Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

Waid Livestream - What will happen?

  • Talks about the lawsuit.

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Further incriminates himself.

    Votes: 18 48.6%
  • Defames YaBoi again.

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • Doesn't talk about the lawsuit nor CG.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Host disagrees with Waid on something, chimpout insues.

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Normal interview. (no drama)

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37
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You might wonder why exactly Mark Waid is so desperate to get this case out of Texas, to the point of making very silly arguments against personal jurisdiction. It has to do with his defense, and he's already given some hints as to his possible defense in the motion to dismiss, even though it isn't remotely relevant to jurisdiction so giving it away early is kind of an own goal by Zaid.

Let's take a look.

During the one telephone call between Mr. Waid and Antarctic Press, as confirmed by Antarctic Press itself, Mr. Waid did not force or threaten Antarctic Press regarding whether to enter into business with Plaintiff. In fact, by the time Mr. Waid had spoken to Antarctic Press, the publisher indicated it had already decided to sever ties with Plaintiff, because it had learned more about his conduct and unfavorable reputation. See Ex. A, ¶¶ 16-17. The representative told Mr. Waid that, after learning more about Plaintiff, Antarctic Press found Plaintiff’s conduct “indefensible.” Id. Mr. Waid did not tell or even ask Antarctic Press to not publish JAWBREAKERS. Id. ¶¶ 16-18. In public tweets, Antarctic Press stated:

FACTS: Mark Waid put a call in to our office. Staff took a message and told Mr.
Waid our publisher would be informed. Nobody at AP … felt threatened in any
way by Mr. Waid’s call. We have not been bullied into a decision by any comics
pro.​

….Mark Waid did not bully anyone at our company. Though he did call and
express concern….Mark shed more light on the situation, and other factors came
into play that do not involve any staff or freelancers at any other company, that led
us to our decision….​

That sounds like a good defense, right? It's completely irrelevant to personal jurisdiction and Zaid is arguing about the actual case, which he shouldn't be doing here, but let's let that slide for the moment.

Let's distill this. Zaid's argument is that Waid can't have induced Antarctic to breach the contract because they'd already decided to break it.

Specifically, Antarctic would have broken the contract regardless of Waid's actions.

I seriously doubt the factual claim is true, but unfortunately for Waid, it wouldn't help him even if it were true.

His problem is there's a Texas case directly on point called Knox v. Taylor. Rackets mentioned this case during his stream and I think it's been mentioned in the thread before.

What does that case say about a similar thing?

Appellants also contend the testimony of Watson establishes Titan would have exited the contract surety business regardless of Knox's actions.

The relevant fact, though, was that Titan, the relevant contracting party in the case, had not yet breached the contract. In fact, in this case, Titan had an exit clause allowing them to terminate the agreement.

In other words, the contract was still there at the time the defendant interfered with it.

Finally, with respect to whether receiving the anonymous package “accelerated” Titan's decision to exit the contract surety business, Watson responded, “Oh, I'd say that it was a, you know, sort of the icing on the cake.”

Similarly, Antarctic's coerced public statement says more or less that Mark Waid's call was just the icing on the cake. "Mark shed more light on the situation."

The relevant matter is the timing, not how the parties characterized it subsequently. The contract had not been breached when Mark Waid called. That occurred afterwards. Even if Waid's interference was just the "icing on the cake" he still loses.

This is why Zaid really, really wants this case out of Texas.

(That wouldn't help for other reasons, because Texas law would still be the relevant binding law even if it were heard in another state but that's another issue.)

It gets better. About an hour later, he starts talking about he hopes this motion gets sanctioned.

Edit: Somebody in chat pointed out Waid was at a Texas con doing a signing in May. Does that make the statement he does no business in Texas actionable?

Yes, if that's really true. It's a pretty egregious misrepresentation, since going to Texas literally for the business he's in is obviously relevant. It undercuts any claim that it's a huge onerous burden for him to defend a case in Texas when he goes there for business already. Even if that wouldn't establish jurisdiction by itself it's clearly material to the due process analysis.
 
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First result on google. There is a con in Texas the first week of May next year. Sounds highly probable. Even the signing at a LCS would be enough, right?

