Rebranding

Finalise the domain.

  • kiwifarms.net

    Votes: 55 57.3%
  • atsimu.com

    Votes: 24 25.0%
  • Neither

    Votes: 17 17.7%

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"Marked cultural change"?

Dude what do you think is going to happen? We're literally talking about changing the domain name, not a Communist revolution. It will change absolutely nothing about anything except for the arbitrary sentimental value you hold in your head, which, frankly, is up to you, not us.

You're conflating cultural values of a forum with it's outward representation to the uninitiated. They are not the same thing.

Also what is hypothetical about newcomers? They clearly exist. They come in every day. Nobody is lobbying for a cultural change.

Stop obsessing over words so much. Look at the meaning behind the words, then decide.
Here's the thing: if the forums are given a name that's intended to sum up what happens here, that requires a clear, narrow definition of what happens here .

As you acknowledge, different groups of people have different uses for this site. Picking a descriptive name based on one particular use sends a very strong message that this is the "correct" use.

As a somewhat hyperbolic example: atsimu.com sends a different message to unclenullshugbox.org.

Basically, I'd prefer a neutral name like Kiwi Farms.

I talk of hypothetical new users because the name chosen will have some effect on the users who come here. kicktheautistic.com would attract some people who wouldn't join unusualpsy.ch - and vice-versa.
 
When I do pick up a 2nd domain I will hack the form a bit.

If you access it from the new URL, you'll get the standard index page.
If you access it from the CWCkiForums.com, you'll see a modified view that only has the Chris boards, displayed as they are now.

You should make sure to link to the other URL at the top of each, so newcomers don't get confused. "Maybe you were looking for Chris-chan? cwckiforums.com", "Maybe you're looking for a different kind of lolcow? kiwifarms.com" or something.
 
Here's the thing: if the forums are given a name that's intended to sum up what happens here, that requires a clear, narrow definition of what happens here .

As you acknowledge, different groups of people have different uses for this site. Picking a descriptive name based on one particular use sends a very strong message that this is the "correct" use.
Call me crazy but "talking about lolcows" seems like the correct use for an Internet forum devoted to lolcows, which was founded specifically for the purpose of talking about lolcows, where all of the people are intimately aware of the nature of lolcows.

Most people do gradually grow to stray from that core focus, and occasionally post here just to "talk to the web homiez" or whatever, play forum games, do social things yes, but that's not the core reason they come here in the FIRST place - logically, it CAN'T be the core reason they come here, in the same way that if you knew nothing about cars, you wouldn't go to a car enthusiast forum just to "hang out and chill". Remember that all words are just representatives of subjective meaning, and the meaning of a brand name is ONLY relevant to uninitiated newcomers. To the existing userbase, it is meaningless, because they have already formed their own "meaning" which supersedes anything we could come up with because it's in their heads, not ours. This is empirical logic.

We aren't excluding anything by promoting our core focus, because the people who come here to talk about shit other than lolcows have already shown that they don't give a fuck what the core focus is, they're going to talk about other stuff anyway, even if it isn't the core focus - and that's totally fine and nobody has a problem with that, that's in fact the entire reason we set up the Off-Topic boards.

Having your community derail from the stated core focus (whether it be lolcows, matchbox cars, or video games or anything) and just spend time talking with each other, even if it isn't about the core focus of the site, is an inevitable consequence of the way human beings interact within communities. Changing the name of the site isn't going to change that. It can't change that.

Sometimes a name is just a name. Would anyone actively refuse to shoot the shit in Off-Topic if we changed the name? Would you really stop posting here if we called it something else? I fucking doubt it, because you've already (presumably) formed connections and relationships with other users, which will continue to persist regardless of the name of the site. Nothing we can do is going to change that. I think you are vastly overestimating the amount of power the staff and administrative changes have over the "forums culture", and vastly underestimating the user base's perseverance and stubbornness despite anything we could ever do.

I literally do not give a fuck what we name the forum because I will still post here anyway even if it is named CHILDPORN.GOV, I just think that whatever we do, we need to make the decision based on logic, not reactionary emotion.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, but a lot of your fears are based on things that are totally speculative and based on, well, your feelings - I think a lot of that comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what branding actually does and doesn't do (as well as how communities form and function) and I think you need to step back and look at it from a purely logical perspective because you're coming off as a little hysterical.
 
I don't see a big problem with Kiwi Forums/Farms. Yes, we might be confused with the people, bird or the fruit but we can change our tag line to "not affiliated with the bird or the fruit." Would New Zealanders be looking for a forum for New Zealanders? Do New Zealanders need a forum, isn't there not a lot of them? Are they even real?
As for new people won't find us I'm not worried about that, Sonichu.com will still have a link, /cow/ will still talk about us, and lolcows would still find us from googling themselves.
I think the rebranding should happen given the new information we know about Chris. The last thing we want is that Chris does something actually newsworthy and some reporter is like "And there's a whole forum of Cyberbullies out to get him, even the title is named after him."
 
Call me crazy but "talking about lolcows" seems like the correct use for an Internet forum devoted to lolcows, which was founded specifically for the purpose of talking about lolcows, where all of the people are intimately aware of the nature of lolcows.

Most people do gradually grow to stray from that core focus, and occasionally post here just to "talk to the web homiez" or whatever, play forum games, do social things yes, but that's not the core reason they come here in the FIRST place - logically, it CAN'T be the core reason they come here, in the same way that if you knew nothing about cars, you wouldn't go to a car enthusiast forum just to "hang out and chill". Remember that all words are just representatives of subjective meaning, and the meaning of a brand name is ONLY relevant to uninitiated newcomers. To the existing userbase, it is meaningless, because they have already formed their own "meaning" which supersedes anything we could come up with because it's in their heads, not ours. This is empirical logic.

