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Phil has like $300+ statues of Batman and dumb shit like that that he REFUSES to sell.

There was a suggestion a while ago he'd actually used some other ebay seller to list a bunch of his statues for him. Not entirely sure if they sold and good luck finding the info in this thread lol but yeah I remember this coming up and the seller in question was indeed listing a bunch that he owned like the huge Hulk, Scorpion and Joker.

He claims he couldn't sell them because overseas shipping fees were insane and no one would pay them. Honestly they are high if you're selling big heavy items but if someone does in fact wanna blow a wad of money on these things I think it's safe to say they've got disposable income, are willing to accept it and can afford the shipping costs. He also claimed the trolls would inflate the prices with false bids and refuse to pay. It's possible this happened or could happen but quite obviously the solution would be: don't make an account name related to your infamous online brand of bullshit and don't fucking advertise that you're doing it all over the place so people know it's you?

If he has sold them and it took years to come up with a plan well.. good job Phil. :stress:
 
There was a suggestion a while ago he'd actually used some other ebay seller to list a bunch of his statues for him. Not entirely sure if they sold and good luck finding the info in this thread lol but yeah I remember this coming up and the seller in question was indeed listing a bunch that he owned like the huge Hulk, Scorpion and Joker.

He claims he couldn't sell them because overseas shipping fees were insane and no one would pay them. Honestly they are high if you're selling big heavy items but if someone does in fact wanna blow a wad of money on these things I think it's safe to say they've got disposable income, are willing to accept it and can afford the shipping costs. He also claimed the trolls would inflate the prices with false bids and refuse to pay. It's possible this happened or could happen but quite obviously the solution would be: don't make an account name related to your infamous online brand of bullshit and don't fucking advertise that you're doing it all over the place so people know it's you?

If he has sold them and it took years to come up with a plan well.. good job Phil. :stress:

It’s just yet another example of Phil wanting to get more for doing less. He’s in such a bad financial state that he, “cried,” on his stream, but won’t get a job, sell his house, sell the CT khando, sell his terrible statues, sell one of his dust-collecting consoles, start selling ad space, rework Patreon, rework subscriber perks on twitch, etc etc etc.

He wants everything without sacrificing anything.
 
Wait what, he cried on his stream? Which one? How recent, just a date and whether it was a first or second would be fine.
 
Wait what, he cried on his stream? Which one? How recent, just a date and whether it was a first or second would be fine.

During the Thanksgiving Beg-a-Thon 2018. He didn't actually cry, but he got close a few times.
 
should i feel sorry for phils fans? theyre clearly being manipulated cause theyre too stupid. but in the end theyre still his fans. some even know this but still support while he cries woe
 
should i feel sorry for phils fans? theyre clearly being manipulated cause theyre too stupid. but in the end theyre still his fans. some even know this but still support while he cries woe
A child has to hurt itself to understand the consequences of its mistakes and to learn from it. That's the path of the ones who won't learn from words alone.

As long as they are not mentally ill in a way which prevents any realization, they should make their autistic mistakes. They will leave, sooner or later.

I don't feel sorry for them if they come out as better people in the end.
 
During his Newest Beg-a-thon teaser he regales the chat with how he went out to eat both lunch and dinner with Khet on his day off. Today, he tells the chat they ate dinner out and how it was so enjoyable not having to wait to be seated due to it being a Wednesday. Needs that additional $16K on top of his usual haul though to #SaveThaHouse.
 
Figured I would share what Phil's Patreon does at the beginning of the month:

Values are date, time, # of patrons, public number, change in # of patrons, and the actual total (public number + any increases). I think the "actual total" number is not being calculated correctly, but no matter at this point.
2018-12-01 00:11:14 138 581.49 0 581.49
2018-12-01 02:59:39 138 589.95 0 589.95
2018-12-01 11:43:02 138 549.5 0 549.5
2018-12-01 11:51:09 138 576.44 0 576.44
2018-12-01 11:52:10 138 566.81 0 566.81
2018-12-01 12:02:25 138 567.0 0 567.0
2018-12-01 12:31:49 138 560.58 0 560.58
2018-12-01 13:00:12 138 565.49 0 565.49
2018-12-01 13:01:13 138 560.58 0 560.58
2018-12-01 13:14:24 138 561.17 0 561.17
2018-12-01 13:16:26 138 562.02 0 562.02
2018-12-01 13:26:34 138 561.37 0 561.37
2018-12-01 13:34:41 138 562.09 0 562.09
2018-12-01 13:41:47 138 563.86 0 563.86
2018-12-01 13:47:52 138 563.99 0 563.99
2018-12-01 14:17:16 138 574.87 0 574.87
2018-12-01 14:19:18 138 573.95 0 573.95
2018-12-01 14:22:21 138 571.72 0 571.72
2018-12-01 14:26:24 138 573.56 0 573.56
2018-12-01 14:28:26 138 573.82 0 573.82
2018-12-01 14:31:28 138 573.03 0 573.03
2018-12-01 14:36:32 138 572.25 0 572.25
2018-12-01 14:43:38 138 574.15 0 574.15
2018-12-01 14:46:41 138 574.34 0 574.34
2018-12-01 14:58:50 138 576.25 0 576.25
2018-12-01 15:05:56 137 575.37 -1 575.37
2018-12-01 15:11:01 137 573.73 0 573.73
2018-12-01 15:14:05 137 574.84 0 574.84
2018-12-01 15:21:11 137 576.28 0 576.28
2018-12-01 15:24:13 136 574.88 -1 574.88
2018-12-01 15:31:19 136 574.55 0 574.55
2018-12-01 15:36:25 136 576.51 0 576.51
2018-12-01 15:38:27 135 558.87 -1 558.87
2018-12-01 15:47:38 135 559.12 0 559.12
2018-12-01 15:50:41 135 557.92 0 557.92
2018-12-01 16:00:52 135 558.81 0 558.81
2018-12-01 16:03:55 135 557.67 0 557.67
2018-12-01 16:10:00 135 557.92 0 557.92
2018-12-01 16:13:03 134 557.04 -1 557.04
2018-12-01 16:17:08 134 558.94 0 558.94
2018-12-01 16:19:10 134 558.81 0 558.81
2018-12-01 16:20:11 134 557.86 0 557.86
2018-12-01 16:24:15 134 556.97 0 556.97
2018-12-01 16:27:18 133 548.17 -1 548.17
2018-12-01 16:29:20 133 547.92 0 547.92
2018-12-01 16:33:24 133 550.66 0 550.66
2018-12-01 16:44:33 133 550.47 0 550.47
2018-12-01 16:49:38 133 550.78 0 550.78
2018-12-01 16:54:42 133 550.6 0 550.6
2018-12-01 16:56:44 133 551.16 0 551.16
2018-12-01 17:02:55 133 551.28 0 551.28
2018-12-01 17:12:03 133 550.53 0 550.53
2018-12-01 17:22:18 133 550.41 0 550.41
2018-12-01 17:23:19 133 550.66 0 550.66
2018-12-01 17:26:22 133 552.9 0 552.9
2018-12-01 17:31:31 133 552.28 0 552.28
2018-12-01 17:34:34 133 553.71 0 553.71
2018-12-01 17:47:53 133 553.15 0 553.15
2018-12-01 17:56:00 133 555.39 0 555.39
2018-12-01 18:00:03 132 554.5 -1 554.5
2018-12-01 18:08:13 132 555.12 0 555.12
2018-12-01 18:17:21 132 554.87 0 554.87
2018-12-01 18:23:26 132 554.37 0 554.37
2018-12-01 18:25:28 132 555.06 0 555.06
2018-12-01 18:29:32 132 554.75 0 554.75
2018-12-01 18:30:32 132 555.62 0 555.62
2018-12-01 18:35:38 132 555.93 0 555.93
2018-12-01 18:47:50 132 555.55 0 555.55
2018-12-01 18:49:52 132 555.49 0 555.49
2018-12-01 18:51:54 132 555.37 0 555.37
2018-12-01 18:55:57 132 555.62 0 555.62
2018-12-01 18:56:58 132 555.18 0 555.18
2018-12-01 19:14:13 132 554.75 0 554.75
2018-12-01 19:16:15 132 554.62 0 554.62
2018-12-01 19:20:18 131 553.73 -1 553.73
2018-12-01 19:21:19 131 553.61 0 553.61
2018-12-01 19:30:27 131 553.23 0 553.23
2018-12-01 19:37:34 131 552.86 0 552.86
2018-12-01 19:38:35 131 552.74 0 552.74
2018-12-01 19:47:42 131 552.36 0 552.36
2018-12-01 19:51:45 131 552.18 0 552.18
2018-12-01 19:58:51 131 551.93 0 551.93
2018-12-01 20:10:01 131 551.87 0 551.87
2018-12-01 20:12:03 131 551.5 0 551.5
2018-12-01 20:19:08 131 551.19 0 551.19
2018-12-01 20:26:14 131 551.37 0 551.37
2018-12-01 20:33:21 131 551.5 0 551.5
2018-12-01 20:38:25 131 551.12 0 551.12
2018-12-01 20:39:26 131 551.19 0 551.19
2018-12-01 20:40:27 131 550.87 0 550.87

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Edit: Because it's relevant, this is (not surprisingly) a lie from Phil, unless Patreon has yet again changed what they do--I don't think they have, and I'll briefly say why. In short, Patreon made a change a while ago so that people could have a better idea of how much a person they supported would be getting after fees. To do that, they basically assume a total of ~10% in fees and do the appropriate math.