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Found a facebook post from a Houston Con promoting Waid being a guest

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Mark was so smart that he managed to admit to the TI and defame Meyer again and it's on tape.
@damian posted it earlier Time stamp (18:34)
Damian made a rough trancript of what Waid said:
"That’s...It’s tough to answer, because I’m trying...you don’t want to give oxygen too much to toxic toxic people but what he’s basically talking about there is, there are....just as there are unpop I mean right in the world right now it just in the comic books in the world you got heavily you know male heavy um movements of guys who are trying to move things back towards white supremacy, back towards a world which women knew their place, uh that kind of nonsense, um and (they’re within the proud boys) or they’re you know this group or that group and Comics has you know a group or 2 like that too, Comics fans have a group who have better (inteligable) are to too and it’s changed, um tryin to say without inflaming anything, recently um one of them, one of these groups kickstarted a comic and great awesome they’re gonna do they’re own graphic novel cause they’re super, hyper conservative guys and the myth was, the rap* was that comics was not interested in creating conservative creators or we’re not, we’re throwing conservative creators out, that’s not the case at all, it’s a lot of conservative creators in comics, we, we’re throwing assholes out, that what we’re doing for every, for every conservative asshole who we don’t work within comics, there’s 10 liberal assholes who we don’t work within comics, so if that’s not, there’s no, there’s no political yardstick here, uh these guys created the, they did their comic, great awesome, then they started doing things like making a list of the stores, there was, there was a bunch of the stores that decided they were not going to carry the comic, so these guys made a list of those stores and their phone and the numbers and the names of first and last of all their employees and with the idea that “Oh no, don’t call them and harass them, I’m not telling you to do that at all.” (said sarcastically), but here’s their phone numbers and their first and last names of all their employees, but c’mon so, there was a publisher here in Texas who was going to publish their comic, where, after their kisckstarter they were gonna publish it for comic stores and there was a huge amount of hatred toward that publisher at this moment there was a, most people in comics, most fans of comics were looking at this as “How? What are you doing? These guys are, these are indefensible human beings.” uh they are, they, they harass women, they harass minorities, they harass lgbtq people, they’re full of hate, What are you doing? And my feeling is, look let baby keep his bottle , I, I don’t care who published the comic, I don’t care wether you publish this comic or not i don’t care but I knew the publisher and I don’t think he was aware of why all of a sudden there was this gigantic ground swell of hate towards him, so I said before a hate mob burns his place to the ground, let me call him and find out what’s going on, wether he understands (unintelligible) if he wants to publish it that’s great I don’t care but I just, I know the guy and want to make sure he knows why the hordes of Hell are defending upon him right now, that’s seems reasonable right? You know long story short, I did call the publisher and said “You do what you want and I’m not, I’m not asking you to not publish it, I’m not even saying, I’m not saying anything, I just curious what you’re thinking.” And the answer was “Oh my god, we had no idea, like we really didn’t vet this before we decided to publish it.” And so they made an announcement that they weren’t gonna publish it, uh that’s their choice, I wasn’t, i you know I, I didn’t, I wasn’t intimidating them, I wasn’t pushing them into doing one thing or another, I just wanted to, to look out for him, make sure he understood why people are angry at him, um and so that turned into what, me getting death threats every, you know 5-6 hours for a while, I’m cause I clearly hate, you know I clearly hate conservatives, because I didn’t, I said, I’m clearly I’m bullying comics, apparently I’m bullying comic publishers, I’m calling publisher and bullying into not publi-, if I can, if I can bully publishers I’d be rich, if I could bully publishers I’d be writing Superman tomorrow, I can, there would be so many things I would be doing if I were really, if I had a power to make publishers do what I wanted them to do, um does that kinda answer you question? It’s kinda, it’s uh, uh, people can you know feel what they wanna feel, ah uh yeah, you are, you aren’t, you aren’t with them are ya? Okay. I didn’t, I didn’t drive you guys out did I? One more question."
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Can't wait to read Byrne's motion in opposition to dismiss. Any idea when we may see that?

Depends when it's calendared for hearing I think. I think the opposition is 14 days before then.

