Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Spooky]

Fun fact about Tommy's journalism: Rebel Media, a conservative media outlet based in Canuckistan can no longer get interviews with Leafconservative politicians due to at least one of their reporters getting way too cozy with Mike Enoch and friends.

Hahaha I don't necessarily doubt this happened at some point, but this is funny. Rebel media is about as Israel first, zioshill controlled op as it gets complete with Ezra Lavant completely embodying every Jewish stereotype perfectly. IIRC even TR has gone to Israel numerous times to kiss the ring, something every "journalist" for Rebel does regularly in a group.

Rebel just hates Muslims because their stereotypical subversive Jewish Israel first owner hates Muslims. I guess that along with being a failed, softer breitbart with the quality yet none of the charm of The Gateway Pundit makes them extreme right wing lol.

 

[instythot]

Hahaha I don't necessarily doubt this happened at some point, but this is funny. Rebel media is about as Israel first, zioshill controlled op as it gets complete with Ezra Lavant completely embodying every Jewish stereotype perfectly. IIRC even TR has gone to Israel numerous times to kiss the ring, something every "journalist" for Rebel does regularly in a group.

Rebel just hates Muslims because their stereotypical subversive Jewish Israel first owner hates Muslims. I guess that makes them extreme right wing lol.

Even better was when he sent Gavin McInnes to the holy land who proceeded to get completely drunk and stream about how he hates (((them))) for some incomprehensible alcohol fueled reason

 

[Miller]

And Carl is totally going to go down with this ship even though he claims to not even want to be in politics in the first place

I don't think he will go down with the UKIP ship, he will leave them a few weeks before. You will notice when he will stop talking about anything related to UKIP. This reminds me of his Socjus Democrats gig where he went silent once the far-left and Cenk took over. He was all "I'm going to talk to Cenk, we don't agree on everything but blablabla, we can save the Left" and then nothing. I don't understand why he tried to insert himself into US politics.
Batten has destroyed every chance of getting their party relevant again. I think I've heard MauritianStruggle say that he wanted to leave UKIP because of what Batten and Carl have done.

Rebel Media, a conservative media outlet based in Canuckistan can no longer get interviews with Leafconservative politicians due to at least one of their reporters getting way too cozy with Mike Enoch and friends.

Don't forget Ezra Levant's schtick of making countless GoFundMe before he sends his "journalists" to create some happenings.

 

[instythot]

I don't think he will go down with the UKIP ship, he will leave them a few weeks before. You will notice when he will stop talking about anything related to UKIP. This reminds me of his Socjus Democrats gig where he went silent once the far-left and Cenk took over. I remember when he was all "I'm going to talk to Cenk, we don't agree on everything but blablabla, we can save the Left". I don't understand why he tried to insert himself into US politics.
Batten has destroyed every chance of getting their party relevant again. I think I've heard MauritianStruggle say that he wanted to leave UKIP because of what Batten and Carl have done.


Don't forget Ezra Levant's schtick of making countless GoFundMe before he sends his "journalists" to create some happenings.

The last I heard from Mauritian was that he disagrees with Carl and Tommy being associated in any way with UKIP, yet he places his faith in the leader. But... I only listen to him when he's complaining about Carl, so he could have changed his position since then. And I don't blame him.

Hahahaha... Carl thinks Cenk would talk to him after having been polite to AiU. That's a spicy delusion!

 

[verissimus]

@Miller Actually Mauritian was a lot more lukewarm to Tommy than the way you put it, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't think it would be a good idea for Tommy to be a part of UKIP.

I also think, we're still getting ahead of ourselves about Tommy even being associated with UKIP right now since he still isn't even an official party member right? I still maintain Batten only brought him in because he thought he could push Nigel out and perhaps afterwards finally be more able to steer the party in another direction other than just BREXIT. That's my theory anyway.

 

[instythot]

@Miller Actually Mauritian was a lot more lukewarm to Tommy than the way you put it, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't think it would be a good idea for Tommy to be a part of UKIP.

I also think, we're still getting ahead of ourselves about Tommy even being associated with UKIP right now since he still isn't even an official party member right? I still maintain Batten only brought him in because he thought he could push Nigel out and perhaps afterwards finally be more able to steer the party in another direction other than just BREXIT. That's my theory anyway.

Sure maybe... but that's a lot of stink to wash off just to push out a guy who stepped down

Looks like he's conflicted about Daddy Niggy and can find a kind word for him here and there still.

Best comment:

"Why can't you just come out and say you are a conservative? I'm not saying far right, just a conservative."

