Artcow Luna Tiny / Sara Elizabeth O'Hern / Anonymous-Asexual / AnonymousArtist - Fake troon, fake asexual, possible art thief

[One Man Bland]

So it looks like she deleted a lot of the messages that were posted on her tumblr but I do remember that she had a lot of people telling her "hey practice art" or "your arms are short" or "references are your friend" and she screeched a lot about "it's MY style, you don't get to comment on it! my art isn't for you! if you don't like it stop looking at it!" and of course there was a flood of asspatters.

Around this time, her comics were getting more (negative) attention, in particular I think some guy dubbed over them on Facebook and a "hate account" opened on tumblr. All in March/April of this year.

Spoiler: some posts from after the fallout

Spoiler: the comic she made

Sorry for the letdown lol. As a consolation prize, here's a cap from when I was digging through the wayback machine. It seems that Luna in her cluelessness published an ask critical of her identity politics, thinking that it was actually an endorsement. Unless she's really failing at being passive aggressive.

Spoiler: lol idiot

I can tell you from experience that whole “I will GLADLY accept criticism if it’s meant to help me learn and is worded in this specific format!” line Tumblrinas always use is a complete and utter lie. Motherfuckers like this are the most thin-skinned people on the planet, you could shower them in a million compliments and list everything you think they’re doing correctly, and they would still zero in on the one critical nitpick and bawl about it for weeks.

Willing to bet she’s one of those cry-babies who cries about “unsolicited critique” too. She was likely a pain at school.

Also gonna go out on a limb and say that ask response is supposed to be passive aggressive sarcasm.

 

[SpaceAce]

I don't get how AA's art looks so bland. I'm going through their comics and all of it uses the same bland art style over and over again. How does this person not improve over the span of months? Do they not get tired of looking at it? It's like they just churned their are in a machine and called it a day.

There are two reasons an artist doesn’t improve: laziness and/or fear.
In the laziness side of things you have people like Tim Buckley who doesn’t I,prove because he doesn’t actually draw all that often. He copies and pastes, sometimes traces and when he does do something different it’s still in the style, perspective and with the forms he’s most comfortable with.
The fear side is what you get from people like Rob Liefield and it is often masked by false arrogance. These artists were usually praised for drawing something one way and are terrified to deviate from that one way for fear of losing that praise.
Drawing something new or different is hard and your first 100 attempts at it will probably look like trash, so if you don’t put in the work and/or can’t handle producing something that isn’t as polished as that same face you draw for every character, or that one background or pose, you don’t improve.

With Luna my best guess is it’s the fear that keeps her with the same faces, same pos3s at the same angles. Her work isn’t great, but attempting something new would no doubt turn out even worse (at least for the first little while) and I don’t think her thin skin could handle the criticism from both herself and the outside world.

 

[Meowthkip]

 

[PT 522]

I can tell you from experience that whole “I will GLADLY accept criticism if it’s meant to help me learn and is worded in this specific format!” line Tumblrinas always use is a complete and utter lie. Motherfuckers like this are the most thin-skinned people on the planet, you could shower them in a million compliments and list everything you think they’re doing correctly, and they would still zero in on the one critical nitpick and bawl about it for weeks.

Willing to bet she’s one of those cry-babies who cries about “unsolicited critique” too. She was likely a pain at school.

Also gonna go out on a limb and say that ask response is supposed to be passive aggressive sarcasm.

This a million times. A critical skill as an artist is learning to deal with critique: depersonalizing it, analyzing it, picking out the bits you think are valid and which you don't need to pay any mind to. She actually does have two asks up to "prove" that she can take criticism, and they're both worded as a "you're a very special and good artist but have you tried x? I think it's useful and will help you improve, not that you aren't great already! " type deal.

And I agree, I can't even imagine what she's like when it comes time for the class to mill about and give each other pointers on their sketchbooks or projects.

If that was passive aggressive snark then she really should have picked an ask that strawmans the other side better. This person just made a very good argument. Just goes to show that even her "haters" wear kid gloves, I guess.

 

[NoFeline]

I knew someone very much like her with criticism. In order to "help" them at all, that is, make them take and use any amount of criticism given to them, throw the entire concept of the compliment sandwich out the window. You need a whole paragraph of asspatting with a minor 'but I think you could do x better" near the end to make them accept anything at all. You also have to be careful about what words you use (NEVER say "ugly") as even one wrong move will make all that effort meaningless.

Or alternatively you could just not waste time on wastes of space.

 

[AnOminous]

Or alternatively you could just not waste time on wastes of space.

Or mock them for being utter shit as an artist and watch them chimp out and claim to have PTSD about it.