I could see them responding quickly, though, because Meyer's side doesn't really have any interest in delay. They want to get this show on the road.

It just keeps getting better. Rackets says there is audio of Waid insulting Meyer while at that same Houston Con.

If so, then he was actually physically present in Texas committing part of the pattern of defamatory statements the case is about, making his perjury in his declaration Super Perjury.

If I were Meyer's attorneys in this situation and budget permitted, I'd want to bring this smug asshole into emergency deposition immediately for deposition solely on the issue of personal jurisdiction to answer some questions about this shit.
 
How does a lawyer of Zaids supposed caliber make such a rookie mistake? Isn't rule 1 for an attorney to check if what your idiot client says is factual before writing it down for the court? My dentist doesn't believe me when I tell him how much I floss! You would think a lawyer would have an even stronger bullshit detector. The consequences here are far worse then overlooking a cavity.
 
How does a lawyer of Zaids supposed caliber make such a rookie mistake? Isn't rule 1 for an attorney to check if what your idiot client says is factual before writing it down for the court? My dentist doesn't believe me when I tell him how much I floss! You would think a lawyer would have an even stronger bullshit detector. The consequences here are far worse then overlooking a cavity.

Clients are always liars.
 
How does a lawyer of Zaids supposed caliber make such a rookie mistake? Isn't rule 1 for an attorney to check if what your idiot client says is factual before writing it down for the court? My dentist doesn't believe me when I tell him how much I floss! You would think a lawyer would have an even stronger bullshit detector. The consequences here are far worse then overlooking a cavity.
The guy was doing cases involving UFOs and conspiracy theories. His bullshit meter is broken.
 
It just keeps getting better. Rackets says there is audio of Waid insulting Meyer while at that same Houston Con.
If so, then he was actually physically present in Texas committing part of the pattern of defamatory statements the case is about, making his perjury in his declaration Super Perjury.
Whoops, in TEXAS when he made those comments:
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I'm not sure he had much to do with the actual functional parts of this filing. The boilerplate jurisdictional language is probably by local counsel, and closely tracks the local case law and much of it is probably lifted from similar 12(b)(2) motions filed by the same local firm and adapted to the specific facts of this case.

There's also a lot of puffing and hysterical bullshit, and that is probably Zaid's contribution. Instead of citing statutes or case law, it cites blog posts from shit like "Bleeding Cool" that are written by friends of Waid. None of this stuff is remotely relevant to jurisdiction, the only issue currently before the court. That appears to be Zaid's contribution. That and some $750 tweets. Not impressed.

Rackets also cited what seems like at least borderline unethical behavior from local counsel. I have no personal knowledge, but it's alleged that in requesting the extension of time to respond, local counsel didn't disclose to Meyer's counsel that Zaid was still on the case, making it look like they were just new lawyers trying to come up to speed on a case that was new to them.

In actual fact, it was still always Zaid, who didn't file for PHV until after the extension was granted. He didn't need any time, he just hadn't taken the time he already had to do it. Too busy tweeting I guess.

This is fairly minor, in that Meyer's counsel probably wouldn't have opposed the motion anyway, but it's actually scummy specifically because of that. There was absolutely no need to be slimy and underhanded about this, and even with no real advantage, they went the slimy, underhanded route.

Really, even if you are going to go slimy and underhanded, as a matter of strategy, you should wait for when it will actually get you an advantage. I'm pretty sure Meyer's counsel will be much less likely to let these scumbags get away with an unopposed motion in the future if they later need one.

It may be reading too much into the opening salvos, but while I initially thought local counsel might bring Captain Cloud Cuckoo Zaid down to earth (because they are on the hook for any sanctions from his clownish conduct), it looks like they're joining in on it themselves instead.

I expect more scorched earth tactics.

That's good for us because :popcorn:
Thank you for the detailed analysis. Upon the quality of this filing and his presumed contribution, I must wonder what contribution he made towards his ever famous Libya case. Maybe the guess that he rode off the coattails of others might be accurate.
 
There is. Zack played it in a video a few months back.

