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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[QI 541]

They're prisoners, the whole reason they're there is because they committed a crime. Why the hell do we care about their "Dignity and respect"? They're fed, housed and contained. That's what a prison's supposed to do, and bars contain them just fine.

Someday they will repeal the first amendment and people like you will go to prison and the irony will be funny.

 

[RP 520]

Someday they will repeal the first amendment and people like you will go to prison and the irony will be funny.

My salt shaker was getting a little low, thanks for filling it up for me.

 

[Rokko]

They shouldnt have windows I read.
I am all for treating prisoners relatively well. The penalty is revoking freedom. Not getting thrown in a hole and forgotten.
All the "make their time hell and they wont come back" failed. There has to be rehabilitation, and if you release a totally broken person thats not possible.

 

[dunbrine47]

Meh, if they wanted to say current and woke they would be pushing for WALLLESS Prisons.

 

[Null]

I don't see the point of prisons in the UK when the entire island is essentially one big garbage dump God uses to hide his unwanted children.

 

[CWCissey]

I don't see the point of prisons in the UK when the entire island is essentially one big garbage dump God uses to hide his unwanted children.

I thought that was Africa?

 

[FierceBrosnan]

I thought that was Africa?

In a few decades it'll be the same thing.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

But ex-prisoner turned charity worker and author, Leroy Smith, described the changes as "a pointless gesture" - adding that prisoners needed better education and training.

"Otherwise nothing is going to change," he said.

You need to give us lots of free stuff for the mistakes we've made.

There, prisoners are referred to as men, housed in communities rather than blocks, and locked up in "rooms" rather than cells.

God, this is gay. A rose by any other name is still a fucking rose.

 

[Dan Abrams]

We have to make jail comfortable for the Muslim rapists who somehow did receive a sentence for their crimes.

 

[Mender Bug]

But ex-prisoner turned charity worker and author, Leroy Smith, described the changes as "a pointless gesture" - adding that prisoners needed better education and training

This guy hits it on the nail. The problem is that prisoners aren't being reintegrated back into society after their punishment is over

 

[ICametoLurk]

 

[Absolutego]

I thought that was Africa?

Africa is where God puts his mistakes, the UK is where he hides his embarrassments.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Actully while kinda pointless I’m for it. Generally if we are going to release prisoners then it would be good for everybody that prisons would be as much like outside society as reasonable possible. One of the biggest reasons that released inmates get back in crime is that outside is too different what they have been living. It’s been proven in many studies that prisons that are “nicer” as in more like normal living with activities like sports and video games than cliche prison prisons have way lower recommitment rate. I know this might feel wrong as those prisons can be nicer than someone’s homes but that just seems to work if we want to prevent future crime.

 

[Wallace]

But ex-prisoner turned charity worker and author, Leroy Smith, described the changes as "a pointless gesture" - adding that prisoners needed better education and training.

"Otherwise nothing is going to change," he said.

Ideally, prisons would be places of rehabilitation, where criminals can be trained and educated to become productive members of society. Of course, we hardly live in an ideal society, and some people can't--or won't--be rehabilitated. As nice as it would be, the cost of such makes it unpalatable to most people. Empty gestures like this strike a balance between satisfying liberal values while not costing too much.

 

[Nobunaga]

Ideally, prisons would be places of rehabilitation, where criminals can be trained and educated to become productive members of society. Of course, we hardly live in an ideal society, and some people can't--or won't--be rehabilitated. As nice as it would be, the cost of such makes it unpalatable to most people. Empty gestures like this strike a balance between satisfying liberal values while not costing too much.

So why not have 2 types of prisons, the ones were you try to rehabilitate the prisioners and the other were you throw people that refuse to change

 

[usernames can change now!]

As always a good engineering idea gets dressed up in social justice trappings when it really has nothing to do with it. This is about contraband. You can't slip cocaine and knives through a solid sheet of plexiglass, but they"ll fit between bars just fine.

 

[Cosmos]

They shouldnt have windows I read.
I am all for treating prisoners relatively well. The penalty is revoking freedom. Not getting thrown in a hole and forgotten.
All the "make their time hell and they wont come back" failed. There has to be rehabilitation, and if you release a totally broken person thats not possible.

Thank you for saying this, holy fuck. Study after study shows that our current “tough on criminals” stance isn’t working. Countries that focus more on rehabilitation have much lower crime rates and rates of recidivism. Do I think prisoners should be given 5-star treatment? No, they’re still criminals and don’t deserve to be pampered. But I also don’t think they deserve to live in fear in a hellhole filled with gangs, rape, and abuse where they can’t even look out windows.

There are criminals that are just rotten to the core and can’t be redeemed, but I firmly believe that most offenders (especially ones that aren’t very violent) can be rehabilitated. But you can’t rehabilitate people very well in our current prison system. Is it really a surprise when people reoffend when we haven’t taught them and helped them get back on the right track?

 

[repentance]

They're prisoners, the whole reason they're there is because they committed a crime. Why the hell do we care about their "Dignity and respect"? They're fed, housed and contained. That's what a prison's supposed to do, and bars contain them just fine.

This often comes up in coroner's reports into deaths in custody here and the short answers are that 1) the vast majority of prisoners will be released at some future time and how well they integrate back into mainstream society will be influenced to some degree by what happens during their time in prison and 2) people are sent to prison as punishment, not for punishment.

Trends in criminal justice and corrections change over time. There are periods where most of the emphasis is on rehabilitation and reintegration and other periods where it's more on retribution and restraint. The prevailing policies at any given time are always an experiment in terms of long term outcomes.

So why not have 2 types of prisons, the ones were you try to rehabilitate the prisioners and the other were you throw people that refuse to change

A lot of countries have supermax prisons for those who refuse to change. The problem with this arises when corrections systems start using supermax as a punishment for minor infractions.

 

[KobaCuppa]

a little less Camp Cupcake, a little more US penitentiary - Leavenworth style.

 

[Wallace]

Thank you for saying this, holy fuck. Study after study shows that our current “tough on criminals” stance isn’t working. Countries that focus more on rehabilitation have much lower crime rates and rates of recidivism. Do I think prisoners should be given 5-star treatment? No, they’re still criminals and don’t deserve to be pampered. But I also don’t think they deserve to live in fear in a hellhole filled with gangs, rape, and abuse where they can’t even look out windows.

There are criminals that are just rotten to the core and can’t be redeemed, but I firmly believe that most offenders (especially ones that aren’t very violent) can be rehabilitated. But you can’t rehabilitate people very well in our current prison system. Is it really a surprise when people reoffend when we haven’t taught them and helped them get back on the right track?

Recidivism also needs to be addressed outside of prison. When a criminal record disqualifies you from anything but the worst jobs, it's another incentive to stay a criminal.