Scientific Racism

[Gorillagorillagorilla]

I think the only way you could really test this is baby switching.

 

[Floating in Ether]

Certain tribes (that make up the majority of some races) have been documented with markedly lower IQs than more modern civilisations. Many Western countries have higher IQs among different races. It's probably nature + nurture. We learn together, more isolated groups/cultures aren't able to learn or grasp the same concepts that larger settlements of humans can together. Some third world countries have lower IQs in comparison, likely due to several economical factors, less industry and development, less education, less GDP.

I'd say that race is certainly a factor, though environmental factors can maximize a persons overall intelligence.

It is mostly racial, IMHO, BUT, people think in the language they speak. Seems to be a significant linguistic component as well.

https://www.edge.org/conversation/lera_boroditsky-how-does-our-language-shape-the-way-we-think

...but more complex thinkers develop more complex language...

Chicken meet egg.

 

[Jerry_ smith56]

It doesn't matter what IQ each different race has because we are all retarded compared to our robot overlords that will one day take over.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

american blacks arent that far above 70 either, and those have a pretty large amount of white admixture

also the countries you mention look pretty much exactly what you would expect a country with a exceptional population to look like

So you're arguing that American blacks are, on average, just above being literally retarded, and simply dumber than white people, with no nuance or subtlety to that at all?

 

[GS 281]

When people tell me how high their IQ is they're typical useless and hang their hat on scoring well on an online test as a way to validate their opinions of themselves. The IQ test is basically a way for white people to claim their brains work better than blacks to validate their race because their IQ is so low they can't even useit to validate themselves.

IQ is socially constructed, and people mistake it for a measure of the brain's capacity to function. The social construction of IQ goes back several decades, and is based on work done by a body of researchers on bodies of populations in environments that are generally white-dominant. From what I have experienced and read, most people, unless they have a cognitive anomaly that impacts how they think, will be in the same boat in terms of capacity, but their environments and how they formed will have infinite subtle influences on how their intellect forms.

tl;dr, niggers and whites are equally as dumb.

 

[Floating in Ether]

I think the only way you could really test this is baby switching.

People have done this. Genetics still is key.

On an empirical observation level, my friends welsh and germanic family adopted a mullato. She is well socialized and pleasant enough, but even with the best schools and a supportive environment from age 2 on, she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Raised by her ghetto heroin addict mom, she'd still be dumb, with lesser manners and instincts.

 

[User names must be unique]

Give me a break. IQ is a measure of test-taking ability, period.

IQ is a measure of the ability to make mental abstractions, they come naturally to most educated people.

The idea that 10 is to 5 what a square is to a triangle might seem obvious to educated people but to someone who is not capable of thinking abstractly wouldn't see the relationship between the two, they'd stare at you dumbly and say one set is a numbers the others are shapes there's nothing in common between the two.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Anyone who thinks that a trait as clearly qualitative and non-linear as intelligence can be neatly quantified with a single numerical value is not a very deep thinker. The reality is that just about the only certain thing we can say about the utility of IQ tests is that they measure a person's aptitude in taking IQ tests. Beyond that, hypotheses about what it is they measure are largely conjectural.

As for how this relates to race, the hereditarian argument falls apart upon basic examination. Genomic data confirms that Africa contains the most human diversity (this is true not only of genetics, but also of physical morphology), so it logically stands that Africa should have both the most and least intelligent populations on the planet (assuming here that IQ in some way correlates with intelligence).

The trouble is, this isn't what we observe. Sub-Saharan Africans consistently score lower on aggregate on IQ tests than Europeans and Asians, so what gives? The logical answer is that IQ tests don't reliably measure fluid intelligence, and that environmental factors play a much larger role than genetics.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

When people tell me how high their IQ is they're typical useless and hang their hat on scoring well on an online test as a way to validate their opinions of themselves. The IQ test is basically a way for white people to claim their brains work better than blacks to validate their race because their IQ is so low they can't even useit to validate themselves.

IQ is socially constructed, and people mistake it for a measure of the brain's capacity to function. The social construction of IQ goes back several decades, and is based on work done by a body of researchers on bodies of populations in environments that are generally white-dominant. From what I have experienced and read, most people, unless they have a cognitive anomaly that impacts how they think, will be in the same boat in terms of capacity, but their environments and how they formed will have infinite subtle influences on how their intellect forms.

tl;dr, niggers and whites are equally as dumb.

