EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Soviet Union and US were going to fight proxy wars no matter who was involved. Just try to follow some of the Bush Wars over which site was supported by US, Soviet Russia, and China. Add in England, Portugal, Rhodesia, and South Africa...it was confusing shitshow.

It would be nice I think to sit back and say "wow look how fucking crazy stupid our leaders were during the Cold War" except I still have no go answer why I was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan because of 9-11.
You invaded Iraq because Dubya wanted to kill Saddam for trying to assassinate his dad.
 
You invaded Iraq because Dubya wanted to kill Saddam for trying to assassinate his dad.

I always just assumed this was because of...

1) A significant percentage of Americans believe Cheney's bullshit like "they will greet us as liberators"

2) people making the decision grossly simplified the country of Iraq (they are all the same right?)

3) A bunch of backers for the Bush whitehouse thought it would be easy, quick money.

4) Someone had to die for 9-11 and bombing the shit out of illiterate goat farmers in Afghanistan didn't have the satisfaction that was required.
 
More like he was made that his daddy was literally being walked on.
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This is a common practice from the old world. When I first come the to the US as a teenager, the church I went to had many symbols in the brickwork that one had to walk on. There were traditional good luck symbols (like the swastika) but there were also the Star of David and traditional Muslim symbols. The idea being that true believers could not invade the church to sack it. This goes back to the middle ages.

More modern, in Russian prison tattoos, it is common to get Stalin and Lenin tattooed over your important organs. The thought was that you could not be shot and executed through those tattoos. So you had to get a head shot, which mean less potential suffering.

In Islamic culture, the bottom of the foot is very, VERY unclean. Showing the bottom of the foot or walking over a symbol is considered to be a major insult. I used to work as a contractor and I had to many times explain to my American coworkers and US military members not to sit in a chair and cross their legs because they would show the bottom of their foot. It is akin to reaching for food with your left hand in Indian and African cultures.
 
The cynic in me just has to say this: leftists of the world love Macron for being a leftist guy. This is their kind of candidate.
And look what he's doing in the face of protest. He's no worker's type at all and from how he's now bringing the hammer down with the army and Gendarmerie, he's nothing but the very thing leftists should hate: a totalitarian asshole.
But with how quiet things are online, it strikes me odd. He's clearly going after the working class; the poor and downtrodden with the gas tax and now cracking down on the protests. Why the silence? Do leftists around the world not actually care about workers and the poor? Only their virtue and "goodness" in this world?

Reason I say all this is that it reflects very poorly on the political left as they entire situation deteriorates in France. They have a markable socialist man in the helm and things have not gone all roses and rainbows as leftists promise everyone. The fact no one is really condoning Macron for trying to stifle to voice of the people and now preparing to crack down harder on their protests speaks volumes. This is the kind of government feel-good leftists want. They just don't want to admit it.

The silence is deafening and very damning as I say.
 
It is bemusing to watch them try to make everything Orange Man does a precursor to mob violence (which never seems to happen) and that tear gas is the same as zyklon b.

While remaining silent on a guy who is telling violent mobs in the streets calling for his ouster to shut the fuck up or he'll tear gas them some more.
 
But with how quiet things are online, it strikes me odd. He's clearly going after the working class; the poor and downtrodden with the gas tax and now cracking down on the protests. Why the silence? Do leftists around the world not actually care about workers and the poor? Only their virtue and "goodness" in this world?
The major multinational corporations and rich citizens of various countries collectively donned the cloak of progressive politics to make either others or themselves respectively feel better about their horrible actions. Sure, Apple runs sweatshops in China, but they're so #woke, I have to get the new iPhone! These people use progressive buzzwords to justify keeping their comfy bourgeois lifestyles, all the while making life worse for the people who these ideas were initially invented by and for. However, they made a mistake when they started buying into their own lies a bit too much. Post-2016, I've seen more unironic hatred of the lower class, blue collar workers, people who don't live in cities, etc. than I've ever seen before, and the amount and intensity of it has only increased as time has gone on. For as much as the publications these faux-progressives love so much keep crowing about a coming class war, they don't seem to understand that they would be playing the parts of the wealthy who meet their end in front of a firing squad.
 
Actually, some people in France have started to blame Russian bots for this. Or as the breaking news report from RFI puts it, "the government is considering that the civil unrest maybe spurred by outside interference".

I mean, it's way easier to blame Russia for it rather than admit that you handled this crisis terribly. And it's only gonna get worse tomorrow.
 
Why the silence? Do leftists around the world not actually care about workers and the poor? Only their virtue and "goodness" in this world?
The American left and its loyal European followers don't, and that's because they entirely stopped caring about the class struggle and other typically left-wing questions when the Soviet Union fell. Talking about class became out of fashion due to how massive of a failure the USSR utopia project had turned out to be, so they had to find other types of oppression to focus on. Enter intersectional theory and queer theory being popularized, increased focus on particularly Muslims, companies fully realizing that they could profit from all of this and all that other nonsense and nowadays they won't give a shit if the struggle isn't intersectional/queer/:islamic:ic/whatever enough. The Gilets Jaunes protests is just a traditional type of rich VS poor conflict, so why would the 21st century corporatist left care?
 
Actually, some people in France have started to blame Russian bots for this. Or as the breaking news report from RFI puts it, "the government is considering that the civil unrest maybe spurred by outside interference".

I mean, it's way easier to blame Russia for it rather than admit that you handled this crisis terribly. And it's only gonna get worse tomorrow.
I'm hearing this locally. Buncha idiots going "There are Trump funded dissidents meant to weaken the EU!" and such. It's like they haven't even looked at who's protesting.
 
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Edit : There’s a priest going around spraying holy water on protesters. +5 Holy Damage

What an impressive riot so far. There’s like 20 people facing the army atm.
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