So if someone has Patron support of $1250, the public number would be 1250 * 0.9 = $1125. If that number sounds familiar, it's because that's what DSP used to pull on Patreon. ANYWAY.

The reason I think Phil is full of shit and Patreon still does this is based on the changes I track. Here's an example:

Lost -1 patron(s). Money change is: -17.64

Now, how likely is it that someone actually had a $17.64 pledge? Not very. But how likely is it that someone had a 17.64 / 0.9 = $19.60 (~$20) pledge? Quite likely. I'm going to start seeing if I can track which tier of Patron gets added and disappears to confirm this.

TL;DR: Everything Phil just said in that @drgnkiller tweet is bullshit. (Shoutout My Cousin Vinny)
 
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Several people have said that based on the amounts DSP seems to be paying monthly on his Wakahndo mortgage he is likely on a 30 year payment plan. If I understand correctly this means all he's paid off so far on his home loan is going towards the interest on that loan, so the only possible equity he has in the Wakahndo is the difference between the amount his home loan is for and the current market value of his house.

https://www.eppraisal.com/articles/mortgage/why-house-values-matter-in-a-home-refinance/

So say his original loan was $250K and the current market value of his house is $350K, that would mean he has $100K equity in his house. To do a cash-out refinance on this requires a 20% equity be left, so to refinance he would have to leave $70K in and only would be able to pull $30K out. This would also reset his interest payments and he would basically be flushing whatever interest he has currently paid off over 4 to 5 years down the drain to get $30K right now. He would then be stuck with a $350K home loan that he's essentially starting fresh on, and would have higher monthly payments than his current home loan.

Or

He could open a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) on that same $30K in available equity and would be paying around a 6% interest rate on whatever money he pulls from that line of credit, to pay off his higher interest rate credit card debt, after 10 years at this interest rate if he hasn't paid off what he borrows from the HELOC he would then have to start making monthly payments towards paying off the total amount borrowed from the HELOC. This seems to me to just be shuffling his debt around for somewhat lower interest payments, with still no plan towards actual repayment of that debt.

In either case, as far as I understand it, if his income which is almost entirely based off Twitch donations starts to dip enough that he's missing payments he will lose his house. If he doesn't do a refinance then he would be looking at lower monthly payments on his home loan that he has to make to not lose his house. The thing I find truly baffling is that DSP seems to expect his Twitch viewers to keep handing him like $70K a year forever. He's entirely dependent on people giving him free money, and any time that free money decreases at all it's not his fault for taking out bank loans against future charitable donations he believes he's entitled to, it's "excuse" (Trolls, the Universe, Tut, Google, YouTube, etc.) conspiring to fuck him over.

Things like these, where I see him his mental processes leading him to make detrimental decisions where he seems unable to swallow his pride or even consider any other option or possible future cause me to heavily lean towards thinking that he likely has a diagnosable personality disorder, and not just a behavior pattern reminiscent of the dictionary definition of the word 'narcissist".
 
Several people have said that based on the amounts DSP seems to be paying monthly on his Wakahndo mortgage he is likely on a 30 year payment plan. If I understand correctly this means all he's paid off so far on his home loan is going towards the interest on that loan, so the only possible equity he has in the Wakahndo is the difference between the amount his home loan is for and the current market value of his house.

https://www.eppraisal.com/articles/mortgage/why-house-values-matter-in-a-home-refinance/

So say his original loan was $250K and the current market value of his house is $350K, that would mean he has $100K equity in his house. To do a cash-out refinance on this requires a 20% equity be left, so to refinance he would have to leave $70K in and only would be able to pull $30K out. This would also reset his interest payments and he would basically be flushing whatever interest he has currently paid off over 4 to 5 years down the drain to get $30K right now. He would then be stuck with a $350K home loan that he's essentially starting fresh on, and would have higher monthly payments than his current home loan.

Or

He could open a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) on that same $30K in available equity and would be paying around a 6% interest rate on whatever money he pulls from that line of credit, to pay off his higher interest rate credit card debt, after 10 years at this interest rate if he hasn't paid off what he borrows from the HELOC he would then have to start making monthly payments towards paying off the total amount borrowed from the HELOC. This seems to me to just be shuffling his debt around for somewhat lower interest payments, with still no plan towards actual repayment of that debt.

In either case, as far as I understand it, if his income which is almost entirely based off Twitch donations starts to dip enough that he's missing payments he will lose his house. If he doesn't do a refinance then he would be looking at lower monthly payments on his home loan that he has to make to not lose his house. The thing I find truly baffling is that DSP seems to expect his Twitch viewers to keep handing him like $70K a year forever. He's entirely dependent on people giving him free money, and any time that free money decreases at all it's not his fault for taking out bank loans against future charitable donations he believes he's entitled to, it's "excuse" (Trolls, the Universe, Tut, Google, YouTube, etc.) conspiring to fuck him over.

