Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Hatoful Dandy]

Vader's body was essentially restored when he screamed, and did you notice how the lava wounds didn't power him to the extent where he could do anything to Obi Wan?
Maybe he should have tried screaming!!11

Oh great, now I have the mental image of Chris as Vader...

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Tldr: The "Kylo was wounded" approach doesn't work due to him being grazed by the shot rather than incapacitated as demonstrated by the cinematography and if anything makes him a more dangerous opponent to face.

Exactly. When we see him running through the forest, he's not even inconvenienced by his wound and as you showed, if anything, it should have made him even more powerful. But suddenly, when he fights Rey, that thing is supposedly the reason he lost. But even so, she's capable to kill several of the (presumably) best melee fighters the FO has to offer just a couple hours later. And the only excuse we get for this shitty, gratuitous writing: Lol she downloaded the abilities via Sith-DSL. Also, I might be mistaken, but is Snokes really supposed to be some sort of Sith, I thought that wasn't the case, was it?

Oh great, now I have the mental image of Chris as Vader...

Oh ye gods...

Spoiler: snippety snap

[Vader races into the frame, obviously angry and upset; he begins speaking quietly, but gradually gets louder]
This does not even deserve a Captain's Log introduction... [dramatic lightsaber flashing] BECAUSE THIS IS DEAD SERIOUS. The inside and outside plans I did A FEW DAYS ago of the Death Star, everyone in the Galaxy...
[Vader jumps up and suddenly begins to scream and yell in a fit of Sith rage, flapping his arms as he puts louder emphasis on certain words, sounding somewhat similar to Chewbacca]
EMPEROR PALPATIN AND GRANDMOFF TARKIN ARE ANGRY AT ME!
THEY'RE BLAMING IT AT ME! IT'S MY FAULT, I ADMIT IT! IT'S MY FAULT; I WANT EVERYTHING A-BOUT THE DEATHSTAR
OFF!
THE!
DROID!
[Vader starts gesticulating ridiculously with his light sabre] I'll send in Storm Troopers! I'll send in AT-STs! I'll send in EVERYTHING IN MY POWER!
[Palpatine walks in]
Vader: JUST GET IT OFF THE DROID...
Palpatine: Listen-to-me! [muffled by Vader's "OFF THE DROID!"] Listen to me.
Vader: [he slowly turns to face Sheev] Yes...
Palpatine: Listen to ME.
Vader: Yes.
Palpatine: Shut that goddamn thing off!
[Vader sighs and attempts to turn off his Holocron recorder, but fails to realize that it's still recording the conversation. Palpatine walks over to him]
Palpatine: I don't care what you do. [pointing at Holocron Recorder] You get all that stuff off of there. Tonight.
Vader: I'm working on it. [slaps hands to his side]
Palpatine: Go work on it! [points to the door, instructing Vader to go to the meditation chamber]
Vader: I am workin-
Palpatine: Do you realize...? Do you realize something? Let me tell you: If Admiral Ackbar of the Rebellion fleet... sees those plans... that you allowed to be put on the damn Droid... they could blow up our Death Star, and we would have to make a new one...?
Vader: [sighs] I see.
Palpatine: You go get that [nervously laughs when saying the next few words] goddamn stuff off of there and fast!
Vader: I'm working on it! I was making a Hol—uh, a hol-oh-cron t-tellin' ev'rybody, "get the plans off of the Droid". Y'know it's not...
Palpatine: No...
Vader: Its—It's, ahh, out of my control [flails arms]
Palpatine: No, you get 'em off.
Vader: It's out of my control! I don't know where to go! I DUNNO KNOW WHERE TA GO-
Palpatine: You loaded them up there, you unload 'em!
Vader: I'm working on it!
Palpatine: Go do it!
Vader: I AM WORK'- I AM DOIN' IT... I'M STARTIN'...
Palpatine: Get in here and do it!
Vader: I- [sputters]
Palpatine: [walks out of the room] I'll be up all night with you if I have to. You won't get any sleep until that stuff's off.
Vader: I'm working on it!
Palpatine: [from outside] Get in there and start!
Vader: I'M WOR-KIN' ON IT! LET ME DO THAT STUPID HOLO SO I CAN TELL E'RRYBODY, IN MY COMMAND, TO GET EVERYTHIN'- HELP ME GET EVERYTHIN' OFF THE DROID-
Palpatine: [interrupting] Listen!
Vader: -about the Death Star!
Palpatine: I don't wanna see the Death Star being blown up. By the Rebell Fleet. And what you just did was stick a light sabre in our back, and kill us! [Palpatine exits the room again]
Vader: Aw'right... lemme just...
Palpatine: Get that stuff offa there...
Vader: I'M WORK-
Palpatine: ...and get it offa there fast!
Vader: I'm workin on it! I'm WORKIN on it! [Vader appears to resume recording footage for his holocron] So yeah, please, get everything off the Droid...
Now, NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!
[Vader stomps the ground as he yells, the holocron noticeably shakes; he then quickly calms down, then holds up the peace sign]
Curse the Rebells, peace to everyone else.

