Serious LGBT Discussion

[Tardevoir]

Seeing the amount of women go from "I'M A LESBIAN I LOVE GIRLS OH MY GODDD I'M SO LESBIAN" to "uwu soft trans boi gay mlm" in just a few years kinda worries me in all honesty.

Not to sound a virgin with rage, but I'm lowkey worried I'll end up dating a woman like that.

Hell, in general I'm worried I'll accidentally date a trans man, and I'm simply just not into men. Yes, I would respect them as a person but... I don't want to date someone who's trans in general, not even a trans woman. I already have to handle my own serious mental health issues. I don't think I'm strong enough to handle something like that. That's another thing I'm worried about, I don't want to be shamed because of something like this.

I said I'll respect a trans persons' identity, but I'm starting to question whether or not I can really trust someone if they're trans. There are some wonderful people out there who are transsexual, and I respect them, but what if they're just the minority? Every trans person I've encountered has been extremely rude, piggish, and vindictive. Every time I've had an opposing opinion, not even related to gender, I've bet met with nasty responses. In worst cases, I've been downright belittled and nearly fucking doxxed. One particular person was the final straw for me, but this isn't the "vent about abusive friendship" thread, now is it?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Seeing the amount of women go from "I'M A LESBIAN I LOVE GIRLS OH MY GODDD I'M SO LESBIAN" to "uwu soft trans boi gay mlm" in just a few years kinda worries me in all honesty.

Not to sound a virgin with rage, but I'm lowkey worried I'll end up dating a woman like that.

Hell, in general I'm worried I'll accidentally date a trans man, and I'm simply just not into men. Yes, I would respect them as a person but... I don't want to date someone who's trans in general, not even a trans woman. I already have to handle my own serious mental health issues. I don't think I'm strong enough to handle something like that. That's another thing I'm worried about, I don't want to be shamed because of something like this.

I said I'll respect a trans persons' identity, but I'm starting to question whether or not I can really trust someone if they're trans. There are some wonderful people out there who are transsexual, and I respect them, but what if they're just the minority? Every trans person I've encountered has been extremely rude, piggish, and vindictive. Every time I've had an opposing opinion, not even related to gender, I've bet met with nasty responses. In worst cases, I've been downright belittled and nearly fucking doxxed. One particular person was the final straw for me, but this isn't the "vent about abusive friendship" thread, now is it?

Well you've already made it that, so...
Meanwhile, most of the lesbians I've met IRL have been angry dykes or catty bitches, but I try not to judge people based on categories. People are best dealt with as individuals.

 

[Tardevoir]

Yeah, I should just try to keep an open mind. Not every trans bloke is part of this hive-mind

 

[PorcupineTree]

Seeing the amount of women go from "I'M A LESBIAN I LOVE GIRLS OH MY GODDD I'M SO LESBIAN" to "uwu soft trans boi gay mlm" in just a few years kinda worries me in all honesty.

Where?

Not to sound a virgin with rage, but I'm lowkey worried I'll end up dating a woman like that.

Hell, in general I'm worried I'll accidentally date a trans man, and I'm simply just not into men. Yes, I would respect them as a person but... I don't want to date someone who's trans in general, not even a trans woman. I already have to handle my own serious mental health issues. I don't think I'm strong enough to handle something like that. That's another thing I'm worried about, I don't want to be shamed because of something like this.

I think you're worried about something that's very unlikely to happen. Trans people are uncommon and most are upfront about being trans. If someone's lying to you about that, your potential relationship has bigger problems.

I know I said online dating is shit, but if you simply need to get comfortable dating people and being gay in public, it's a good place to start. It would probably level out those premeditated anxieties.

 

[nier]

Where?

Tumblr probably. Hell there's a girl at the school I go to who was rather vocal about being a lesbian last year but I stumbled across a selfie of her today and lo and behold she's apparently a trans man now (pre-everything, of course). Which I personally don't get because in my humble transsexual opinion if you didn't know something was wrong when puberty started, and even self-identified as a woman who likes women at one point(!), how the hell did your brain reach the conclusion you want to grow old as a man? I dunno, I guess I'm just bitter and jaded after all these years of dealing with people saying you don't need dysphoria to be trans.

 

[PorcupineTree]

(I feel like I abuse this thread a lot.)

Does anyone else notice a sort of underlying sexism in the way gay people express themselves? It happens both ways: where gay men and women start to adopt stereotypical (and often offensive) traits that they perceive in the opposite sex. Ie. Girls may get more aggressive, guys might start acting catty. Is there something natural in that sort of behavior or is it just a consequence of social expectations? Do people feel like can’t act as their own gender if their sexuality doesn’t fit the standard?

I was more tomboyish growing up. I enjoyed physical contact sports. I still do. But I’ve never felt the need to stop enjoying girly things, to talk in a deeper voice or to cut my hair short. I’ve never felt like any gender other than female.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

(I feel like I abuse this thread a lot.)