This is retarded beyond belief. Why the fuck would your opener in a court case be perjury? There's not even any point to it. He's lying about shit that doesn't even matter as he'd lose the jurisdiction issue even without this.
 
This is exceptional beyond belief. Why the fuck would your opener in a court case be perjury? There's not even any point to it. He's lying about shit that doesn't even matter as he'd lose the jurisdiction issue even without this.
They know they are guilty AF and the only way to get out is to blatantly lie about it and deny everything.
 
I'm listening to Rekieta's fiery stream about the Waid response currently ("and if you disingenuously attempt to misunderstand that, you deserve all the testicles you have gargled in your career, and all the sweat that has dripped onto your tonsils from it!"), and all this inclusion of tweets and anti-CG articles from the NPC press in the response has me thinking.

Back during GamerGate, the FBI announced they were looking into the gamer threat threat and then did absolutely nothing about it (except perhaps rolling their eyes), thus proving that GamerGaters weren't quite the terrorists that Law and Order and the press made them out to be. Meanwhile, Waid's attorneys want to include all of this stuff and make this a case about the sentiments of ComicsGaters rather than merely a business deal between two Texans. Okay, they can do that, but then if this thing goes to trial and Waid loses, then, in a way, the things ComicsGaters are saying will have been vindicated in a federal court.

Waid is literally making a federal case out of ComicsGate, and he's probably going to lose.

ETA: "Is she factually a Dumpster that receives cum?" :lit:
 
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The chat was talking about Houston Comicspalooza 2018 https://www.comicpalooza.com/guests/2018-guests/mark-waid/ https://archive.fo/7ePjH
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Mark was so smart that he managed to admit to the TI and defame Meyer again and it's on tape.
@damian posted it earlier Time stamp (18:34)
Damian made a rough trancript of what Waid said:
Heh, it'd be a shame is some woke, leftwing shill company removed those videos and somehow there weren't any backups to be found.
Oh wait
mixtape.moe:
SJW Mark Waid Tells A BLACK Fan Of Mine That I'm "Indefensible" And Working Toward "White Supremacy"
EP 232 - Comicpalooza 2018 featuring: Mark Waid, Ming Chen, and More!
Meyer and his attorney seem smart enough to have done this already, but it never hurts to lend a hand.
 
I'm not sure he had much to do with the actual functional parts of this filing. The boilerplate jurisdictional language is probably by local counsel, and closely tracks the local case law and much of it is probably lifted from similar 12(b)(2) motions filed by the same local firm and adapted to the specific facts of this case.

There's also a lot of puffing and hysterical bullshit, and that is probably Zaid's contribution. Instead of citing statutes or case law, it cites blog posts from shit like "Bleeding Cool" that are written by friends of Waid. None of this stuff is remotely relevant to jurisdiction, the only issue currently before the court. That appears to be Zaid's contribution. That and some $750 tweets. Not impressed.

Rackets also cited what seems like at least borderline unethical behavior from local counsel. I have no personal knowledge, but it's alleged that in requesting the extension of time to respond, local counsel didn't disclose to Meyer's counsel that Zaid was still on the case, making it look like they were just new lawyers trying to come up to speed on a case that was new to them.

In actual fact, it was still always Zaid, who didn't file for PHV until after the extension was granted. He didn't need any time, he just hadn't taken the time he already had to do it. Too busy tweeting I guess.

This is fairly minor, in that Meyer's counsel probably wouldn't have opposed the motion anyway, but it's actually scummy specifically because of that. There was absolutely no need to be slimy and underhanded about this, and even with no real advantage, they went the slimy, underhanded route.

Really, even if you are going to go slimy and underhanded, as a matter of strategy, you should wait for when it will actually get you an advantage. I'm pretty sure Meyer's counsel will be much less likely to let these scumbags get away with an unopposed motion in the future if they later need one.

It may be reading too much into the opening salvos, but while I initially thought local counsel might bring Captain Cloud Cuckoo Zaid down to earth (because they are on the hook for any sanctions from his clownish conduct), it looks like they're joining in on it themselves instead.

I expect more scorched earth tactics.

That's good for us because :popcorn:
It sounded like Nick said at one point in the stream there were two different local firms involved at two different points?
 
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