[Edit]
Just found this gem:
The acting is kinda hokey, the set-design is a bit basic, but I'll be damned if this isn't still absolutely amazing.

And the CGI is actually pretty good. I also like the idea behind this. A movie about a troubled Darth Vader who's still living in the shadow of his former self and troubled by his choices... damn, I really like this, for the idea alone.

Looks like SW has become yet another franchise where you need to read or watch fan productions to get quality content rather than exposing yourself to the filth that Hollywood shits out.

 

[Flexo]

TBF, Rey is shown being proficient with a quarterstaff - something she apparently grew up with for self-defense - at the beginning of TFA. During the later duel with Kylo Ren, she's jabbing and otherwise wielding it like she would her quarterstaff, so those aspects seemed plausible.

The fact she could team up with Kylo to strike down the presumably-skilled guards in TLJ with no injuries to her person apart from a seemingly-superficial cut on her shoulder/arm definitely comes across as far-fetched for someone who has no formal instruction in Jedi arts and lightsaber combat. Heck, Luke's first duel with Vader in ESB didn't go well and cost him a hand. But MaRey Sue can't suffer any defeat, adversity, or failures because she's the heroine and the Force is female, right?

Well she does get almost get stabbed until someone decided her not getting Kylo's dick was enough failure for one movie so it's just poorly edited out.

Yep. The Force is insignificant next to the power of the Sue.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Yep. The Force is insignificant next to the power of the Sue.

That scene has so many people praising it even though it's incredibly retarded past the most superficial level and it's ridiculous, though I guess it's just a microcosm of TLJ in that aspect. How she reacts to it definitely makes me think she was scripted to be hit before someone (KK, Rian or whoever) had second thoughts.

 

[Miller]

I can't take that sequence seriously because of Rian's choice to have some red cutains to hide the unfinished set that looked exactly like the throne room on the Death Star.
TLJ looks and feels like the final act of a story where you have to wrap up the storylines (Snoke, Luke, Rey) and leave something for another trilogy that would be made 30 years from now (the kid with the broom).

 

[Creep3r]

Exactly. When we see him running through the forest, he's not even inconvenienced by his wound and as you showed, if anything, it should have made him even more powerful. But suddenly, when he fights Rey, that thing is supposedly the reason he lost. But even so, she's capable to kill several of the (presumably) best melee fighters the FO has to offer just a couple hours later. And the only excuse we get for this shitty, gratuitous writing: Lol she downloaded the abilities via Sith-DSL. Also, I might be mistaken, but is Snokes really supposed to be some sort of Sith, I thought that wasn't the case, was it?


Oh ye gods...

