Dylan Hafertepen / Dylan Häs / noodlesandbeef / ekigyuu / beefdumplings / California Cow / dylanhasdesign - Gay BDSM Muscle-Bear with Ball Inflation Fetish Linked to 3 Deaths

Anyone can be abusive, but when the women are the abusers people tend not to report it/believe it. It's some lunatic who's hungry for power trying to bully others into an incredibly toxic relationship, gender has zero relevance in this. Women can and will be just as abusive, men can and will unfortunately be the victims just as easily.
I’ve seen plenty of abusive lesbian relationships, although I’m not familiar with the BDSM community, so I can’t comment on that aspect. I would say the controlling aspect tends to take a different form with women. With men, it seems to be more about the overt exercise of power. With women, it’s more subtle.
 
Keep hearing how Tank was just a poor tortured beautiful soul who was manipulated and abused by a dangerous sociopath. While I'm in no way defending what the tiny Filipino did, I think it's a bit of a simplified and convenient version of things.

The thing you have to keep in mind is what was on offer to Tank. In gay bear circles, being in an established stable poly relationship generally gives you a level of fame, prestige and notoriety on the local bear scene. You get known very fast. On top of the basic level of fame that instantly comes from being in a visible poly group, Dylan is actually not halfway bad at brand building - and he did this extensively through various social media platforms, so the fame was pretty global in reach.

Tank got a lot out of this "abusive" relationship - fame and notoriety for one thing - but also access to a lifestyle that he could not afford by himself. Living in a poly group with guys with decent salaries gives the household significant economies of scale. So you have a higher disposable income for partying and - in the case of Dylan's group - access to steroids. And again, building up and getting huge feeds back into the 'fame' in bear circles. Not only was the group very visible in terms of a poly 'familly' - but they had the ideal bodies (even if a great deal of it was photoshop - Dylan routinely shops abs onto his pics for example, it's not all that subtle). While there's a lot of suggestion that Dylan manipulated Tank into getting big - I don't buy it. Tank would have wanted that for himself, and so Dylan/the group setup was just a means to an end.

We can see that a lot of the power dynamic between the two of them was monetary, in that when Tank 'left' Dylan and 'broke the agreement' - Dylan punished him with financial penalties. The melodrama that played out when Tank left - ehh, just angry ranting from a guy wanting sympathy from his friends who he'd already pulled away from to devote time to his "Master". Of course he went back. We're talking about the equivalent of Geri Halliwell leaving the Spice Girls and realising she's no-one without the band.

The silicone body mods are a slightly more complex situation - but realistically, again, Tank would have wanted it. If he's a bottom he doesn't need his dick to function for fucking (no chance to change your mind though) - and indeed this would feed into an erotic self-image of being a "big bull designed to be bred" - he would be getting off on that. Did Dylan push it further than Tank would have been willing to go? We'll never know. Certainly there would have been a huge amount of 'normalisation' of the extreme modification within the group and the "silicone community" they were a part of. It's likely he wouldn't have gone as far if he'd not been in the group - but pinning that all on Dylan is a simplistic rationale.

For sure he was probably a lovely guy, but we're not talking about Mother Theresa here - this is a man in his twenties who won big on the bear fame jackpot, and enjoyed that lifestyle. He should have been aware of the risks of liquid silicone in the body - and especially so after the death of Peter Dovak last year. The dangers of liquid silicone reaching the lungs are well known, and my guess is that he was willfully ignoring the persistent cough (if indeed there was one), terrified of what it could be - or maybe everyone was just idiotically ignorant.

I'm not trying to defend or exonerate Dylan in any way - I have seen enough and heard from people who've met him what a repugnant cunt he is - but I don't think Tank is the blameless soul he's being portrayed as either.
 
Can someone who knew them IRL confirm something for us?

All these dudes had HIV and accepted being HIV positive as part of this lifestyle, right? It was casually mentioned earlier by someone that they were all "medicated" and listed themselves as "undetectable" (Meaning they had AIDS) but there's no mention of their status in any social media posts or screenshots. Is getting HIV so little of a concern to those in Dylan's circle that they don't even feel the need to discuss the fact them and all their partners happen to have the disease?
 
