The Myth of Modern-Day White Supremacy - Or: why modern leftists never use the term "white supremacist" in good faith

[Iwasamwillbe]

James Allsup basically explains that when leftists talk about White Supremacy, they are actually talking about Western civilization itself.

Your thoughts on this?

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Obviously the left overuses the white supremacist card, but saying they don’t exist at all is fucking exceptional

 

[AF 802]

It's true honestly. Real white supremacy, and I mean the white identity, AltRight.com bullshit is mostly said by obese NEETs who punch their mom every time they don't get hunny mussy with their tendies, and that's only a small fraction of right-wingers. Most right wingers don't give a rat's ass about who you are, they just don't want you to act retarded around them.

 

[Jozef]

When white supremacy means anything from "smiling" to "keeping your yard tidy", then it IS everywhere. Some of the less stupid leftists realize that simply saying "I hate white people because blah blah" makes them look bad, so they throw around words like "racist" and "white supremacy" to try and justify it. When people say "white supremacy is everywhere", it really just means "white people are everywhere and I hate them". Leftists like to think hate is everywhere, but they're actually the ones who are the most hateful, and the fact that they can get away with anything, while you can't even defend yourself without being called a nazi is aggravating.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Anybody who thinks real white supremacy has any power in the US is an idiot. That's why they have to conflate it with anything, to make a boogeyman.

 

[Judge Holden]

Ok chaps I feel there is a bit of a miscommunication at play here

I dont think the conceit of the video and OP's point was...

"white supremacists are just a made up SJW lie"

...but more along the lines of....

"the White Supremecy in law/media/culture/sports/politics/science/linguistics/mathematics(?!) or whatever that is endlessly shrieked about by the woke rabble is in actuality just surface level cosmetic/aesthetic reflections of the fact that western civilisation was so successful and that white people are the vast majority of the population in western nations, and there is zero actual race supremacy or discrimination at play in any meaningful way"

 

[Slap47]

White supremacy and white nationalism exists.

What is wrong is the immediate assumption that it is violent when no other ethnic nationalism gets that treatment.

 

[JektheDumbass]

White Nationalism is stupid, I'm not the same race as a greasy Swede or a barbaric German or disgusting Frank. The idea that all of Europe is the same is retarded.

Black nationalism is different because of two reasons: most black people don't even know their fathers let alone country of origin, and the countries they come from are literally barbaric in ways Western people can't comprehend. Being a black American is literally the closest thing to a national identity they have. Still stupid, but stupid in different ways.

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[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

When white supremacy means anything from "smiling" to "keeping your yard tidy", then it IS everywhere. Some of the less stupid leftists realize that simply saying "I hate white people because blah blah" makes them look bad, so they throw around words like "racist" and "white supremacy" to try and justify it. When people say "white supremacy is everywhere", it really just means "white people are everywhere and I hate them". Leftists like to think hate is everywhere, but they're actually the ones who are the most hateful, and the fact that they can get away with anything, while you can't even defend yourself without being called a nazi is aggravating.

You forgot to add revving a car engine in a racist manner.

 

[Borzoi]

Leftists like to think hate is everywhere, but they're actually the ones who are the most hateful, and the fact that they can get away with anything, while you can't even defend yourself without being called a nazi is aggravating.

What is so retarded about this is the fact that you don't even have to be white to be considered a white supremacist to these people, you just have to disagree with their opinions. Even when you tell them you aren't white they don't give a shit.

 

[Lemmingwise]

James Allsup basically explains that when leftists talk about White Supremacy, they are actually talking about Western civilization itself.

It's roughly true. Leftists are irresponsable and don't deal with clearcut definitions, which means that all meanings blur together of what they consider bad. Western civilization, patriarchy, white supremacy, racism, homophobe, islamophobe, masculinity, gender binary, it all gets thrown onto one pile to be "deconstructed" and that's how they make the fatal flaw of even calling the most milquetoast right or wrong left white supremacist nazi hitlerites and thus pushing more people right. Some have begun to learn from this mistake and have become more careful, many have not yet learned this.