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Spoiler: snippety snap

[Vader races into the frame, obviously angry and upset; he begins speaking quietly, but gradually gets louder]
This does not even deserve a Captain's Log introduction... [dramatic lightsaber flashing] BECAUSE THIS IS DEAD SERIOUS. The inside and outside plans I did A FEW DAYS ago of the Death Star, everyone in the Galaxy...
[Vader jumps up and suddenly begins to scream and yell in a fit of Sith rage, flapping his arms as he puts louder emphasis on certain words, sounding somewhat similar to Chewbacca]
EMPEROR PALPATIN AND GRANDMOFF TARKIN ARE ANGRY AT ME!
THEY'RE BLAMING IT AT ME! IT'S MY FAULT, I ADMIT IT! IT'S MY FAULT; I WANT EVERYTHING A-BOUT THE DEATHSTAR
OFF!
THE!
DROID!
[Vader starts gesticulating ridiculously with his light sabre] I'll send in Storm Troopers! I'll send in AT-STs! I'll send in EVERYTHING IN MY POWER!
[Palpatine walks in]
Vader: JUST GET IT OFF THE DROID...
Palpatine: Listen-to-me! [muffled by Vader's "OFF THE DROID!"] Listen to me.
Vader: [he slowly turns to face Sheev] Yes...
Palpatine: Listen to ME.
Vader: Yes.
Palpatine: Shut that goddamn thing off!
[Vader sighs and attempts to turn off his Holocron recorder, but fails to realize that it's still recording the conversation. Palpatine walks over to him]
Palpatine: I don't care what you do. [pointing at Holocron Recorder] You get all that stuff off of there. Tonight.
Vader: I'm working on it. [slaps hands to his side]
Palpatine: Go work on it! [points to the door, instructing Vader to go to the meditation chamber]
Vader: I am workin-
Palpatine: Do you realize...? Do you realize something? Let me tell you: If Admiral Ackbar of the Rebellion fleet... sees those plans... that you allowed to be put on the damn Droid... they could blow up our Death Star, and we would have to make a new one...?
Vader: [sighs] I see.
Palpatine: You go get that [nervously laughs when saying the next few words] goddamn stuff off of there and fast!
Vader: I'm working on it! I was making a Hol—uh, a hol-oh-cron t-tellin' ev'rybody, "get the plans off of the Droid". Y'know it's not...
Palpatine: No...
Vader: Its—It's, ahh, out of my control [flails arms]
Palpatine: No, you get 'em off.
Vader: It's out of my control! I don't know where to go! I DUNNO KNOW WHERE TA GO-
Palpatine: You loaded them up there, you unload 'em!
Vader: I'm working on it!
Palpatine: Go do it!
Vader: I AM WORK'- I AM DOIN' IT... I'M STARTIN'...
Palpatine: Get in here and do it!
Vader: I- [sputters]
Palpatine: [walks out of the room] I'll be up all night with you if I have to. You won't get any sleep until that stuff's off.
Vader: I'm working on it!
Palpatine: [from outside] Get in there and start!
Vader: I'M WOR-KIN' ON IT! LET ME DO THAT STUPID HOLO SO I CAN TELL E'RRYBODY, IN MY COMMAND, TO GET EVERYTHIN'- HELP ME GET EVERYTHIN' OFF THE DROID-
Palpatine: [interrupting] Listen!
Vader: -about the Death Star!
Palpatine: I don't wanna see the Death Star being blown up. By the Rebell Fleet. And what you just did was stick a light sabre in our back, and kill us! [Palpatine exits the room again]
Vader: Aw'right... lemme just...
Palpatine: Get that stuff offa there...
Vader: I'M WORK-
Palpatine: ...and get it offa there fast!
Vader: I'm workin on it! I'm WORKIN on it! [Vader appears to resume recording footage for his holocron] So yeah, please, get everything off the Droid...
Now, NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!
[Vader stomps the ground as he yells, the holocron noticeably shakes; he then quickly calms down, then holds up the peace sign]
Curse the Rebells, peace to everyone else.

[Edit]
Just found this gem:
The acting is kinda hokey, the set-design is a bit basic, but I'll be damned if this isn't still absolutely amazing.

And the CGI is actually pretty good. I also like the idea behind this. A movie about a troubled Darth Vader who's still living in the shadow of his former self and troubled by his choices... damn, I really like this, for the idea alone.

Looks like SW has become yet another franchise where you need to read or watch fan productions to get quality content rather than exposing yourself to the filth that Hollywood shits out.

That fan film is actually looking pretty damn good. I honestly was ready for the worst or at least mediocre, but this is actually very in line to how Vader was portrayed in Pre Disney media. This is honestly what the Marvel Comics version of Vader should have been. Also that Sheev Palpatine is making me all tingly. I got to say this shit is actually getting a more positive reaction out of me than anything Disney has done. I really hope Disney doesn't shut this down like they did the Kotor remake.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

That fan film is actually looking pretty damn good. I honestly was ready for the worst or at least mediocre, but this is actually very in line to how Vader was portrayed in Pre Disney media.

I didn't mean to sound condescending towards the people who made it. Given the resources that a fan production has, it looks pretty decent. The actors aren't perfect, the makeup isn't perfect, the set isn't perfect, but you know what?

These people have a passion for SW, it's characters and it oozes out of every. Single. Frame.
I don't care about any of the rest, especially since absolutely everyhing about the rest has been good enough to a degree that you can just overlook the small imperfections to appreciate the hard, meticulous work that was put into it out of nothing but love for an IP. Hard to say how this will turn out, but I am infinitely more invested into this thing than I will ever be into Woke Wars.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

[Edit]
Just found this gem:
The acting is kinda hokey, the set-design is a bit basic, but I'll be damned if this isn't still absolutely amazing.

And the CGI is actually pretty good. I also like the idea behind this. A movie about a troubled Darth Vader who's still living in the shadow of his former self and troubled by his choices... damn, I really like this, for the idea alone.

Looks like SW has become yet another franchise where you need to read or watch fan productions to get quality content rather than exposing yourself to the filth that Hollywood shits out.