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Keep hearing how Tank was just a poor tortured beautiful soul who was manipulated and abused by a dangerous sociopath. While I'm in no way defending what the tiny Filipino did, I think it's a bit of a simplified and convenient version of things.

The thing you have to keep in mind is what was on offer to Tank. In gay bear circles, being in an established stable poly relationship generally gives you a level of fame, prestige and notoriety on the local bear scene. You get known very fast. On top of the basic level of fame that instantly comes from being in a visible poly group, Dylan is actually not halfway bad at brand building - and he did this extensively through various social media platforms, so the fame was pretty global in reach.

Tank got a lot out of this "abusive" relationship - fame and notoriety for one thing - but also access to a lifestyle that he could not afford by himself. Living in a poly group with guys with decent salaries gives the household significant economies of scale. So you have a higher disposable income for partying and - in the case of Dylan's group - access to steroids. And again, building up and getting huge feeds back into the 'fame' in bear circles. Not only was the group very visible in terms of a poly 'familly' - but they had the ideal bodies (even if a great deal of it was photoshop - Dylan routinely shops abs onto his pics for example, it's not all that subtle). While there's a lot of suggestion that Dylan manipulated Tank into getting big - I don't buy it. Tank would have wanted that for himself, and so Dylan/the group setup was just a means to an end.

We can see that a lot of the power dynamic between the two of them was monetary, in that when Tank 'left' Dylan and 'broke the agreement' - Dylan punished him with financial penalties. The melodrama that played out when Tank left - ehh, just angry ranting from a guy wanting sympathy from his friends who he'd already pulled away from to devote time to his "Master". Of course he went back. We're talking about the equivalent of Geri Halliwell leaving the Spice Girls and realising she's no-one without the band.

The silicone body mods are a slightly more complex situation - but realistically, again, Tank would have wanted it. If he's a bottom he doesn't need his dick to function for fucking (no chance to change your mind though) - and indeed this would feed into an erotic self-image of being a "big bull designed to be bred" - he would be getting off on that. Did Dylan push it further than Tank would have been willing to go? We'll never know. Certainly there would have been a huge amount of 'normalisation' of the extreme modification within the group and the "silicone community" they were a part of. It's likely he wouldn't have gone as far if he'd not been in the group - but pinning that all on Dylan is a simplistic rationale.

For sure he was probably a lovely guy, but we're not talking about Mother Theresa here - this is a man in his twenties who won big on the bear fame jackpot, and enjoyed that lifestyle. He should have been aware of the risks of liquid silicone in the body - and especially so after the death of Peter Dovak last year. The dangers of liquid silicone reaching the lungs are well known, and my guess is that he was willfully ignoring the persistent cough (if indeed there was one), terrified of what it could be - or maybe everyone was just idiotically ignorant.

I'm not trying to defend or exonerate Dylan in any way - I have seen enough and heard from people who've met him what a repugnant cunt he is - but I don't think Tank is the blameless soul he's being portrayed as either.

It's not that this isn't completely likely -- it's just that it's all sort of a moot point in the end. Of course Tank got money, fame, and sexual gratification out of this whole deal, as well as emotional. Dylan wouldn't have been able to suck him in so easily if he didn't. He was lonely and insecure, and this dude offered him not just highly conditional love, but all the validation and physical comforts he could possibly want. Factoring all of that into his overall abusive situation doesn't make him less of a "blameless soul."

Was Jack Chapman perfect? Of course not, he was human. But by all indications, and for all his faults, he really does seem like a sweet, gentle puppy dog of a guy -- the kind the world needs more of. And yeah, he deserved to land someone who would hold him through his insecurities and make him pancakes, but instead, he just so happened to cross paths with Dylan, and here we are.

This guy needs to die in prison and then burn.
 
I can see why someone would want to be a slave like that (not because I share those feelings, mind you) but no matter how horny you are or how extreme your sex life is, you can't live as a slave and not actually be a slave. Willfully allowing yourself to be a slave doesn't change that fact and all the psychological problems that come with it. Maybe designate specific days for this stuff. Like maybe you be a slave over the weekend, but when monday comes you're back to your normal life.