Things like these, where I see him his mental processes leading him to make detrimental decisions where he seems unable to swallow his pride or even consider any other option or possible future cause me to heavily lean towards thinking that he likely has a diagnosable personality disorder, and not just a behavior pattern reminiscent of the dictionary definition of the word 'narcissist".

This is some great info. I think your numbers are the worst case scenario for DSP. This is speculation and being optimistic on my part but I want to believe he owes less than 250k on the WA condo. He bought for 264k and I hope he put at least 10% down since he was making so much money in the years leading up to 2014.

The appraisal could be more than 350k, another condo that looks very close to his sold for 385k in August. It does look a little nicer, appears that they painted and updated the carpet, other than that not much different.

https://www.redfin.com/WA/Renton/17547-110-Ln-SE-98055/home/145806077

DSP said during the Thanksgiving stream that if the appraisal came in on the low end he would not even be able to get enough money to pay off all his credit card debt. He also said the refinance could save him close to 2000 per month. Based on your info I think it is safe to assume he has at least 30k of credit card debt. If the appraisal came in at 380k , and we use the 250k loan balance remaining he could pull 54k out. I made a post a few weeks ago where I speculated on how much CC debt he had and came up with a range of between 25k and 50k, based on your scenario and DSP's statement I think it is more evidence that it is closer to high end of that range, could even be more.

If he is able to refinance I think he will eventually lose the house, rolling unsecured debt into his house, run up the cards again and be in a worse position than he is now.
 
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in 2013 the WahKhando is valued at $128k. 2014 it jumps to an Appraised value of $236k. D$P buys it May 2014 for $265k. What happened to drop the value of the WahKhando during 2010-2013? It drops from $243k to $213k in 2011, plummets to $132k in 2012, $128k in 2013 and then skyrockets up to $236 the year D$P buys it.
 
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in 2013 the WahKhando is valued at $128k. 2014 it jumps to an Appraised value of $236k. D$P buys it May 2014 for $265k. What happened to drop the value of the WahKhando during 2010-2013? It drops from $243k to $213k in 2011, plummets to $132k in 2012, $128k in 2013 and then skyrockets up to $236 the year D$P buys it.
Most important take away is that his condo is worth almost $100,000 more than what he bought it for now.
 
Most important take away is that his condo is worth almost $100,000 more than what he bought it for now.

Well I see things haven’t changed much in the months I’ve been gone.

So while the value of the Washington condo might have gone up, that’s just a general estimation of value increase based on the housing market in that area. Upon a proper inspection of the property and dwelling, a real appraiser and adjuster would not value it that high. Remember that he has not done any updates or upgrades to the home, and most likely has mold in his bedroom (remember he had a bad leak from his roof but refused to cut the wall to check for internal damage and mold).

Refinancing would literally ruin him because that means he gets a new interest rate which in the housing market, has nearly doubled in the last 2 years.

Neger being super optimistic about DSPs downfall, is new. I guess some things did change.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I recall during the Subaru man saga, before he was ran off, he mentioned dsp telling kat about some "side business" or something to that effect. I've always wondered what that might mean, but knowing Dark it might just be an elaborate way of describing his tee spring account.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I recall during the Subaru man saga, before he was ran off, he mentioned dsp telling kat about some "side business" or something to that effect. I've always wondered what that might mean, but knowing Dark it might just be an elaborate way of describing his tee spring account.

My guess is Kat made it up to wound her ex before she dumped him, similar to the "His dick's way bigger than yours". "He's a full-time video game player" doesn't quite pack the same punch. The vague "Business" puts it in the Ex's mind that this new guy's wallet may be bigger than his own (and possibly reveals Kat's motives).
 
What was his reasoning for moving to Washington anyway? He thought there was some tax loophole?

He bought a house he could barely afford and paid too much for it. Now the value keeps going up so his property tax goes up. Meanwhile his income goes down. Then he finds out he didn't pay business/income tax so he's got more debt. All while still keeping an empty condo in Connecticut because "I can't sell it I'd lose money!!!!" (Can someone calculate what he'd have lost if he sold the CT place when he moved vs the upkeep on it for the past 5 years while it sat empty?)
 
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What was his reasoning for moving to Washington anyway? He thought there was some tax loophole?

He bought a house he could barely afford and paid too much for it. Now the value keeps going up so his property tax goes up. Meanwhile his income goes down. Then he finds out he didn't pay business/income tax so he's got more debt. All while still keeping an empty condo in Connecticut because "I can't sell it I'd lose money!!!!" (Can someone calculate what he'd have lost if he sold the CT place when he moved vs the upkeep on it for the past 5 years while it sat empty?)
I believe it was because Washington had no state tax or something. Whoops
 
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