DSP's Loan & Savings Company

In DSP's Christmas video for 2011 (the first full year of YouTube and a view-based contract with Machinima) DSP claimed he paid over 40% of his income in taxes. Based on the following tables you can estimate where his income was for that year.
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He wasn't literally paying over 40% because even at $1 mil a year he'd only be at an effective rate in the 38% range and that's for people that wildly mismanage their wealth.

DSP's true place in the tables is a mystery, much like the rest of his finances. He said he made more on YouTube than his job at HSI, Inc. but didn't say by how much (slightly more, three times as much, etc.)
 
Knowing Phil's inability to do math as well as inability to be honest, I'd assume he made somewhere in the $250k range that year. That would put his federal + state tax at ~34%, which he would absolutely round up to 40%. It would also explain how he was able to pay everything off (his debts) while also pissing away his money.
 
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By 2012 he was free of past debts, had a place to live, views based contract and I assume was very liquid. He should have stayed in the condo and just grinded his views based contract like he was doing until it ended. Let's say 2015. Pay off/sell CT condo then use money to buy a home in seattle and relax a bit. Also btw, he began making let's assume six figures at start of a bull market which lasted until end of this year like wtf man. He shouldn't even have that level of income. He's like if homer simpson won the lottery.
 
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https://www.investopedia.com/mortgage/heloc/refinancing-vs-home-equity-loan/
I still think he's trying to get a home equity loan, and I think he should get a home equity loan, but maybe he really has found a lender to buy his mortgage from his current lender.

It's really interesting to read the ways Phil will likely fuck himself over:

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One Caveat: Your Credit Score
Your ability to borrow using either refinancing or home equity loans depends on your credit score. If your credit score is lower than when you originally purchased your home, refinancing may not be in your best interest. Before going through the process of securing either of these methods, get your three credit scores from the trio of credit bureaus. If they aren’t above 740, talk with any potential lender about how your score might affect your interest rate.


If you’re not planning to stay in your home for a long period of time, a home equity loan might be the better choice, as the closing costs are less than those of a refi.


The Bottom Line
Refinancing and home equity loans have downsides, of course. If you’re refinancing, try not to take on another 30-year loan. Instead of putting the money you save into your pocket, opt for a loan of shorter duration – maybe a 15-year mortgage – or take a 30-year loan and make extra payments. Remember that the payment isn’t as important as the total amount of money you pay over the life of the loan. Paying on your first loan for 10 years and refinancing for another 30 probably cancels out any positive effect of the refinance. The goal should always be to eliminate debt as quickly as possible.
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He just admitted during part 2 of the Christmas begathon that he was
  1. applying for credit cards with 0% introductory rates
  2. racking up a bunch of debt on the cards
  3. applying for new credit cards with 0% introductory rates and transferring the debt to them
He deserves to have hundreds of thousands of dollars of credit card debt that he will never escape. He doesn't deserve good credit.
 
He just admitted during part 2 of the Christmas begathon that he was
  1. applying for credit cards with 0% introductory rates
  2. racking up a bunch of debt on the cards
  3. applying for new credit cards with 0% introductory rates and transferring the debt to them
He deserves to have hundreds of thousands of dollars of credit card debt that he will never escape. He doesn't deserve good credit.

It sounds like he let it slip his mortgage is also ARM. That's where the rising interest rates would hurt the most.

It's the only way I can fathom any financial institution giving him a 2nd mortgage when he was $50-60k underwater on his original.
 
Even if you cut out all the technical bullshit about finances you can probably agree one thing is true: DSP is the banks favorite kind of customer.
I'd be repeating myself if I said all the tips, subs and bitch ears never really benefit DSP directly, but instead make the bank and its excel spreadsheet autists happy that they have yet another paypig who was optimistic enough about their business/life to sign up for tons of debt. If you look beyond the banks who've loaned money to DSP you will see super mega turbo autists, just like those on KF, who put DSPs numbers into an excel sheet and decide what his future holds.