We aren't excluding anything by promoting our core focus, because the people who come here to talk about shit other than lolcows have already shown that they don't give a fuck what the core focus is, they're going to talk about other stuff anyway, even if it isn't the core focus - and that's totally fine and nobody has a problem with that, that's in fact the entire reason we set up the Off-Topic boards.

Having your community derail from the stated core focus (whether it be lolcows, matchbox cars, or video games or anything) and just spend time talking with each other, even if it isn't about the core focus of the site, is an inevitable consequence of the way human beings interact within communities. Changing the name of the site isn't going to change that. It can't change that.

Sometimes a name is just a name. Would anyone actively refuse to shoot the shit in Off-Topic if we changed the name? Would you really stop posting here if we called it something else? I fucking doubt it, because you've already (presumably) formed connections and relationships with other users, which will continue to persist regardless of the name of the site. Nothing we can do is going to change that. I think you are vastly overestimating the amount of power the staff and administrative changes have over the "forums culture", and vastly underestimating the user base's perseverance and stubbornness despite anything we could ever do.

I literally do not give a fuck what we name the forum because I will still post here anyway even if it is named CHILDPORN.GOV, I just think that whatever we do, we need to make the decision based on logic, not reactionary emotion.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, but a lot of your fears are based on things that are totally speculative and based on, well, your feelings - I think a lot of that comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what branding actually does and doesn't do (as well as how communities form and function) and I think you need to step back and look at it from a purely logical perspective because you're coming off as a little hysterical.
:lol:

Oh no, my emotional feelings!

I'm off to my secret Tumblr ventblog in a minute to type like I'm crying so hard I can't type.

But before I go...

I have an opinion about the name of this forum, on a thread all about the name of this forum. I don't mind giving my reasons to support my opinion. Yet somehow you go from that to me being hysterical and all distraught?

You made more sense back when you basically suggested Google and eBay either always existed or achieved their current level of popularity overnight.

I barely post here anymore, dude. There's some cool people here that I like, and some good threads, but at site level my emotional involvement is close to 0.

Now, if you'll excuse me, blhxyddgdhjfd I can't even :heart-empty:
 
"Marked cultural change"?

Dude what do you think is going to happen? We're literally talking about changing the domain name, not a Communist revolution. It will change absolutely nothing about anything except for the arbitrary sentimental value you hold in your head, which, frankly, is up to you, not us.

You're conflating cultural values of a forum with it's outward representation to the uninitiated. They are not the same thing.

Also what is hypothetical about newcomers? They clearly exist. They come in every day. Nobody is lobbying for a cultural change.

Stop obsessing over words so much. Look at the meaning behind the words, then decide.

Then why are we even bothering changing the name? Let's just keep it CWCki Forums, if there's no problem with it.
 
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If you're trying to claim you're not being reactionary or emotional, well, you're not really helping your case here. I'm not attacking you, if that's what you're thinking, just trying to be constructive.

I'm also not insinuating emotions are a bad thing by a long shot, but our strategy for the future of the forums should always be based in logic more than dem feels, which is incidentally the same reason why I am taking this way too fucking seriously. That being said, I'm just one dumb faggot in a sea of hundreds, so feel free to ignore me entirely - just giving some food for thought, that's all.

I have an opinion about the name of this forum, on a thread all about the name of this forum. I don't mind giving my reasons to support my opinion. Yet somehow you go from that to me being hysterical and all distraught?
Hysterical was a shitty word to use. I think what I was trying (poorly) to convey was that you seem to be looking at it from your subjective experience, rather than bigger-picture strategy. Sorry if that was unclear.

You made more sense back when you basically suggested Google and eBay either always existed or achieved their current level of popularity overnight.
I never meant to imply any of that.

Then why are we even bothering changing the name? Let's just keep it CWCki Forums, if there's no problem with it.
Great question!
 
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If you're trying to claim you're not being reactionary or emotional, well, you're not really helping your case here. I'm not attacking you, if that's what you're thinking, just trying to be constructive.

I'm also not insinuating emotions are a bad thing by a long shot, but our strategy for the future of the forums should always be based in logic more than dem feels, which is incidentally the same reason why I am taking this way too fucking seriously. That being said, I'm just one dumb faggot in a sea of hundreds, so feel free to ignore me entirely - just giving some food for thought, that's all.


Hysterical was a shitty word to use. I think what I was trying (poorly) to convey was that you seem to be looking at it from your subjective experience, rather than bigger-picture strategy. Sorry if that was unclear.

"Are you trying to claim you're NOT being hysterical, you hysterical idiot whose opinion I'm going to dismiss by snarkily paraphrasing it in my quote?"

"Oh I'm sorry I shouldn't have called you hysterical."

Seems legit.
 
Apathetic. I'm assuming Chris will still be discussed, and I don't quite see the point of a rebranding, but if it does happen I vote Kiwi Farms/Forum. It's already in common use around here, and kiwi birds are cute.
 
Null wants to decentralize Chris so having it be named the CWCki forums is kind of problematic.

I don't think it's a problem so far. People come here and post about Jace and GK and whomever.

You can't send a telegraph through American Telephone & Telegraph anymore, but you can buy cable TV and Internet from them. They still call themselves AT&T.
 
We could call it Clyde's Null's Retard Bin, though. It gets the point across plainly and is a nod to our history.

Edit: I actually like it better with the wordfilter.
 
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