 

[Tanti-Fanti]

I knew someone very much like her with criticism. In order to "help" them at all, that is, make them take and use any amount of criticism given to them, throw the entire concept of the compliment sandwich out the window. You need a whole paragraph of asspatting with a minor 'but I think you could do x better" near the end to make them accept anything at all. You also have to be careful about what words you use (NEVER say "ugly") as even one wrong move will make all that effort meaningless.

Or alternatively you could just not waste time on wastes of space.

If there's this one thing I hate that is festered by Luna and other artists on the internet, it's that they're so sensitive it's actually ridiculous.

You could give them so much praise about their work, but the moment you say anything bad about it or a slight error they REEE about it so hard. I've seen this mentality on other sites as well, but I can not stand it.

Have these artists ever taken a step back and said, "Hey, maybe my art isn't that good?"..Ever? Have they ever had the critical thought to say " I don't have to take this seriously because I know it's a problem and I need to work on it?" No. They just ban people from giving them critiques on a public website in which anyone can say anything.

It's by understanding these flaws you improve. Luna can complain all they want about the criticism they receive, but at the end of the day THEY are the one who posted it online for others to see.

I don't understand why it's so hard for Luna and others to grasp that your online profile is not private and that the more you REEE the more people will troll you. It's like every is a personal attack.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't understand why it's so hard for Luna and others to grasp that your online profile is not private and that the more you REEE the more people will troll you.

And then eventually you end up so repellent and annoying that everyone abandons you except the trolls, because they know they can always get a rise out of you. And then you're Andrew Dobson, and might as well just kys.

 

[Burning Fanatic]

I'd be surprised if nobody posted this before:
Bad Webcomics Wiki did a review of the comic, and boy, even that terrible pic of her they made fun of.

If so, I'll delete this.

 

[One Man Bland]

I knew someone very much like her with criticism. In order to "help" them at all, that is, make them take and use any amount of criticism given to them, throw the entire concept of the compliment sandwich out the window. You need a whole paragraph of asspatting with a minor 'but I think you could do x better" near the end to make them accept anything at all. You also have to be careful about what words you use (NEVER say "ugly") as even one wrong move will make all that effort meaningless.

Or alternatively you could just not waste time on wastes of space.

This attitude is really prevalent on Tumblr unfortunately - “creative” types tend to latch onto the idea that critique that’s unsolicited is actually damaging (because they claim they’ll quit art/writing/etc. forever if it hurts their feelings) and that “real” critique is formatted in a specific way that focuses entirely on what you’re doing “right” (because if you only focus on what they did wrong, then they can’t possibly figure out what’s good about it for themselves) or else it’s criticism in bad faith and therefore belongs in the trash. It’s all a bunch of nonsense and just a means of trying to guilt trip people into only tell them how special they are of course, but that’s the reasoning they’ll give when asked.

Though what’s extra funny about this is that demanding such a strict format doesn’t actually give them the glowing “you’re perfect the way you are uwu” worship they expect: it just makes people not say anything because they think the work is mediocre, but don’t want to go through the headache of trying to format a compliment sundae just to insert a criticism cherry in there (and most likely be bitched at anyways). Hence why it’s extremely common among Tumblr artists/writers to see the ones who REEEE the loudest about “muh unsolicited criticism!!” also be the ones who bitch about how nobody ever leaves comments on their stuff.

 

[PT 522]

This attitude is really prevalent on Tumblr unfortunately - “creative” types tend to latch onto the idea that critique that’s unsolicited is actually damaging (because they claim they’ll quit art/writing/etc. forever if it hurts their feelings) and that “real” critique is formatted in a specific way that focuses entirely on what you’re doing “right” (because if you only focus on what they did wrong, then they can’t possibly figure out what’s good about it for themselves) or else it’s criticism in bad faith and therefore belongs in the trash. It’s all a bunch of nonsense and just a means of trying to guilt trip people into only tell them how special they are of course, but that’s the reasoning they’ll give when asked.

Though what’s extra funny about this is that demanding such a strict format doesn’t actually give them the glowing “you’re perfect the way you are uwu” worship they expect: it just makes people not say anything because they think the work is mediocre, but don’t want to go through the headache of trying to format a compliment sundae just to insert a criticism cherry in there (and most likely be bitched at anyways). Hence why it’s extremely common among Tumblr artists/writers to see the ones who REEEE the loudest about “muh unsolicited criticism!!” also be the ones who bitch about how nobody ever leaves comments on their stuff.

If having some rando tell you your anatomy is whack is enough to make you want to quit art forever, then just quit lol

 

[One Man Bland]

If having some rando tell you your anatomy is whack is enough to make you want to quit art forever, then just quit lol

But if they do that then they’d have to admit they aren’t cut out to have an artistic career and have to settle for getting real jobs.

