"It's not bad, it's just pretending to be bad, so it's actually good." - Where do you draw the line?

[Anonimo]

Depends on who you ask in regards to taking satirical articles seriously. Personally, I'd say it's both funny and pathetic at the same time if you get your news exclusively from a site like The Onion and try to make yourself out to be so informed about hot-button issues.

 

[Burgers in the ass]

Depends on who you ask in regards to taking satirical articles seriously. Personally, I'd say it's both funny and pathetic at the same time if you get your news exclusively from a site like The Onion and try to make yourself out to be so informed about hot-button issues.

What
Does it mean that 40 year old doesnt have spikey hair??

 

[Joan Nyan]

If you like it it's good and if you don't like it it's bad. I wasn't aware you're supposed to do some kind of objective analysis to determine whether or not you like something.

 

[parasesama]

That's not tru

For example: a satirical cartoon done well doesn't need to be explained, and usually most people catch on that it's satire, and can appreciate its existence. If a satirical cartoon is done poorly, it's almost no different from being a bad cartoon, and so it's met with mostly criticism.

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[Jewelsmakerguy]

Let's be honest here, if someone's trying to pass something off that's legitimately bad as "It's good bad, honest!", then it's nothing more than just complete and utter shit. A trainwreck with next to no redeeming qualities or someone who either fucked up in a completely hilarious fashion or tried their damnedest and the product still turned out laughable.

Now if the intention was to actually come off as being bad, then it varies. As mentioned in the thread earlier, AVGN and Gordon both exaggerate (or is a character in AVGN's case), so their badness is in part intentional, so it's a little more forgivable. The problem is when people start applying a similar mentality to both media and people who are legitimately garbage (think lolcows trying to excuse their behavior after a particularly failed trolling attempt). That shit should not be believed in any way to be anything other than legitimate shittines and/or r.etardation.

 

[Medici]

If it stops being entertaining it has no point. Who cares if it makes fun of something? If it's shit it's shit.

example:

There is no joke to this, it's just fucking noise. It's mixed horribly and it's borderline unlistenable. Who cares if he did it on purpose? It's still a shit song. It sucks because the album has some fucking BANGERS on the 2nd half but the album is filled with this budget Death Grips shit.

 

[GarthMarenghisDankplace]

Al Murray (Brit comedian with a 'pub landlord' character) is a great example of this. He started out his character to poke fun at the 'Little Englander' mentality, but it turned out the only folk that found him funny were the same folk who he was trying to rip on cause they agreed with everything this character said. And now he just does that character to exactly the people he used to mock and any irony has been long since dropped.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

If something is hilariously bad (as in you can laugh about how stupid it is and make it an in joke) then it's fine. One really shitty show my friend and I watch on occasion is Legends of Chaimbarland Heights. It's god awful but it's so bad it's funny. The art and animation are hilariously bad (a lot of animations only have a few frames) and the jokes are so bad it's funny.

Something like Neo Yokio is near irredeemably bad. All the voice acting is awful, it's attempts at humor are just sad, a lot of the dialogue makes little sense because it's written by a some white hipster who's trying to sound like a 90's black stereotype. There is the occasional funny moment that's only funny because it makes little sense and it's funny for the wrong reasons like Chris' RANDOM ACCESS HUMOR. The premise of the show has almost nothing to do with the little plot there is, and one of the characters is just there to spout communist nonsense. The show is apparently supposed to be a satire of capitalism but it's just so fucking retarded, and the only thing it covers are cartoony stereotypes of rich people. There is one scene where LGBT nonsense is just shoehorned in so the show seems progressive.
Neo Yokio is worse than Sonichu.

But yeah what you're talking about is a pretty annoying thing. Everyone likes to clain something bad is just satire.

 

[pentylspacer2600]

i think theirs too much nuance to draw a solid line but honestly i can appreciate shitty content just by thinking of how funny it would be if it was intentional. usually if something is super jarring and completely uninteresting i consider it a bad.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

OK. David Lynch.

Not all his stuff, more his later output like muholland drive, that one with the fucking rabbits... and the new twin peaks. I guess it's just because he's got hardcore fans that would buy his shit if he said it was art, but people are willing to jump through some hoops to justify why they actually liked something when they would have hated it from any other creator.

 

[Cool kitties club]

OK. David Lynch.

Not all his stuff, more his later output like muholland drive, that one with the fucking rabbits... and the new twin peaks. I guess it's just because he's got hardcore fans that would buy his shit if he said it was art, but people are willing to jump through some hoops to justify why they actually liked something when they would have hated it from any other creator.

David Lynch is something you watch for intrigue and the spectacle of the strangeness. So if his fans find it intriguing then it works

 

[Guts Gets Some]

I don't think you come up with a character like that and play it convincingly if there's absolutely nothing true about it.

This^. Saying the AVGN is a character is too far. Caricature is closer, I feel.

Notice how the AVGN still talks about James' own past in several episodes, referring it to "I...." and showing actual footage of the past, etc. To be a character means it'd be a wholly separate being, different background, different personality, etc.

He's not. The AVGN is literally just James Rolfe hamming up his anger and doing lame cameo skits from time to time. Nothing more.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

David Lynch is something you watch for intrigue and the spectacle of the strangeness. So if his fans find it intriguing then it works

Well, the Twin Peaks reboot.. thingy was interesting in that it brought together Twin Peaks fans and David Lynch fans. The Twin Peaks fans didn't like that the new season was nothing like the previous ones and seemed to just be for Lynch to jack himself off about how awesome he is. The Lynch fans thought the Twin Peaks fans weren't real David Lynch fans. Some people thought it just wasn't very good, by any objective standard.

But if the existence of fans invalidates an example then I don't think anything here is going to count. There are enough people to have fans of every stupid thing.

 

[Cool kitties club]

If it stops being entertaining it has no point. Who cares if it makes fun of something? If it's shit it's shit.

example:

There is no joke to this, it's just fucking noise. It's mixed horribly and it's borderline unlistenable. Who cares if he did it on purpose? It's still a shit song. It sucks because the album has some fucking BANGERS on the 2nd half but the album is filled with this budget Death Grips shit.

*cough cough* Death Grips