It's fucked that the BDSM community as a whole does not reiterate this. I'm sure there are plenty of similar cases (with less involuntary manslaughter) because no one warns people about this. They act like being a slave with someone you trust is the best thing ever, never acknowledging the dangers that are glossed over because it starts consensual.

I'm not apart of the BDSM scene so I can't say I know exactly what I'm talking about, but from what I've read there's something called aftercare that sub is supposed to receive from the Dom after some rough roleplay. I doubt that changes when it's a 24/7 type of deal, and I'm sure someone like Dylan could easily make his pups think that by showing them any amount of positive attention it's some sort of replacement for aftercare.
 
Jack is survived by a brother and his mum. Revealing some power level here, but I know Jack personally.

His father died a few years back and left a house in Melbourne's suburbs to him and his brother — it is the one mentioned in Jack's Tumblr with a floor plan and rental details.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Was Jack hardcore into being a bear and slave well before his dad’s death? (I thought it was mentioned he and Dylan had known each other for eight years)

I wondered if there was a big difference in his appearance after he started interacting with Dylan or he was already looking like a steroid abuser.

Inheriting a house in Melbourne would have had him sitting pretty given the housing prices in Australian cities. It seemed like he was somewhat financially dependent on Dylan while living in the USA. I’m assuming he and his brother get rental income out of the home or maybe his brother lived in it. Had the house been sold Jack would have probably had a couple hundred grand to support himself living in SF.
 
All these dudes had HIV and accepted being HIV positive as part of this lifestyle, right? It was casually mentioned earlier by someone that they were all "medicated" and listed themselves as "undetectable" (Meaning they had AIDS) but there's no mention of their status in any social media posts or screenshots. Is getting HIV so little of a concern to those in Dylan's circle that they don't even feel the need to discuss the fact them and all their partners happen to have the disease?

I don't know any of them or their situation, but want to clarify something.

If you are infected with HIV and take anti-retroviral medication for a certain period of time, your viral load will become what they call "Undetectable"

That doesn't mean they have AIDS. AIDS is the immunodeficiency syndrome which occurs when the HIV virus is uncontrolled. Basically turns your immune system to shit and you die of strange things like the flu.
 
It's not that this isn't completely likely -- it's just that it's all sort of a moot point in the end. Of course Tank got money, fame, and sexual gratification out of this whole deal, as well as emotional. Dylan wouldn't have been able to suck him in so easily if he didn't. He was lonely and insecure, and this dude offered him not just highly conditional love, but all the validation and physical comforts he could possibly want. Factoring all of that into his overall abusive situation doesn't make him less of a "blameless soul."

Was Jack Chapman perfect? Of course not, he was human. But by all indications, and for all his faults, he really does seem like a sweet, gentle puppy dog of a guy -- the kind the world needs more of. And yeah, he deserved to land someone who would hold him through his insecurities and make him pancakes, but instead, he just so happened to cross paths with Dylan, and here we are.

This guy needs to die in prison and then burn.

I don't disagree, but I think the actual "abuse" amounts to the way he treated Tank during the 'breakup' - making public personal details of their relationship and transgressions (and the law suit) - was utterly shitty, but then I'm pretty sure it's a matter of record that Tank was doing the same.

The whole issue with the 'contract' - it amounts to an agreed set of rules and is effectively LARPing being a slave. The 'slave' gets something, the 'Master' gets something. Did it go a bit too far in the level of "control" - yup, absolutely. But this is a situation that Tank consented to and it played into his erotic self-image, regardless of the amount of love he was or wasn't getting from Dylan.

In terms of the silicone - Dylan is just one part of a larger community attempting to normalise the practice. Making out that Tank was just a poor manipulated puppy who wouldn't have done this if it hadn't been for Dylan - no, it's a dynamic that formed out of the relationship between the two of them and the poly group.

In any case I can't see any way for Dylan to be charged with anything - and the damage to him is already done in that his reputation is the most precious thing to him, and that's now in tatters.
 
