Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

[Jub-Jub]

Its a weirdly proud feeling watching a lolcalf transitioning into lowcowdom:
https://twitter.com/NickRekieta/status/1055927978310492163 (https://archive.fo/zUAZz)
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https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1055934005772722177 (https://archive.fo/323Y9)
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I love that these exceptional individuals have fully embraced the Mafia mobster gimmick:
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Nick Rekieta has been out lawyer-ed again, that's what you get for messing with a SUPER Lawyer Rackets

 

[Slimy Time]

Setting a new standard in Super Lawyering:
https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1055918960196141056 http://archive.is/nbzJ2
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Come on now, those have to be photoshopped. No lawyer is that stupid to compare people to a bomber...right...guys?

 

[Least Concern]

On ComicsGate Live, EVS is claiming that GoFundMe does not permit campaigns to raise funds for legal defense. I was curious, so I checked the rules:

…you agree to not use the Services to:

A. to raise funds in connection with any of the following activities or items, including by establishing or contributing to any Campaign with the implicit or express purpose relating to any of the following: …

8. campaigns deemed by GoFundMe, in its sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defense of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism, or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity, or serious disabilities or diseases;

Arguably, this is a defense of a crime associated with harassment and bullying, but there's still plenty of wiggle room for GFM to not take it down if they don't want to; for example, they could argue the rules only apply to defense in criminal cases, not civil ones.

That being said, I think this rule is dumb and people should be able to fundraise their legal defense no matter what they're accused of. Justice is expensive.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Nick Rekieta has been out lawyer-ed again, that's what you get for messing with a SUPER Lawyer Rackets
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The slap fight between zaid and rekeita is turning into the B plot of this drama. It's great.

 

[AnOminous]

That being said, I think this rule is dumb and people should be able to fundraise their legal defense no matter what they're accused of. Justice is expensive.

They probably don't want to get involved in criminal defense funds because they can't investigate them and it would be a really great way to end up sucked into some money laundering fiasco.

 

[damian]

Joe Glass puts his money where his mouth is....

all $30 of it!

He believes so hard:

He donated $10 twice:

Which is it?:

Thanks for letting us know, you stand for empty virtue signalling:

Some of these are amazing. Most are just the typical NPC replies.

 

[AnOminous]

Joe Glass puts his money where his mouth is....

all $30 of it!

Well, that's certainly a Glass Joe sized donation right there.

 

[damian]

Kwanzer is many things...

...years late on his KS (Black AF) and calls PoC in CG coons and house niggers...

...But, at least he knows his priorities:

 

[DragoonSierra]

@AnOminous I remember Jack Thompson getting thrown off his court case against Rockstar for all the spergery on the internet back in the day. Is it possible that Zaid could get reprimanded for this?

Waid posted this on his website:

GOFUNDME
Oct 25, 2018 By Mark Waid

My name is Mark Waid. I’m a comics writer. In September, I was sued by a man named Richard Meyer, one of the perceived leaders of an online movement called “ComicsGate” that I and many comics professionals strongly feel has unfairly and offensively targeted women, people of color, and LGBTQ+ creators working in our industry. (You can read more about some perspectives on ComicsGate in the Washington Post and on Inverse.) Mr. Meyer alleges that I deliberately and singlehandedly blocked the publication of one of his comic books. I did no such thing, and I believe this lawsuit is his effort to try and intimidate and silence those of us who stand up publicly against bigotry and racism and who continue to defend diverse creators from harassment..

Mr. Meyer is also suing me for defamation, claiming that in taking a stand against ComicsGate, I have defamed him by allegedly referring to him as a “racist,” “serial harasser of minorities,” and as “affiliated with white supremacists.” Here is just a small sampling of Mr. Meyer’s social media posts that can be judged by their content:

You can learn more about the lawsuit--and Mr. Meyer’s online presence--here, here, and here.

Even though I am confident that Mr. Meyer’s claims are entirely meritless, lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming. If I were wealthy, a lawsuit wouldn’t be much of an issue, but I work, y’know, IN COMICS. My expenses already tally more than $25,000, with much larger bills to come. Still, for nearly 40 years, I’ve been lucky enough to write stories featuring heroes we all know--characters like Superman and Captain America--who taught me at an early age to stand up for kindness, equality, and tolerance. I have never backed down from bullies, especially those who denigrate my friends, colleagues and the values our community stands for, and while I am not a rich man, you have my solemn promise that I will fight this fight no matter the personal cost.

But I’m going to need your help.

If you believe, as I do, that a person of color should be allowed to write and draw comics without being called a “race hustler” or a “minstrel show” performer, donate to my GoFundMe legal fund [link]. Send that message. If you believe, as I do, that a woman should have the right to work in this or any industry without being called a “c**dumpster,” donate [link]. Make yourself heard. If you believe that your gender or sexual preference should have no bearing on what and how you choose to create, donate [link]. Stand with me.