Many scientists don't even believe in IQ tests and they only matter to people who want to join MENSA because they're too stupid to realize it's a waste of money. I remember reports about a UK woman getting something like 247 on an IQ test and she's not intelligent enough to describe particle physics.

This sort of shit is just an excuse to be racist.

Should be mentioned that the average score on the IQ test is 70 to 130, regardless of skin colour.

Hell, some of the highest scores come from "non-whites".

 

[Richardo Retardo]

american blacks arent that far above 70 either, and those have a pretty large amount of white admixture

It's a lot more complicated than just Black people dumb vs White people smart.
American Blacks have an average IQ of 85, which is more than a standard deviation above retardation. A more in-depth break down of the reasoning than just "White admixture" is needed to understand the reasons behind this. If you look at the most common nations of origin for American Blacks, you see Angola (Communist weirdos of Africa) and Nigeria (The Ubermensch of Africa) with average IQs of 68 and 84 respectively. This suggests that the the Black American IQ should be around the high 70's - some very rough math gives you 76 (presuming an even 50/50 mix. which is not the case obviously). The White admixture most likely accounts for the 9 point rise.

Google has made it pretty hard to find stuff on this. Wish I had more sources saved but I hope this post gives a rough idea of what I'm trying to say.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that Africa has an incredible genetic diversity that gets overlooked when you generalize "The Black Race"

 

[Floating in Ether]

Anyone who thinks that a trait as clearly qualitative and non-linear as intelligence can be neatly quantified with a single numerical value is not a very deep thinker. The reality is that just about the only certain thing we can say about the utility of IQ tests is that they measure a person's aptitude in taking IQ tests. Beyond that, hypotheses about what it is they measure are largely conjectural.

As for how this relates to race, the hereditarian argument falls apart upon basic examination. Genomic data confirms that Africa contains the most human diversity (this is true not only of genetics, but also of physical morphology), so it logically stands that Africa should have both the most and least intelligent populations on the planet (assuming here that IQ in some way correlates with intelligence).

The trouble is, this isn't what we observe. Sub-Saharan Africans consistently score lower on aggregate on IQ tests than Europeans and Asians, so what gives? The logical answer is that IQ tests don't reliably measure fluid intelligence, and that environmental factors play a much larger role than genetics.

Utter bs. You can look at the relative accomploishments of nations reflecting average intelligences.

You have staked out an utterly untenable position. African intelligence sure had nothing to do with them not inventing the wheel, though they HAD draft animals...

 

[OB 946]

In Mozambique there was a national crisis because a famous shaman said that bald men have gold in their heads. Hundreds of bald men had their heads split open with rocks. Tell me these Africans aren't fucking dumb as shit.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Utter bs. You can look at the relative accomploishments of nations reflecting average intelligences.

You have staked out an utterly untenable position. African intelligence sure had nothing to do with them not inventing the wheel, though they HAD draft animals...

You can look at just about anything. The important thing is discerning what the information you're looking at is telling you. It is trivial to point out that intelligent people create more successful societies; nobody would seriously dispute that. The debate lies in what causes some people to become more intelligent than others to begin with. Is it mostly nature, or is it mostly nurture? I think the evidence we have points towards the latter.

If you want to make the argument that the differences in achievements between Europeans and Africans can be attributed to intelligence, and that intelligence differences can be accounted for primarily by genetics, then let me ask you, what are the genetic markers for intelligence? What, for that matter, are the genetic markers for race?

As I have mentioned already, African populations have the most genetic and phenotypic diversity of any people on the planet (it's one of the ways that the out-of-Africa theory was demonstrated). In light of this, how can you justify your hypothesis that Europe's success relative to Africa can be ascribed to genetic differences?

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Also they take data from China, the biggest fraudsters on the planet, and present it as scientific fact that gooks are smarter than their fetishized fantasy of a beautiful white race.

Give me a break. IQ is a measure of test-taking ability, period.