That's about right, this came out recently (I don't know if it was actually posted here or not so forgive the :late: if it was) and it's much more in line with the kind of movie I was expecting when Rogue One was first announced.

 

[Creep3r]

Well its official... Say hello to Papa Palpatine...
https://www.banthaskull.com/story/news_darth_vaders_father_officially_canonized
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shmi_Skywalker_Lars

Those fucking faces... Good Lord... People complained about the prequels "taking away the mysticism" from Star Wars with midis, but this shit really takes the fucking cake. To think they're actually applauding this. Hell even an image of Plagueis looming over Shmi would've been less terrible than this shit...

That's about right, this came out recently (I don't know if it was actually posted here or not so forgive the :late: if it was) and it's much more in line with the kind of movie I was expecting when Rogue One was first announced.

Its like I said several times in this thread. Disney screwed the pooch and now the future of Star Wars lies in fan content like WH40k and Star Trek. An animated fan series could even happen with SFM, some good models and a decent patreon/whatever, as long as they stay clear of Disney material.

I didn't mean to sound condescending towards the people who made it. Given the resources that a fan production has, it looks pretty decent. The actors aren't perfect, the makeup isn't perfect, the set isn't perfect, but you know what?

These people have a passion for SW, it's characters and it oozes out of every. Single. Frame.
I don't care about any of the rest, especially since absolutely everyhing about the rest has been good enough to a degree that you can just overlook the small imperfections to appreciate the hard, meticulous work that was put into it out of nothing but love for an IP. Hard to say how this will turn out, but I am infinitely more invested into this thing than I will ever be into Woke Wars.

If it helps, I didn't think you sounded condescending.

 

[Antipathy]

Vader's body was essentially restored when he screamed, and did you notice how the lava wounds didn't power him to the extent where he could do anything to Obi Wan?
Maybe he should have tried screaming!!11

Well, the difference is that Vader had just undergone reconstructive surgery when he screamed.

But in old Legends material, if Vader was angry enough, he could actually survive without his suit for an extended period of time (IE, until his rage ends and then the minute or four he gets generally).

While we're on fan content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Sure, it shows a TIE Bomber being effective against fighters, but hey, it's flashy and fun.

 

[Creep3r]

Well, the difference is that Vader had just undergone reconstructive surgery when he screamed.

But in old Legends material, if Vader was angry enough, he could actually survive without his suit for an extended period of time (IE, until his rage ends and then the minute or four he gets generally).

While we're on fan content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Sure, it shows a TIE Bomber being effective against fighters, but hey, it's flashy and fun.

That TIE Fighter fan film should've served as proof to Disney how much fans love the Empire, yet they instead use them for shitty political preaching.

Even if true, nobody cares or wants to think about it, they just want to see troopers go all out and hear their side of the story like old media before Disney did. But Disney prefers to keep them as one dimensional and expendable jokes to be "punched like nazis" while you wear a safety pin. Even the 501st charity got screwed.

Also I wouldn't mind if some fans brought back Troops.

But now that I think about it, there's a problem with fan content as revealed by Star Wars Theory. Its that Disney only gave him permission to make the Vader fan film if it was entirely funded from his own pocket. He wasn't allowed to use Patreon or any other donations unless he wanted to get shut down (I think donations were only allowed unless direct, I can't recall). Fucking Disney is worse than GeeDubs.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

What a brave and stunning political stance this is. "Space Nazis are bad, m'kay..."

Here's an idea, show the indoctrination of the Storm Troopers. Show the suffering of the regular John SpaceDoe and how he's lead to believe that all his pain is due to "Resistance Terrorists". Show how the Empire uses false flag attacks against its civilians. Show Storm Troopers being convinced by the heroes (such as Finn, hint hint) to change their ways and to realize that they have been led on by an autoritarian regime.
In short: DO something with this stuff.
The easy, lame and boring way is to be content with "Space Nazis bad, m'kay...", the exciting, new and politically relevant and interesting way to go would be to make social commentary, not from the position of a moral high horse, but rather from a point of view that you want to give people the chance to realize their mistakes and correct them. Y'know... that's kind of a big deal in Star Wars.

But whatever, hamfisted moralising with an entire faction of antagonists that are nothing but Logan's Heroes rejects is fine too, I guess. After all, the economic success of the movies tells us how well received this stance is, right?

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I can't take that sequence seriously because of Rian's choice to have some red cutains to hide the unfinished set that looked exactly like the throne room on the Death Star.

I cracked up the first time I saw Snoke's throne room because it looks like the backdrop to a Bob Fosse routine.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Is it sad that I feel Family Guy off all things did a better sendoff to Carrie Fisher than whatever Episode IX has planned?