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

Sure maybe... but that's a lot of stink to wash off just to push out a guy who stepped down

Looks like he's conflicted about Daddy Niggy and can find a kind word for him here and there still.

Best comment:

"Why can't you just come out and say you are a conservative? I'm not saying far right, just a conservative."

Its a hit piece.
Apparently there's been a love-hate relationship between Farage and Batten for 25 years, and after Farage resigns it happens to come out that Farage has really just had this big ego. Him resigning and calling out Batten is just an ego trip, and he is totally jealous of Tommy because he'll take on more attention than Farage would otherwise have.
This is bullshit, Farage has been making an effort to distance himself from UKIP in general so having Tommy in the party wouldn't really affect what attention he would receive. And considering the letter from yesterday I'm inclined to believe that this gossip about Farage's ego comes from the resentment in the party towards him abandoning them.
Also funnily enough, Sargon actually affirms what Farage was talking about UKIP becoming obsessed with Islam. He claims Batten has a personal grievance and ideological issue with it, and towards the end of the video says that UKIP should be a party that focuses on multiple issues including Islam (and Islam in that section clearly had more emphasis than the other things mentioned).
Sargon has also expressed a deep contempt and frustration towards how the UK has handled the no go zones and sharia courts, so its not much of a stretch to say he's being defensive because his own personal motives.
I might make another post about this video going into depth on it, but I think it vindicates Farage more than Sargon probably intended.

 

[Miller]

Sure maybe... but that's a lot of stink to wash off just to push out a guy who stepped down

Looks like he's conflicted about Daddy Niggy and can find a kind word for him here and there still.

He saw in Farrage the IRL politics equivalent of Jim. Another hero has become his new enemy.
I love how he is pussyfooting about islam "I'm not pro-islam but I'm not anti-islam or any other religion. I'm an atheist *tips fedora*". He is (partially?) responsible for the new direction of the party. Carl knows he's fucked, he pushed the idea that islam was going to destroy his country, this was Carl's main schtick for rebranding the Liberalist™ with also "I don't want the government to force my son to become a tranny" (I can't wait for Batten to start talking about that).
He is implying that Farrage is shying away from the islam question, it might seem like that at first glance but I think Farrage knows that it's impossible to have that kind of debate, especially when you have a bunch of edgy youtubers and a former leader of a violent far-right group.

Spoiler

we can LARP and say "1488" and "nigger" on imageboards all-day-long but let's be honest, Robinson is far from being an altar boy

Someone was saying a few pages before that Farrage fought for years to get rid of the idea that "UKIP = racists" and these recent changes seem to go against his beliefs. The concept of guilt by association is a big thing in politics, I'm sure Carl can ramble for hours on Youtube on how it's "gay" or "NPC talk" but it's a fact and maybe Nigel doesn't want to waste his time on more controversies.
His video really look like a hit-piece, maybe a request from Batten?

 

[Spooky]

He claims Batten has a personal grievance and ideological issue with it, and towards the end of the video says that UKIP should be a party that focuses on multiple issues including Islam (and Islam in that section clearly had more emphasis than the other things mentioned).

As ridiculous as Carl is, I'm not gonna hate on a dead political party for standing up and saying things that very obviously needed to be said a long time ago about what is happening to its country.

I've said it before, but there really is nowhere to go but up for UKIP right now. I still don't see courting nationalists and being first to the issue as an objectively bad move when the alternative is the party's virtual death. Even if Batten's goal is just to remain employed at his current station, this makes sense to me

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

As ridiculous as Carl is, I'm not gonna hate on a dead political party for standing up and saying things that very obviously needed to be said a long time ago about what is happening to its country.

I've said it before, but there really is nowhere to go but up for UKIP right now. I still don't see courting nationalists and being first to the issue as an objectively bad move when the alternative is the party's virtual death. Even if Batten's goal is just to remain employed at his current station, this makes sense to me

If they can somehow properly transition to a multi-issue party then they could be fine but this is not the way to do it. Bringing in Tommy is very bad optics and is going to screw up the potential growth of the party.
Just look at it this way, what is there to gain from bringing him in? And then contrast that with what you could lose.

 

[instythot]

If they can somehow properly transition to a multi-issue party then they could be fine but this is not the way to do it. Bringing in Tommy is very bad optics and is going to screw up the potential growth of the party.
Just look at it this way, what is there to gain from bringing him in? And then contrast that with what you could lose.