I said this shit several months ago:
Face it, Phil is the banks favorite kind of customer. Revolving debt, credit card debt, home mortgage debt, car loan debt. Phil has it all, and even if it is 90% of his expenditure, it has to be a significantly high amount. He's not fully drowning just yet, but his head is bobbing just above the water. Why on earth would any bank extend a loan to Phil for that car he bought a few months ago? Because they know they can get more out of him.

The point of banks isn't to put someone in a level of debt which can't be serviced, its ideal to lend as much as you can but still guarantee almost every single penny they get as income for eternity. Not so you can ensure they pay as soon as possible, but so that you can have long term profit by that person's inability to pay any more.

There is no doubt for me that DSP is just about at his choking point/bankruptcy and the past few months and years have more been him paying the minimum instead of using his debt as an actual tool to further his situation.

If DSP does end up declaring bankruptcy or gets his house/assets repossessed (or whatever would happen in that event) the bank will still likely cover its bases but would lose out on profit on account of having to risk auctions and selling off assets (I believe a third party company deals with asset sales and makes a nice slice of money on the fire sale).

DSP is certainly not the person you see on a documentary about foreclosures who has been mislead or taken advantage of, he's just the person who has pushed the "tools" are available and which can actually be used positively to further a person or companies position to the absolute limit.

So even if his paypigs do turn out and drop mad money towards his current crisis, we all know the truth, all they're doing is lining the pockets of the bank. This is the only reason I take issue with people thinking DSP is a grand planning scammer, he simply doesn't have enough forethought, DSP is just the guy repeating what the bank is telling him. All he's doing is trying to extend deadlines and if you ignore lucky paypigs appearing we all know he actively doesn't do anything to help expand his audience/appeal.

The saying goes, that there are only two sure things in life, death and taxes. But the third thing you can be sure of is that DSP will eventually be unable to service the minimum payments on his "financial tools" and will lose his house/everything (which what I think is the "good ending" in all of this because banks are gay).

So while it might be detestable for a grown and gouty able-bodied man to resort to ebegging for his income while ignoring a real job, its actually far more detestable if you look at the root of this situation: a guy who uses "financial tools" for reasons they aren't designed for so that he can try and beg/mislead his viewing audience into forking over increasing amounts of money, not so they can help with hospital bills or a surprise eviction notice, but so they can ensure that he is able to make the bare minimum payments for another few months until the exact same shit happens.

The bank isn't stupid enough to see "minimum payments" for so long and not use their expertise (autists in the Microsoft Excel department who calculate the risk profile of every kind of debtor, in every state/city/county/town from every single source of income CEO/manager/barmaid/farmer/YouTuber) to realize someone like DSP is never going to be able to meaningfully strike away at his debt.

Even if its not this or the next year, eventually the clouds will part and Zeus, the super mega autist bank employee will have DSP under his view and throw a lightning bolt in the form of the bank recalling debt/changing payment structures. Even if it isn't the excel autist at the bank, surprise medical bills or paypigs losing interest and DSPs entire show will inevitably fail spectacularly.

So if you're not well versed in the world (which isn't a bad thing) you should take time to learn that DSP is not at all unique. Everyone knows that one guy who took out 20 loans and credit cards to service his first 16 loans and for a time everything is great.

Then one day the bank calls up on their debt because a payment was missed or because a risk profile got updated and they fell short by 0.00001% or because the bank's autist refreshed his Excel spreadsheet and your debt was autoflagged. You'll hopefully realize there are plenty of people who don't even do begging and run businesses that appear to be successful to people and who end up coming short or even manage to fulfill whatever the bank's autists feel is the minimum payment.

Any smart business person usually hides themselves behind various company structures that make the effect of debt less substantial, but DSP is not that person, he took the riskiest of "business" ideas and decided to place all of his bets behind it.
 