 

[Miller]

Even the 501st charity got screwed.

I feel bad for the people who were involved in the 501st. A couple of months ago Ray Park (Maul) and Daniel Logan (Bobba Fett) have left the charity because of they way its handled by Disney. From what I've heard the fake geeks/Disney shills have taken over and have added more rules that kills the fun of being part of the charity. Most of these newcomers are in it for the prestige but don't want to contribute.

 

[Creep3r]

I feel bad for the people who were involved in the 501st. A couple of months ago Ray Park (Maul) and Daniel Logan (Bobba Fett) have left the charity because of they way its handled by Disney. From what I've heard the fake geeks/Disney shills have taken over and have added more rules that kills the fun of being part of the charity.

Yeah, I heard. Another charity fan-group that did services to hospital kids got screwed over by the Kelly Marie Tran controversy over a harmless joke. I can only wonder how much worse the state of these well meaning fan groups has become thanks to Disney screwing them over. Worst part is I saw people happily bash them because they weren't official or relevant to "Canon™". Who the fuck gives a shit if they don't have the official Disney brand on them? They just wanted to do good while doing what they loved.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Fans are dedicated enough to form an international organization that suit up in costumes to match the IP they adore, do charity work and support your product in manifold ways, some of which aren't directly financial in nature but generate quite some profit in the long run, due to essentially being IP promoters for free.

What do you do when you create a new trilogy? Give their organization a nod by making it canon? Possibly by making them the first bad-guys-turned-good in your final movie, just as a little gesture of aknowledgement and appreciation?

Nah, brand them Hitler-loving, wife-beating, mouth-breathing, socially awkward scum.

I can't even express how sick this makes me feel. There's been people that have been passionate about the brand for longer than most people currently working on SW have even been alive. And Disney threw them under the bus. For no fucking reason. For no fucking reason.
Disney does not deserve these fans.

 

[Creep3r]

Fans are dedicated enough to form an international organization that suit up in costumes to match the IP they adore, do charity work and support your product in manifold ways, some of which aren't directly financial in nature but generate quite some profit in the long run, due to essentially being IP promoters for free.

What do you do when you create a new trilogy? Give their organization a nod by making it canon? Possibly by making them the first bad-guys-turned-good in your final movie, just as a little gesture of aknowledgement and appreciation?

Nah, brand them Hitler-loving, wife-beating, mouth-breathing, socially awkward scum.

I can't even express how sick this makes me feel. There's been people that have been passionate about the brand for longer than most people currently working on SW have even been alive. And Disney threw them under the bus. For no fucking reason. For no fucking reason.
Disney does not deserve these fans.

Even when under George, the 501st charity got the respect they deserved and were even included in official SW stories (they were the elite troopers). Meanwhile Disney and their legions just told them to fuck off.

 

[Flexo]

Well, the difference is that Vader had just undergone reconstructive surgery when he screamed.

But in old Legends material, if Vader was angry enough, he could actually survive without his suit for an extended period of time (IE, until his rage ends and then the minute or four he gets generally).

While we're on fan content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Sure, it shows a TIE Bomber being effective against fighters, but hey, it's flashy and fun.

Only rating you:late: because I linked tie fighter way back on this thread.

 

[BR55]

What a brave and stunning political stance this is. "Space Nazis are bad, m'kay..."

Here's an idea, show the indoctrination of the Storm Troopers. Show the suffering of the regular John SpaceDoe and how he's lead to believe that all his pain is due to "Resistance Terrorists". Show how the Empire uses false flag attacks against its civilians. Show Storm Troopers being convinced by the heroes (such as Finn, hint hint) to change their ways and to realize that they have been led on by an autoritarian regime.
In short: DO something with this stuff.
The easy, lame and boring way is to be content with "Space Nazis bad, m'kay...", the exciting, new and politically relevant and interesting way to go would be to make social commentary, not from the position of a moral high horse, but rather from a point of view that you want to give people the chance to realize their mistakes and correct them. Y'know... that's kind of a big deal in Star Wars.

But whatever, hamfisted moralising with an entire faction of antagonists that are nothing but Logan's Heroes rejects is fine too, I guess. After all, the economic success of the movies tells us how well received this stance is, right?

But all that would involve pesky things like Moral Ambiguity and admitting that the Enemy isn't a soulless automaton and that they are in fact human.
And we all know theres no room for those concepts in the modern entertainment industry.
Wouldn't want to make the masses think would we now.
Not to mention that all the professional boosters and twitter warriors would get mad that they could no longer project their shallow politics onto the films.
We're stuck with Space Nazis wether we like it or not.