator commits actual fraud, they have no legal obligation to fulfill a campaign

Not fulfilling a campaign is actual fraud.

Then why do all CG conversations inevitably become political?

Not all. Barely even some, really.

I am perfectly happy with the way the debate went.

That doesn't mean anything when you're objectively being illogical.

 

[Death Ray]

I think threatening a lawsuit is pretty meaningful. But let's change topics slightly.

VD did cuck pretty quickly, I'll grant you that. Funny thing is: if VD had been less greedy he could have registered the trademark without Ethan ever knowing.

Keeping in mind Van Sciver frequently features POC on his show, to the extent that he has referred to Antonio Brice as his co-host; that he is on the record supporting gay marriage and spoke disapprovingly about Renfamous's old messages disparaging homosexuals; and that he has spoken positively about Magdalene Vissagio and uses her preferred pronouns, will you concede that Van Sciver is not a crypto-alt-rightist and not much of a bigot in general?

Vox Day is a big fan of Milo Yiannopoulous. The Proud Boys have blacks and Asians in their ranks. Ethan adores a president who is openly contemptuous of transgenders. Kanye also loves that president, even though Trump called for the death sentence for the exonerated Central Park Five and never apologized for it.

I could go on. My point is that the right wing is completely incoherent.

 

[Jub-Jub]

I am perfectly happy with the way the debate went.

Which is why you've spent everyday afterwards ranting about it on twitter
See

Well, at least you aren't drunks.

Prediction: This will go exactly the same way as the debate; Yungbluth will eventually go away or be threadbanned for shitting up the board with awful 'logic' or 'arguments' and convincing nobody. He will then go back to twitter for arse pats and rant how he totally owned the Kiwi Farms.

 

[SiccDicc]

I could go on. My point is that the right wing is completely incoherent.

Do you think Elizabeth Warren is a Native American?

 

[Least Concern]

Vox Day

Dude, you just did it again! I asked you a question explicitly about Van Sciver, and the first two words in your response are "Vox Day!"

Please humor me and answer the question again without mentioning Vox, Milo, Trump, or anyone else except Van Sciver.

 

[Death Ray]

Not fulfilling a campaign is actual fraud.

No. Fraud is willful, criminal deception. A Kickstarter is a pledge drive. Legally, pledgers are rolling the dice, and the creator is indemnified. Trust me: I've run three Kickstarters.

That doesn't mean anything when you're objectively being illogical.

Since I am being perfectly logical, like Spock and Data had a baby, your point is moot.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Vox Day is a big fan of Milo Yiannopoulous.

And? I bet Vox Day likes Black Panther too.

The Proud Boys have blacks and Asians in their ranks.

Good to know they aren't racists.

Ethan adores a president who is openly contemptuous of transgenders.

When?

Kanye also loves that president, even though Trump called for the death sentence for the exonerated Central Park Five and never apologized for it.

And? What does the Central Park Five have to do with Kanye liking Trump?

 

[Death Ray]

Do you think Elizabeth Warren is a Native American?

I think Elizabeth Warren should tell anyone who will listen that it doesn't matter if she has one molecule of Indian blood or a gallon: the only thing they need to know is that Trump is a sick bigot who will go after them next at the drop of a hat.

 

[SiccDicc]

I think Elizabeth Warren should tell anyone who will listen that it doesn't matter if she has one molecule of Indian blood or a gallon. Trump is a sick bigot who will go after them next at the drop of a hat.

So you're okay then with a white woman claiming to be an oppressed minority when she isn't?

 

[Death Ray]

Please humor me and answer the question again without mentioning Vox, Milo, Trump, or anyone else except Van Sciver.

I think my answer provides the correct context.

So you're okay then with a white woman claiming to be an oppressed minority when she isn't?

She hasn't, though. You have been in your echo chamber too long.

 

[damian]

Livestream Debate between The Wizard and Hitler Von Sciver:

X-Post from the #Comicsgate thread:

TLDR: Jason derailed the debate to sperg about VoxDay instead of staying on topic, kept saying "Faggot" (1:38:01, 1:38:25) and the 3rd time saying it is kicked by Rekieta who had enough of his shit (2:51:10).
EVS's post debate thoughts:

Jason's post debate thoughts:
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Nicky Racket's responce:
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EDIT: Forgot to mention that Nicky predicted Jason's post-debate thoughts at 2:56:35

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

No. Fraud is willful, criminal deception. A Kickstarter is a pledge drive. Legally, pledgers are rolling the dice, and the creator is indemnified. Trust me: I've run three Kickstarters.

So how is someone failing to keep their part of a "pledge drive" not "willful, criminal deception"?

Since I am being perfectly logical, like Spock and Data had a baby, your point is moot.

No, you aren't.

 

[PantsFreeZone]

I think Elizabeth Warren should tell anyone who will listen that it doesn't matter if she has one molecule of Indian blood or a gallon: the only thing they need to know is that Trump is a sick bigot who will go after them next at the drop of a hat.

You remind me of a Kiwi Farms mod. Low IQ, low T, AIDS-riddled and a verified bottom.

And you got wrecked in your debate with EVS on Rekieta's stream.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

She hasn't, though. You have been in your echo chamber too long.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-test-results.48894/

Try again.