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DSP made the claim in NYE stream that the economy was bad and interest rates were going up and this has caused his cc payments to increase. DSP always likes to talk about detractors using a shred of truth and turning it into something bigger, this is exactly what DSP is doing in this case.

The Fed raised rates 4 times in 2018, a 1/4 point each times for a total of 1%, bringing the rate up to a whopping 2.5%. Historically speaking 2.5 is very low. The Fed rate increase at most raised his cc interest rates by 1%, I've noticed mine have not even gone up the full 1%, probably because the last one in December has not trickled down yet to credit cards. I've said it before, his increase in cc payments has nothing to do with interest rates, it is because his percent min payment has gone up because he is a higher risk. Additionally his statement about rates going up because the economy is bad is actually the exact opposite of when the rates go up. Rates are increased when the economy is growing too fast, rates are raised to make money more expensive and slow things down. I would have thought with that finance degree he would know these basic concepts.
 
Even if you cut out all the technical bullshit about finances you can probably agree one thing is true: DSP is the banks favorite kind of customer.

DSP is the perfect example of someone that cannot critically think about their situation. If he has choice A, which has good long term results, or choice B, which is clearly a bad decision, but if Choice B happens to be slightly easier at the time, he will be B every single time.

It is amazing to me the amount of time and money he will sink into something rather than just stopping and thinking about the current situation.
 
Another inaccurate claim by DSP was that he would owe capital gain tax if he sold the WA condo. He would qualify to exclude up to 250k in gains from the sale.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc701

Finance degree and paying someone 5k to do his taxes and he can't even figure out this basic information. These are the times I can't decide if this is DSP being this dumb or if he is out right lying. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt and figure ignorance over being deceitful but this I just don't know how he cannot have figured this out. If he is not lying and is just ignorant, it's evidence that he has not even remotely considered selling the WA condo as this would be one of the first things to figure out.
 
Another inaccurate claim by DSP was that he would owe capital gain tax if he sold the WA condo. He would qualify to exclude up to 250k in gains from the sale.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc701

Finance degree and paying someone 5k to do his taxes and he can't even figure out this basic information. These are the times I can't decide if this is DSP being this dumb or if he is out right lying. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt and figure ignorance over being deceitful but this I just don't know how he cannot have figured this out. If he is not lying and is just ignorant, it's evidence that he has not even remotely considered selling the WA condo as this would be one of the first things to figure out.

He probably remembers that you have to pay capital gains on certain items, assumes it applies in 100% of cases, and because it's a handy excuse in this particular situation, that's all he needs to know. It's not so much a lie as willful ignorance by virtue of not being bothered to research any of it.
 
He probably remembers that you have to pay capital gains on certain items, assumes it applies in 100% of cases, and because it's a handy excuse in this particular situation, that's all he needs to know. It's not so much a lie as willful ignorance by virtue of not being bothered to research any of it.

I tend to agree, ignorance is most likely. However I think it is a good illustration that when he talks about his possible options and mentions selling the house he is being disingenuous. He has not seriously looked at that as an option or he would have found this bit of info. Only option he sees as reasonable is give me more money, tips really help right now, goes straight to the bills.
 
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"First of all you don't know what you're talking about and you can't do basic math."

K DSP. Hardcore OG fan calling you out and you tell him he's making himself look like an idiot. That'll get you dem monies.

EDIT: DSP just said his mortgages are all fixed rate. Interesting.
 
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"First of all you don't know what you're talking about and you can't do basic math."

K DSP. Hardcore OG fan calling you out and you tell him he's making himself look like an idiot. That'll get you dem monies.

I don't remember the exact day. Sometime in November Phil found it fit to describe bentboxer as the resident troll. Because he doesn't get too outta line, they let him stay. Not the exact quote, but pretty close.

bentboxer is a hardcore, OG fan (witness the pricey bit badge). To Phil, he is only a troll, so input doesn't mean much.

Also this from today
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