:autism: Isn't this thread better for the main Lolcow board now? :autism:

Or does any hint of furryness mean you're in Animal Control spergatory forever?

Once a furry, always a furry. Dyed in the wool. You can shear this wolf in sheep’s clothing, but the fleece of degeneracy will always grow back.
 
Keep hearing how Tank was just a poor tortured beautiful soul who was manipulated and abused by a dangerous sociopath. While I'm in no way defending what the tiny Filipino did, I think it's a bit of a simplified and convenient version of things.

The thing you have to keep in mind is what was on offer to Tank. In gay bear circles, being in an established stable poly relationship generally gives you a level of fame, prestige and notoriety on the local bear scene. You get known very fast. On top of the basic level of fame that instantly comes from being in a visible poly group, Dylan is actually not halfway bad at brand building - and he did this extensively through various social media platforms, so the fame was pretty global in reach.

Tank got a lot out of this "abusive" relationship - fame and notoriety for one thing - but also access to a lifestyle that he could not afford by himself. Living in a poly group with guys with decent salaries gives the household significant economies of scale. So you have a higher disposable income for partying and - in the case of Dylan's group - access to steroids. And again, building up and getting huge feeds back into the 'fame' in bear circles. Not only was the group very visible in terms of a poly 'familly' - but they had the ideal bodies (even if a great deal of it was photoshop - Dylan routinely shops abs onto his pics for example, it's not all that subtle). While there's a lot of suggestion that Dylan manipulated Tank into getting big - I don't buy it. Tank would have wanted that for himself, and so Dylan/the group setup was just a means to an end.

We can see that a lot of the power dynamic between the two of them was monetary, in that when Tank 'left' Dylan and 'broke the agreement' - Dylan punished him with financial penalties. The melodrama that played out when Tank left - ehh, just angry ranting from a guy wanting sympathy from his friends who he'd already pulled away from to devote time to his "Master". Of course he went back. We're talking about the equivalent of Geri Halliwell leaving the Spice Girls and realising she's no-one without the band.

The silicone body mods are a slightly more complex situation - but realistically, again, Tank would have wanted it. If he's a bottom he doesn't need his dick to function for fucking (no chance to change your mind though) - and indeed this would feed into an erotic self-image of being a "big bull designed to be bred" - he would be getting off on that. Did Dylan push it further than Tank would have been willing to go? We'll never know. Certainly there would have been a huge amount of 'normalisation' of the extreme modification within the group and the "silicone community" they were a part of. It's likely he wouldn't have gone as far if he'd not been in the group - but pinning that all on Dylan is a simplistic rationale.

For sure he was probably a lovely guy, but we're not talking about Mother Theresa here - this is a man in his twenties who won big on the bear fame jackpot, and enjoyed that lifestyle. He should have been aware of the risks of liquid silicone in the body - and especially so after the death of Peter Dovak last year. The dangers of liquid silicone reaching the lungs are well known, and my guess is that he was willfully ignoring the persistent cough (if indeed there was one), terrified of what it could be - or maybe everyone was just idiotically ignorant.

I'm not trying to defend or exonerate Dylan in any way - I have seen enough and heard from people who've met him what a repugnant cunt he is - but I don't think Tank is the blameless soul he's being portrayed as either.
How come poly bears get more fame?
 
"Different form" as in "you're not going to die"
It's clear one is more serious/bad than another and implying they're equal or as common is ignoring the real problem

Women in heterosexual relationships are just as capable of violence and abuse. Men are often too ashamed to report incidents or talk about it, because of the stigma they’ll be seen as less of a man for “allowing” it to happen. Been there.
 
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Can someone who knew them IRL confirm something for us?

All these dudes had HIV and accepted being HIV positive as part of this lifestyle, right? It was casually mentioned earlier by someone that they were all "medicated" and listed themselves as "undetectable" (Meaning they had AIDS) but there's no mention of their status in any social media posts or screenshots. Is getting HIV so little of a concern to those in Dylan's circle that they don't even feel the need to discuss the fact them and all their partners happen to have the disease?
An undetectable viral load is the opposite of AIDS. It means your HIV is under control because your cell counts are near normal and your viral load is too low to transmit.
 
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