Now there are also advantages to being that irresponsible and loose with definitions because it gives creativity and impunity of running smear campaigns. I think as long as the left picks the most (politically) dangerous targets well, it will work well. Right now it's too scattergun mode and only serves to rile up people. I don't particularly look forward to the left learning to pick its targets better, but everyone learns from their mistakes.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

White Nationalism is stupid, I'm not the same race as a greasy Swede or a barbaric German or disgusting Frank. The idea that all of Europe is the same is exceptional.

Black nationalism is different because of two reasons: most black people don't even know their fathers let alone country of origin, and the countries they come from are literally barbaric in ways Western people can't comprehend. Being a black American is literally the closest thing to a national identity they have. Still stupid, but stupid in different ways.

Edits made for clarity and to correct spelling errors

There are massive cultural divides between the Zulu, Mali, and Yoruba, and you've been reading /pol/ too much.

 

[Kyria the Great]

There are massive cultural divides between the Zulu, Mali, and Yoruba, and you've been reading /pol/ too much.

Well you are right, so right that both /POL/locks and Libtards don't see the difference between cultures of people of similar skin tones which leads to conflict and violence. I don't know when people will learn that culture triumphs over race and that what you need to prevent is multiculturalism as it doesn't work, won't work, and will never work and the only way it is kept together is through the force of violence alone.

 

[The best and greatest]

James Allsup basically explains that when leftists talk about White Supremacy, they are actually talking about Western civilization itself.

Your thoughts on this?

I think its pretty easy to make whatever kind of point you want out of memes and article title cut-outs while mostly only going into broad generalities about "The left." Just sprinkle the word "Lib-cuck" in every other minute for inflammatory effect and you have perfect political wank-bait.

Edit: also White supremacy is the state of whites being supreme. It's not a belief in anything. It isn't an "Ism" as the video-maker incorrectly asserts but rather a state of being. What the video-maker probably means when he talks about "Belief in supremacy" is Racism which came about as an ad-hoc justification for why Anglo-Whites were supreme in the first place, not the other way 'round.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I think its pretty easy to make whatever kind of point you want out of memes and article title cut-outs while mostly only going into broad generalities about "The left." Just sprinkle the word "Lib-cuck" in every other minute for inflammatory effect and you have perfect political wank-bait.

Edit: also White supremacy is the state of whites being supreme. It's not a belief in anything. It isn't an "Ism" as the video-maker incorrectly asserts but rather a state of being. What the video-maker probably means when he talks about "Belief in supremacy" is Racism which came about as an ad-hoc justification for why Anglo-Whites were supreme in the first place, not the other way 'round.

I've seen this violent teleportation of the goalposts before in this discussion. No, you're not retroactively changing the definition of a phrase on me, fuck you.

"White supremacy" is very much referring to the belief structure of "White supremacists". Nobody uses it earnestly in any other context. The only reason people say "White supremacy" when they mean "Majority White" is to confuse the issue and make it sound more sinister than it is.

No, you can't pretend it's not deliberately inflammatory and trying to suggest white people are being racist, and think white people are better. Quit the fucking word games, and say what you mean.

 

[The best and greatest]

I've seen this violent teleportation of the goalposts before in this discussion. No, you're not retroactively changing the definition of a phrase on me, fuck you.

"White supremacy" is very much referring to the belief structure of "White supremacists". Nobody uses it earnestly in any other context. The only reason people say "White supremacy" when they mean "Majority White" is to confuse the issue and make it sound more sinister than it is.

No, you can't pretend it's not deliberately inflammatory and trying to suggest white people are being racist, and think white people are better. Quit the fucking word games, and say what you mean.

Woah okay calm down. I'm not retroactively changing anything. That's what it means to be Supreme, to be in a state of Supremacy. White supremacy isn't a belief in itself that makes no sense. Its not about "Thinking we're better" its about "Being actually better" So if we lived in a time where whites and blacks lived by separate laws that would be white supremacy and racism(The belief that people can/ought be hierarchically arranged/stratified according to their racial classification) would be the ideology by which white supremacy was upheld.