 

[NoFeline]

If having some rando tell you your anatomy is whack is enough to make you want to quit art forever, then just quit lol

What kills me the most is adult artists receiving such criticism and using children as their shield, implying that whoever gave the criticism is also "attacking" little kids and other beginners. But when don't SJWs use kids as a shield? Everything they don't like is LICHRALLY killing children, especially the trans ones.

 

[Tanti-Fanti]

What kills me the most is adult artists receiving such criticism and using children as their shield, implying that whoever gave the criticism is also "attacking" little kids and other beginners. But when don't SJWs use kids as a shield? Everything they don't like is LICHRALLY killing children, especially the trans ones.

It's an excuse. They'd rather say that some person on DA is a kid with an obscure diaper fetish(yeah, right) with horrible art than admit to their own insecurities. It's easier to talk about kids in a negative light because our society is sympathetic towards them. Bad art can come from anyone.

But you know what? If Luna wants to continue art, so be it. They obviously want to continue this path and I won't discourage them from that. But the moment they start blaming others for why their career isn't taking off, that's when it's over. I can respect an artist who knows they aren't good but love it anyways. Many people do. You don't have the be the best and I don't expect Luna to be.

However, people really don't respect acting like you are the best at everything. It didn't work with Dobson and it won't work here. If Luna wants to improve they have a long way to go. The first thing they can do is learn to grow a spine and critically think about their art because they obviously need it. They need the criticism they receive. And they need to learn to understand what is criticism and what is not.

 

[One Man Bland]

But you know what? If Luna wants to continue art, so be it. They obviously want to continue this path and I won't discourage them from that. But the moment they start blaming others for why their career isn't taking off, that's when it's over. I can respect an artist who knows they aren't good but love it anyways. Many people do. You don't have the be the best and I don't expect Luna to be.

However, people really don't respect acting like you are the best at everything. It didn't work with Dobson and it won't work here. If Luna wants to improve they have a long way to go. The first thing they can do is learn to grow a spine and critically think about their art because they obviously need it. They need the criticism they receive. And they need to learn to understand what is criticism and what is not.

That’s just it though: people like Luna don’t pursue art art as a career path because they genuinely like this or that medium and have a real passion for striving to make something great. They pursue it because they consider it “easy” and fun and nothing like a stuffy office or retail job that they’re expected to put effort into.

 

[PT 522]

It's an excuse. They'd rather say that some person on DA is a kid with an obscure diaper fetish(yeah, right) with horrible art than admit to their own insecurities. It's easier to talk about kids in a negative light because our society is sympathetic towards them. Bad art can come from anyone.

But you know what? If Luna wants to continue art, so be it. They obviously want to continue this path and I won't discourage them from that. But the moment they start blaming others for why their career isn't taking off, that's when it's over. I can respect an artist who knows they aren't good but love it anyways. Many people do. You don't have the be the best and I don't expect Luna to be.

However, people really don't respect acting like you are the best at everything. It didn't work with Dobson and it won't work here. If Luna wants to improve they have a long way to go. The first thing they can do is learn to grow a spine and critically think about their art because they obviously need it. They need the criticism they receive. And they need to learn to understand what is criticism and what is not.

>them

 

[Meowthkip]

I'd be surprised if nobody posted this before:
Bad Webcomics Wiki did a review of the comic, and boy, even that terrible pic of her they made fun of.

If so, I'll delete this.

Thanks for the reminder of how bad BWW has gotten.

Jesus, using the first person in a wiki article? They aren't even trying anymore.

 

[White bubblegum]

Being a child isn't even an excuse to not get criticism. If a kid's art is shitty, they should get constructive criticism, and if they can't deal with it, they should grow some balls.

 

[Meowthkip]

Being a child isn't even an excuse to not get criticism. If a kid's art is shitty, they should get constructive criticism, and if they can't deal with it, they should grow some balls.

Now I'm just reminded of this.

 

[Tanti-Fanti]

Being a child isn't even an excuse to not get criticism. If a kid's art is shitty, they should get constructive criticism, and if they can't deal with it, they should grow some balls.

Even then, there's a difference between being a dick to a "5 year old who clearly doesn't know what they're doing" and "a new twenty something who went to art school and has a huge ego".

For as much as people can complain, Luna is NOT a child. They act like one, but they are NOT one. I almost refuse to believe they went to art school because let me tell you, some of those professors can be brutal. So the fact that they have this awful ego is just really bizarre. I don't know if they did receive criticism and that they just ignored it or they compensated by increasing their ego, but either way Luna has issues with their art that they refuse to acknowledge.

The fact that people are defending others like this by saying "they are child" annoy me not because children are immature and generally a still learning. It's just a shit excuse to prevent people from improving. Why take criticism when you can claim you got "death threats" and "are a child" so you don't have to listen, right?