This may sound a little tinfoil, but I think there's a real enough chance of being labelled an organized hate group with Tommy onboard

Look at his history, who follows him around and the obvious hard on the establishment has to shut him up. All it will take is one of Tommy's football hooligan buddies start throwing punches at UKIP events or in UKIP's name, and Batten's going to be in a world of trouble no political party wants on their hands. And now that UKIP has put "the Muslim problem" down as one of their official platform planks, it's a really quick trip down guilt by association road to tie unrelated racial violence to the party

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

Batten in his interview with Carl said that Farrage hired someone that was a former member of the National Front as an assistant. I've done a little bit of digging and can't find anything about this however. It might've never been publicized but I find it suspect that this wouldn't get media coverage at least in one article.

 

[instythot]

Batten in his interview with Carl said that Farrage hired someone that was a former member of the National Front as an assistant. I've done a little bit of digging and can't find anything about this however. It might've never been publicized but I find it suspect that this wouldn't get media coverage at least in one article.
I have a feeling that Batten lied.

This might be what Batten is talking about:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/26/ukip-martyn-heale-former-national-front

Oh god, I'm trying to get to where Batten talks about this in his Carl interview. On the results of the no confidence vote, Carl says "Would it be fair to describe the results as a landslide?"

Jesus christ Carl, let it go. Christi made you look like a fool

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

This might be what Batten is talking about:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/26/ukip-martyn-heale-former-national-front

Oh god, I'm trying to get to where Batten talks about this in his Carl interview. On the results of the no confidence vote, Carl says "Would it be fair to describe the results as a landslide?"

Jesus christ Carl, let it go. Christi made you look like a fool

Batten said it was an assistant, and that Farage had hired him. The article talks about a chairman for UKIP and Farage is just tacked on.
However this article about the same guy might better substantiate the point.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/ex-ukip-stalwart-blocked-from-joining-tories-189528/
It calls him Farage's agent for the 2015 general election, that he helped Farage run for MP for South Thanet, and that he was a key figure for that area.
Again nothing here calls him an assistant or that Farage hired him, at least not explicitly.
It might be a case of Batten playing a little loose with the truth or I'm missing something.

 

[instythot]

Batten said it was an assistant, and that Farage had hired him. The article talks about a chairman for UKIP and Farage is just tacked on.
However this article about the same guy might better substantiate the point.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/ex-ukip-stalwart-blocked-from-joining-tories-189528/
It calls him Farage's agent for the 2015 general election, that he helped Farage run for MP for South Thanet, and that he was a key figure for that area.
Again nothing here calls him an assistant or that Farage hired him, at least not explicitly.
It might be a case of Batten playing a little loose with the truth or I'm missing something.

Or just not knowing the exact details but plowing ahead with "yeah, well so did he!" anyway. Anyway, Carl is a terrible interviewer. "Can I agree with you some more Mr. Gerard sir?"

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

Or just not knowing the exact details but plowing ahead with "yeah, well so did he!" anyway. Anyway, Carl is a terrible interviewer. "Can I agree with you some more Mr. Gerard sir?"

I think thats a better way to put it.
That whole interview is a fluff piece, kind of funny that Carl is playing him up while Batten is more nonchalant about everything.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

We've all forgotten about the Pakis and the yardies. Corner shops that open on xmas and convenient drug dealers. Muslims need to up their kebab game for sure.

Even the best kebab places are run by Poles now.

Best comment:

"Why can't you just come out and say you are a conservative? I'm not saying far right, just a conservative."

'Closeted' is a surgical way of describing Carl, he can't be honest with his own weathervane ideology which seemingly doesn't even represent his real opinions (not that revealing those would do anything other than expose his ignorance in other ways).

 

[GranDuke]

Do people really have problems with saying that they are conservative? Or is the problem that you can't say "well, just look at those damn Muslims running around our country" without heavy push-back?

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

Do people really have problems with saying that they are conservative? Or is the problem that you can't say "well, just look at those damn Muslims running around our country" without heavy push-back?

A lot of younger people feel that conservative doesn't allow their individualism to show - they speak very loudly on issues that make them seem unique and free-thinking, but fall back on frameworks that place them very easily within an identity that they claim not to be a part of. They want the coolness of following politics that are against the grain of modern culture, but don't want to seem like they're dressing in grandad's clothes. Carl's enjoyment of throwing out contrarian details (something Milo survived on for only a while) to an otherwise very predictable ideology is just a smokescreen, and his need to do this erodes his character and calls into question his decision-making.

 

[instythot]

Haha!

According to the extremely tight lipped Vee, Carl was among the people pushing to bring Tommy in