The good news is I'm not someone who thinks we still live under this system and we haven't for a long time, so cool your jets.

Edit: Also not sure about you but in my world people who call other people "Lib-cuck" are just trying to get people's engines going. Which is sort of the whole idea of being inflammatory, no?

 

[Chexxchunk]

White nationalists eventually have to address the countless wars "whites" fought (and won) against themselves trying to stop "white" nationalism. That's a hell of sunk cost. In fact, I think it's the kind of Oedipal realization that would lead someone to shriek in despair and gouge their own eyes out rather than confront it. So, in sum, it's a fucked cause.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Progressives love to use (and the notion of) Umbrella terms because they're just too tribalist and absolutist to understand that most people aren't. In my Internet experience, i've seen different groups that are all together considered "white supremacists"

• White people who are proud of their culture that happens to be white.
• White people who are proud of their culture BECAUSE is white
• White people don't care about their culture but acknowledge that life is better in Western countries that happen to be white
• White people don't care about their culture but acknowledge that life is better in Western countries BECAUSE those are white
• White people who believe to be themselves better than others because they're white.
• White people who believe to be themselves better than others because they live in white countries.

There are also those who believe white people are better because white people have worked hard for it while others believe they're better because being white makes you better. I know those exist, but I've never seen more than a few shitposts and I'm not even sure if they're completely serious about it. The numbers of people who are actually white supremacists, as in they believe white people are better only based on the fact they're genetically superior than blacks is in fact as low as an Afric... very low.

 

[Jeremy Galt]

People say "White Supremacist" as if it were a bad thing, just calling someone Racist is a bad thing. I disagree. It's just normal reality, otherwise why do people of diverse colors, nationalities, races always tend to live with others similar to them.

To this I would like to add proof that Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the White and Black races–that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and Black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race. . . I give. . . the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last, stand by the law of the State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.”

Abraham Lincoln (Fourth Debate with Stephen Douglas at Charleston, Illinois on September 18, 1858, Vol. III, p. 145-146 of The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln).

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

People say "White Supremacist" as if it were a bad thing, just calling someone Racist is a bad thing. I disagree. It's just normal reality, otherwise why do people of diverse colors, nationalities, races always tend to live with others similar to them.

To this I would like to add proof that Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the White and Black races–that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and Black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race. . . I give. . . the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last, stand by the law of the State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.”

Abraham Lincoln (Fourth Debate with Stephen Douglas at Charleston, Illinois on September 18, 1858, Vol. III, p. 145-146 of The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln).

Not only was Abe Lincoln a white supremacist, he was a racist. I'm not going to say he's a horrible person because of that, because frankly that was what most people believed at the time. He was wrong, in my opinion, of course.

'White Supremacy' means believing white people are better than nonwhite people. I realize you can say "White Supremacy" meaning something else, but you must realize there's a commonly attached meaning to that term, and it's not "White people have it better". What is happening is race obsessed SJW types who have been screaming that everyone is a white supremacist, meaning "racist who thinks white people are better", are trying to backpedal and say "No no no, I wasn't calling half the country a basket of deplorable racists, I was just noticing most of you are white, that's all!"

If you want to talk about something that shares a name with a different thing, and is most commonly used to refer to that other thing, you really need to make it clear right at the beginning that's what you're saying.

For example, I believe in what I would consider to be "Social Justice", which I consider things like getting justice for Nick Sandmann for being viciously slandered by the media. But I wouldn't just go into a place and call myself a social justice warrior, and just expect people to know that I mean my definition, not the usual one. Unless I was just trying to troll. Then I'd say "Hey guys I'm a social justice warrior and I don't get why you guys hate them so much", then 10 pages later, after being told all the reasons people hate SJWs you say "Haha I don't get why people assume I meant the usual definition, I meant my own definition, obviously everyone should have known that. I guess you guys must really like witch trials .