Does anyone else notice a sort of underlying sexism in the way gay people express themselves? It happens both ways: where gay men and women start to adopt stereotypical (and often offensive) traits that they perceive in the opposite sex. Ie. Girls may get more aggressive, guys might start acting catty. Is there something natural in that sort of behavior or is it just a consequence of social expectations? Do people feel like can’t act as their own gender if their sexuality doesn’t fit the standard?

I was more tomboyish growing up. I enjoyed physical contact sports. I still do. But I’ve never felt the need to stop enjoying girly things, to talk in a deeper voice or to cut my hair short. I’ve never felt like any gender other than female.

Could be a form of socialization or overcompensation. I have a cousin, grew up a relatively normal boy. Then one day he came to visit, smacking his lips and flicking his wrist. Could just be a result of socializing with other gays and adapting to the social cues around them, or imitating older gay men. Or it could be a way of intentionally pushing themselves farther outside the norm than they already are, like a way of broadcasting "I'm out and I'm proud, what of it?" Not all gay men and lesbian women act this way, but it seems common among the card-carrying gay activist types and those deep into certain subcultures.

Trans people can also do this, but for different reasons. They are actually trying to act like the opposite gender because they want to be perceived and thought of as that gender, so they act what they think, or have been told, or have seen, that gender act like, and its generally a stereotype or over exaggeration. Because they didn't grow up that sex physically or socially, so the only way they can portray it is by being what they perceive it to be. Honestly, if I was trying to act femininely, I would probably do the same thing because, in mind, I would always wonder "Am I acting feminine enough? Am I just acting like how a man thinks a female acts?" But I've seen trans people who also pull it off much better than the average gay man. On the other hand, I've seen trans-trenders that barely even try to act feminine.

 

[AnOminous]

Could be a form of socialization or overcompensation. I have a cousin, grew up a relatively normal boy. Then one day he came to visit, smacking his lips and flicking his wrist. Could just be a result of socializing with other gays and adapting to the social cues around them, or imitating older gay men. Or it could be a way of intentionally pushing themselves farther outside the norm than they already are, like a way of broadcasting "I'm out and I'm proud, what of it?" Not all gay men and lesbian women act this way, but it seems common among the card-carrying gay activist types and those deep into certain subcultures.

I don't think that's always the case. I remember a guy in high school and everyone knew he was gay long before he figured it out.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

I think there's probably a correlation between sexuality and masculine or feminine physiology, which leads gay and lesbian groups to have a disproportionate amount of people attracted to social expressions of the opposite sex. I don't know enough about the subject to evaluate all the studies trying to confirm or deny that connection, but the idea that gay people solely behave in response to external social pressures doesn't quite sit right with me.

 

[Mesh Gear Fox]

Eh, I'm gay but masculine in appearance and mannerisms. People only know I'm a homo because I tell them.

 

[DOGFARM]

What a great topic to come across. I like to discuss the community itself and its flaws.
A big issue at the moment with the LGBT community is the fggots coming to the defense of the pedophiles. I don't think people understand what "open-minded" truly is. Open minded doesn't mean we let kid diddlers into our spaces. (((MAPS))) and (((pedosexuals?))) Remember this? The LGBT community itself is packed to the brim with confused gen X and millennial individuals. (I also personally believe people are becoming gay because of several external influences...but that is just me.)
Insecure young kids are easy to prey on. The LGBT community is nonce central.
Also, LGBT community promotes a narrative that gay people cannot have political or social views different than others. Gay people are shamed out of the community if they happen to be right winged.
Saying this as a chick that had her first crush on another chick, and is currently dating a dude. Fuck the LGBT community and everything it stands for.

 

[PorcupineTree]

What a great topic to come across. I like to discuss the community itself and its flaws.
A big issue at the moment with the LGBT community is the fggots coming to the defense of the pedophiles. I don't think people understand what "open-minded" truly is. Open minded doesn't mean we let kid diddlers into our spaces. (((MAPS))) and (((pedosexuals?))) Remember this? The LGBT community itself is packed to the brim with confused gen X and millennial individuals. (I also personally believe people are becoming gay because of several external influences...but that is just me.)
Insecure young kids are easy to prey on. The LGBT community is nonce central.
Also, LGBT community promotes a narrative that gay people cannot have political or social views different than others. Gay people are shamed out of the community if they happen to be right winged.
Saying this as a chick that had her first crush on another chick, and is currently dating a dude. Fuck the LGBT community and everything it stands for.

You’re hitting the nail on the head with a lot of these points. It looks like we have a centralized “community” with a voice, when in reality it seems that the face of LGBT people has become a scattered group of loud SJWs who will apply the identity of as many minorities as possible to themselves for oppression points.

To be honest, I’m not sure how many people in the “LGBT” category are actually queer/trans, and how many are just in it to use pity points as a free pass to act exceptional. Pedophiles included. It’s impossible to have a discussion about it in those circles because the mentality is so polarized that anyone who questions extreme left opinions is automatically considered a right wing shitlord.