It isn’t just about me; if we don’t fight online harassment, it only becomes nastier and more powerful. This is an important fight. Again, you can donate here:

DONATE HERE

Thank you for having my back.

None of those show that he is specifically a "racist", a "serial harasser of minorities", or "affiliated with white supremacists" as opposed to Mark Waids tweets which shows he called Meyer those very things.

It's going to be interesting to see how quickly and how far Waid's gofundme will go, he's gotten 4.2k in 5 hours so far. So far it looks like Zack's got enough money to fund his by himself and hopefully Waid will have to cover his legal costs after losing. One thing is for certain, CG is chomping at the bit to throw money at Zack and he will far outperform Waid's gofundme if needed.


He knows the secret recipe

This Go Fund me is going to ensure is that Waid cant say hes broke when hes forced to pay up

Assuming that Zaid gets Paid by Waid, of course.

If Waid loses, Meyer will get Paid by Waid while drinking Lemonade in the Shade

Didn't waid defame Meyers more in his go fund me? Am I reading this right. Hes getting for saying x, so he doubles down and says x more? Is this like the chewbaca defense from south park?

That Go Fund me is fairly well crafted with gems like "perceived leaders", "strongly feel" and "perspectives"

I honestly can't see them win the Tort lawsuit. The defamation suit definitely I can see it being thrown out but, outside of threatening the judge, I don't see them winning the Tort.

But doesnt the defamation sort of go hand in hand with the tort case? Arent they kind of linked together? Wouldnt an outright dismissal of the defamation case be premature when discovery hasnt happened?

 

[RadicalCentrist]

I see. Mark Zaid is trying the innovative legal strategy of committing even greater fuckups than his client as a form of a smoke screen.

 

[AnOminous]

But doesnt the defamation sort of go hand in hand with the tort case? Arent they kind of linked together? Wouldnt an outright dismissal of the defamation case be premature when discovery hasnt happened?

There's not any factual dispute that I know of as to whether Waid said what he's accused of saying, just whether it's actionable defamation. It doesn't have to be actionable defamation to constitute tortious interference, though.

 

[Water-T]

I see. Mark Zaid is trying the innovative legal strategy of committing even greater fuckups than his client as a form of a smoke screen.

Waid: "Your Honor, I move to dismiss my case on the grounds that my lawyer is a bigger sperg than I am"

 

[RadicalCentrist]

Waid: "Your Honor, I move to dismiss my case on the grounds that my lawyer is a bigger sperg than I am"

Can't you argue for a retrial based upon misconduct by your counsel? I know it's an option, just rarely successfully argued.

 

[AnOminous]

Can't you argue for a retrial based upon misconduct by your counsel? I know it's an option, just rarely successfully argued.

There isn't an ineffective assistance of counsel defense in a civil case. Your only real option is to sue them for malpractice and hope their insurance covers it if they can't.

 

[DragoonSierra]

There's not any factual dispute that I know of as to whether Waid said what he's accused of saying, just whether it's actionable defamation. It doesn't have to be actionable defamation to constitute tortious interference, though.

ok then. What if during discovery for the tort case something new was discovered that could be actionable. Could they refile?

 

[JohnDoe]

ok then. What if during discovery for the tort case something new was discovered that could be actionable. Could they refile?

They wouldn't need to refile the entire case, just make a pretty straightforward motion to enter it into evidence.

 

[soy_king]

On ComicsGate Live, EVS is claiming that GoFundMe does not permit campaigns to raise funds for legal defense. I was curious, so I checked the rules:

Arguably, this is a defense of a crime associated with harassment and bullying, but there's still plenty of wiggle room for GFM to not take it down if they don't want to; for example, they could argue the rules only apply to defense in criminal cases, not civil ones.

That being said, I think this rule is dumb and people should be able to fundraise their legal defense no matter what they're accused of. Justice is expensive.

They probably don't want to get involved in criminal defense funds because they can't investigate them and it would be a really great way to end up sucked into some money laundering fiasco.

But this isn't a criminal defense fund. This is a purely civil matter.

 

[AnOminous]

But this isn't a criminal defense fund. This is a purely civil matter.

Which is why they probably won't care.

 

[Least Concern]

But this isn't a criminal defense fund. This is a purely civil matter.

The rule doesn't state anything about "criminal defense;" just "legal defense." Maybe in legal terms, the two mean the same thing, but if not, then I think that, if IGG has to be called in to rule on the matter, there's wiggle room for them to rule in favor of closing the campaign, and just as much room for them to rule in favor of leaving it open.

 

[soy_king]

The rule doesn't state anything about "criminal defense;" just "legal defense." Maybe in legal terms, the two mean the same thing, but if not, then I think that, if IGG has to be called in to rule on the matter, there's wiggle room for them to rule in favor of closing the campaign, and just as much room for them to rule in favor of leaving it open.

Yes it says "legal fund for a criminal defense," but this isn't a criminal case, this is a civil case. As much of a piece of manbaby garbage as Waid is, he hasn't committed a crime by interfering in a contract or defaming yaboi.