EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Oh come on...America was dragged into Vietnam because of France?

America needs a Kenny Chesney album as justification to invade another country.

You may as well blame England for the Invasion of Grenada.
It could be argued that French bungling of managing Indochina is what opened up the gates communists and drew the containment strategy.
 
Tiananmen Square was such a great look for China they made it illegal for their citizens to talk about it! What a great move that totally won't rile up everyone who wasn't already in the streets!

Seriously though, if they bring in A.P.C.s and tanks, actually using any of them is going to just give the protesters even more of a reason to drag Macron's ass out into the streets and beat their taxes' worth out of him.
the French army will not use lethal force against french people, a coup is more likely than that.
 
Tiananmen Square was such a great look for China they made it illegal for their citizens to talk about it! What a great move that totally won't rile up everyone who wasn't already in the streets!

Seriously though, if they bring in A.P.C.s and tanks, actually using any of them is going to just give the protesters even more of a reason to drag Macron's ass out into the streets and beat their taxes' worth out of him.

Afaik, they only send the army to protect certain historical monuments, after all, the Arc de Triomphe was damaged last week. The army is supposed to cordon off the Champs Elysee and I doubt they are using anything other than trucks to drive around the soldiers.

If it was bad enough that they roll out APCs and tanks in Paris, this would be a way bigger headline cause that would be the point where protests become a civil war.
 
Afaik, they only send the army to protect certain historical monuments, after all, the Arc de Triomphe was damaged last week. The army is supposed to cordon off the Champs Elysee and I doubt they are using anything other than trucks to drive around the soldiers.

If it was bad enough that they roll out APCs and tanks in Paris, this would be a way bigger headline cause that would be the point where protests become a civil war.

Yup, Eiffel Tower, Trocodero, the Louvre and Orsay, the opera house, Champs Elysee and various government buildings (amongst others).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46476037

Armoured vehicles are being used so fun times could be ahead!
 
Those are the armored vehicles we'll most likely see tomorrow :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliet_VXB-170
This would be the second time they're used on metropolitan soil since they've been commissioned in 1974, first time was... also in 2018 (yeah it's been a busy year) on the NDDL protests / ZAD, one was almost completely destroyed trying to push through a barricade in flames.

You can put a machine gun and a grenade launcher on top but it's unlikely they will, they'll probably put a blade in the front to use them against barricades but that's it.

In other news from what I've heard on TV, they won't disclose too much details but I think we're gonna see more mobile, aggressive police units
Also, 700 high school kids were arrested yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QyM4sqeDfk
What time will the fun start in Paris tomorrow? Early morning I'd assume?
It started around 8 AM Paris time last week, so probably the same tomorrow
 
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Videos showing rows of French high school students on their knees, with hands on heads, some lined up against a wall with helmeted police officers armed with batons standing over them, have stirred waves of criticism online.
The footage captures the moment officers detained education reform protesters in Mantes-la-Jolie in north-central France on Thursday. The majority of them were teens from local high schools.

Following Thursday’s clashes, a total of 153 people, mostly students, were arrested in Mantes-la-Jolie, according to officials. The situation was tense near many other high schools across the whole country, with protesters throwing Molotov cocktails and glass bottles at officers. Police resorted to tear gas to disperse rioting teens.

As of Friday morning, some 700 high schools across the country were swept by protests and 400 of them were closed, the National Students’ Union said.
 
It could be argued that French bungling of managing Indochina is what opened up the gates communists and drew the containment strategy.

Soviet Union and US were going to fight proxy wars no matter who was involved. Just try to follow some of the Bush Wars over which site was supported by US, Soviet Russia, and China. Add in England, Portugal, Rhodesia, and South Africa...it was confusing shitshow.

It would be nice I think to sit back and say "wow look how fucking crazy stupid our leaders were during the Cold War" except I still have no go answer why I was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan because of 9-11.
 
when France had their election last year with Macron and Le Pen (don't know why, but I love saying her name)
Dem celebs, leftist jornos, SJW were supporting Macron. and bashed Le Pen, cause the far left love waman.

So, now I'm wondering how they feel about this problem and that Macron's approval ratting is falling and it seems some of the French are warming up to Trump.
 
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