 

[Next Task]

It happens both ways: where gay men and women start to adopt stereotypical (and often offensive) traits that they perceive in the opposite sex.

There's often a rubberband effect when someone comes out, which I think comes from a combination of the freedom from the closet and often the first steps into gay/lesbian culture. Newly out people will become more stereotypical for a little bit before settling back into where they really are. I wouldn't call it sexism, just the usual 'figuring your shit out' stuff that comes with the territory.

To be honest, I’m not sure how many people in the “LGBT” category are actually queer/trans, and how many are just in it to use pity points as a free pass to act exceptional.

The numbers are definitely skewed by places like Tumblr and groups like the Rat King, but there is definitely a contingent of people who identify as 'queer' when they are probably 99% straight/cis simply for the victimhood, for the right to talk about gay issues (and talk over gay people) 'as a member of the community', and/or the special snowflake status. Moreso online because they don't really have to walk the walk.

So there's an infection of people who are, say, straight women who kissed a girl once and think that makes them 'queer' (because bisexual is transphobic or something) and therefore they can talk shit about gay men and get angry at lesbians for not doing things the way they want because they're part of the acronym. It also can be why some bi people get shit, because of trenders who claim to be bi but live their lives entirely straight, and still wanting the right to police 'the community'.

I think it's telling that of the many lesbians I knew in college, only one is still dating women.

 

[Manah]

So there's an infection of people who are, say, straight women who kissed a girl once and think that makes them 'queer' (because bisexual is transphobic or something) and therefore they can talk shit about gay men and get angry at lesbians for not doing things the way they want because they're part of the acronym. It also can be why some bi people get shit, because of trenders who claim to be bi but live their lives entirely straight, and still wanting the right to police 'the community'.

I think it's telling that of the many lesbians I knew in college, only one is still dating women.

I don't know if it's much of a thing anymore, but there was definitely a point where "being bisexual" was trendy.

 

[PT 522]

Oh yeet I missed a lot. Rate me late if you want but

Tumblr probably. Hell there's a girl at the school I go to who was rather vocal about being a lesbian last year but I stumbled across a selfie of her today and lo and behold she's apparently a trans man now (pre-everything, of course). Which I personally don't get because in my humble transsexual opinion if you didn't know something was wrong when puberty started, and even self-identified as a woman who likes women at one point(!), how the hell did your brain reach the conclusion you want to grow old as a man? I dunno, I guess I'm just bitter and jaded after all these years of dealing with people saying you don't need dysphoria to be trans.

Idk there's a lot of factors why someone might not come out right away. Like their environment or just not knowing much about LGBT stuff. I was always bisexual, though, so it's very fishy to me for someone who calls themselves a lesbian to come out as trans, especially if they were a very proud lesbian.

There's often a rubberband effect when someone comes out, which I think comes from a combination of the freedom from the closet and often the first steps into gay/lesbian culture. Newly out people will become more stereotypical for a little bit before settling back into where they really are. I wouldn't call it sexism, just the usual 'figuring your shit out' stuff that comes with the territory.

I had a friend once that was a borderline stereotypical feminine gay man, down to the lisp, but he had been out since I think middle school, so for a good amount of time by then.
He also hated other gay men to the point where it was worrying, so he may be an outlier.

I don't know if it's much of a thing anymore, but there was definitely a point where "being bisexual" was trendy.

The trend now is being everything except a lesbian, who seem to be getting the boot out from most things now (am I the only one who noticed this?)

 

[Silence of the Troons]

I don't know if it's much of a thing anymore, but there was definitely a point where "being bisexual" was trendy.

I don't think they're as common anymore, but they definitely still exist. It's mostly heterosexual women who think that finding some women beautiful means they're same-sex attracted (despite the fact that they would NEVER want to be in a relationship with a woman!).

The trend now is being everything except a lesbian, who seem to be getting the boot out from most things now (am I the only one who noticed this?)

Not really, but it's pretty popular to be a "lesbian" (AKA a heterosexual man larping as a woman or a heterosexual – sometimes bisexual – woman who's in a relationship with a trans woman), and/or "queer" (AKA a heterosexual who wants to join the LGBTQIAXBSNF club).

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

The trend now is being everything except a lesbian, who seem to be getting the boot out from most things now (am I the only one who noticed this?)

It really depends on which part of the community you're looking at. Younger people aren't directly dealing with the political lesbian vs. troon infighting as much, and there's this whole "smol soft sapphic wlw" niche now. I think Hayley Kiyoko might be the first mainstream celeb to successfully use lesbianism as a gimmick to attract teen girls instead of straight men.

 

[Durenduren]

Two things that'll get you hated in the community; talking about masculinity in a positive way and talking about drag queens in a positive way.

 

[PT 522]

Two things that'll get you hated in the community; talking about masculinity in a positive way and talking about drag queens in a positive way.

Don't forget not wanting to date a trans person while being gay

 

[exhausted]

Don't forget not wanting to date a tranny while being a faggot

or being anything other than extremely left politically