To be fair, you do see similar patterns from Koreans and the Japanese both within their home countries and outside, so while only fool would trust Chinese economic metrics, for example, I think it is fair to say that East Asian mean IQ is higher than White mean IQ and is the highest in the world.

 

[lowkey]

IQ is a measure of test-taking ability, period.

And somehow test-taking ability correlates almost perfectly with:

1. Lifetime income
2. Reaction speed
3. Inversely with chance to go to prison
4. Country GDP per capita for average IQ of country

In the social sciences there is no single better predictor of life outcomes than IQ.

Certain tribes (that make up the majority of some races) have been documented with markedly lower IQs than more modern civilisations. Many Western countries have higher IQs among different races. It's probably nature + nurture.

Of course it's nature + nurture, but all evidence points to nature being a much stronger predictor than nurture.

Twin studies show nature to be about 60-70% of IQ, whereas nurture seems to have about 10% effect (with the remainder unaccounted for).

https://youtu.be/41ryusHlrgw?t=1007

(I encourage you to read the related studies, but most people seem to prefer to watch these kind of vids.)

 

[Floating in Ether]

It's a lot more complicated than just Black people dumb vs White people smart.
American Blacks have an average IQ of 85, which is more than a standard deviation above exceptionalism. A more in-depth break down of the reasoning than just "White admixture" is needed to understand the reasons behind this. If you look at the most common nations of origin for American Blacks, you see Angola (Communist weirdos of Africa) and Nigeria (The Ubermensch of Africa) with average IQs of 68 and 84 respectively. This suggests that the the Black American IQ should be around the high 70's - some very rough math gives you 76 (presuming an even 50/50 mix. which is not the case obviously). The White admixture most likely accounts for the 9 point rise.

Google has made it pretty hard to find stuff on this. Wish I had more sources saved but I hope this post gives a rough idea of what I'm trying to say.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that Africa has an incredible genetic diversity that gets overlooked when you generalize "The Black Race"

You can look at just about anything. The important thing is discerning what the information you're looking at is telling you. It is trivial to point out that intelligent people create more successful societies; nobody would seriously dispute that. The debate lies in what causes some people to become more intelligent than others to begin with. Is it mostly nature, or is it mostly nurture? I think the evidence we have points towards the latter.

If you want to make the argument that the differences in achievements between Europeans and Africans can be attributed to intelligence, and that intelligence differences can be accounted for primarily by genetics, then let me ask you, what are the genetic markers for intelligence? What, for that matter, are the genetic markers for race?

As I have mentioned already, African populations have the most genetic and phenotypic diversity of any people on the planet (it's one of the ways that the out-of-Africa theory was demonstrated). In light of this, how can you justify your hypothesis that Europe's success relative to Africa can be ascribed to genetic differences?

YES. UTTERLY AND UNEQUIVICALLY.

MY BONUS POINTS? I ACTUALLY LIVED IN SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA.

Watched things REAL TIME IRL. And is this where some faggot rails against empericism like a grievance studies academic?

I got to watch train wrecks IRL, caused by people that can't, or won't even maintain the railways they were gifted by colonials.

 

[lowkey]

IQ is socially constructed, and people mistake it for a measure of the brain's capacity to function.

That's what you learn at university these days, but it's not accurate and ignores the wealth of data we have about IQ.

 

[Floating in Ether]

To be fair, you do see similar patterns from Koreans and the Japanese both within their home countries and outside, so while only fool would trust Chinese economic metrics, for example, I think it is fair to say that East Asian mean IQ is higher than White mean IQ and is the highest in the world.

I put Han Chinese on top of generically East Asians. Me going on half a century on most all of Earth. Give me Han over Indians/Pakis every time.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

There is some credence to the idea of racial intelligence but I think racists grossly overstate its effect. There's a billion other reasons contributing to the shitty state of Western ghettos and African warlord states than "lol niggos are just dumb".

Plus I always roll my eyes at race realists because it's painfully fucking obvious they conflate low racial IQs with some kind of moral failing for that entire group of people. It's the same kind of logic (if you can call it that) used by every genocidal regime in history.

 

[GS 281]

That's what you learn at university these days, but it's not accurate and ignores the wealth of data we have about IQ.

That data was derived from studies based on the social construction of IQ tho.