Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[waffle]

Every production still I see from Discovery looks like it's for a Sci-Fi Channel original from 2002. Why do Klingons look like generic space monsters now? Why do the sets look like they were made for a student film production? Why does the costume department binge watch the Riddick Movies before work every morning?

 

[XYZpdq]

I've come to enjoy Neelix for his shitposty Mr Vulcan! Type stuff.

 

[Stoneheart]

Every production still I see from Discovery looks like it's for a Sci-Fi Channel original from 2002. Why do Klingons look like generic space monsters now? Why do the sets look like they were made for a student film production? Why does the costume department binge watch the Riddick Movies before work every morning?

Its starts with the Intro, its Sooo fuckn generic...

 

[Tookie]

Rewatching some Voyager. The premiere was one of the more promising out of the series, they really shit the bed when it came to making use of the Maquis and Paris going forward.

 

[Flexo]

Its starts with the Intro, its Sooo fuckn generic...

When you can replace it with another theme and it works just as well (if not better) that's like the definition of generic.

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

Its starts with the Intro, its Sooo fuckn generic...

Every time I listen to that I want to scream in 'Ohio!' at the end in Drew Carey's voice. I feel that way about most everything TV show theme song though. I have long wanted to start a Youtube channel dedicated to tacking that on to every show's theme.

 

[ure_mum]

What I still don't get is why STD has to be so damn edgy. I get that everyone and their mother is trying to ape off of current day GoT, which looks like a miserable gray mess nowadays, but you could stick out so much more if you actually made the continuation (well, unnecessary prequel) of your famously positive franchise actually hopeful and you know, not edgy.

 

[Flexo]

What I still don't get is why STD has to be so damn edgy. I get that everyone and their mother is trying to ape off of current day GoT, which looks like a miserable gray mess nowadays, but you could stick out so much more if you actually made the continuation (well, unnecessary prequel) of your famously positive franchise actually hopeful and you know, not edgy.

I think they want to be like DS9 which was the edgy, unliked one in the beginning but has gone on to stand the test of time and proved itself to be a favorite.

But like all imitations it only copies the surface details of what made DS9 work and never grasps the soul or essence of the success.

It's literally cargo-culting we'll build the appearance of an airport without ever understanding the core underneath it all.

 

[Lackadaisy]

is neelix a cat

I always thought he was a giraffe.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

Who ever thought this was a good idea should be fired into the Sun. https://www.facebook.com/StarTrek/videos/544141186098858/

 

[Doc Cassidy]

Sisko is without a doubt the best captain and people need to understand that.

Why don't people recognize this fact? Well, let's go ahead and address the elephant in the room, the big issue that prevents everyone from acknowledging how great he is. Yes, he's black, I get it. I also had a huge problem with this at first but I found a solution. Remember in the first episode it showed him being attacked on that starship where Jennifer died? I just pretend that he was burnt really badly during that attack. His skin isn't dark because he's black but because he's burned. If you make that part of your headcanon it makes it much easier to like him.

With that out of the way, let me explain why Sisko is the best captain. Remember that time Picard got fooled by the Romulans and made to look like a dumbass? Not only did Sisko never get fooled by the Romulans he himself fooled them and tricked them into joining a war on the Federation's side. It was pure subterfuge that Captain Picard (more like Captain Retard) could never dream of pulling off. He had a Romulan senator assassinated then pinned it on the Dominion holy shit! The Romulans made Picard their bitch and Sisko made the Romulans his bitch therefore Sisko ipso facto made Picard his bitch.

Remember that time Picard had an opportunity to wipe out the entire Borg and pussied out? LAME! Sisko would have been like Hell Yeah and defeated the Borg forever saving billions or even trillions of lives throughout the galaxy. Entire planets were destroyed and whole species of intelligent life wiped out because Picard was too much of a little faggot bitch boy to do what needed to be done. Never would have happened if Sisko was in command.

"Well, yeah, all of that is true but Sisko wasn't even a Captain at first just a commander! Checkmate!" Wrong. That's just yet another example of why Sisko is better. He didn't even want to be in Starfleet and was going to leave so they sent him to some backwater piece of shit space station to finish out the rest of his commission but he still ended up being the best captain ever!

Picard spent his entire life devoting himself to Starfleet but still managed to look like a loser compared to some random disgruntled slack-off sitting on his ass all day in Bajoran space.

I win, Sisko is is the best and I just proved it. Suck it down bitches.

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

I think they want to be like DS9 which was the edgy, unliked one in the beginning but has gone on to stand the test of time and proved itself to be a favorite.

But like all imitations it only copies the surface details of what made DS9 work and never grasps the soul or essence of the success.

It's literally cargo-culting we'll build the appearance of an airport without ever understanding the core underneath it all.

If they took inspiration from DS9, which I doubt (Or at least, I doubt they ever watched it), they failed to realize that DS9's occasional subversion of typical Star Fleet procedure only worked because they still existed in a universe where they mattered and appeared shocking.

Sisko's actions in In The Pale Moonlight only mean anything because he's shown himself to be morally upstanding beforehand and it's a shock when his morals are put to the limit and he gives in, possibly for the greater good, but still at the cost of allowing something evil to happen.

Discovery...it's just all edgy, no context to make us give a damn about it beyond edge. It's not shocking anymore, so why should we care. Why should we even like the Federation, everyone in them sucks; actually the whole galaxy seems to suck, why care?

 

[Tookie]

If they took inspiration from DS9, which I doubt (Or at least, I doubt they ever watched it), they failed to realize that DS9's occasional subversion of typical Star Fleet procedure only worked because they still existed in a universe where they mattered and appeared shocking.

This was the problem with the Abrams films for me, especially Into Darkness. Alt-Starfleet appeared to be a hyper-military with giant warships and Spock calling people "mother fucker." Was Peter Weller mounting a coup and trying to blow everything up even an out-of-the-ordinary event?

 

[A Useless Fish]

Not sure if anyone else has posted this, but I found this really interesting little video clip of an interview with Leonard Nimoy, discussing Star Trekin the sixties. The thumbnail is right, he does explain why Disco ain't Trek. Also, I had no idea it was Nimoy that invented the Vulcan nerve pinch!

 

[Flexo]

If they took inspiration from DS9, which I doubt (Or at least, I doubt they ever watched it), they failed to realize that DS9's occasional subversion of typical Star Fleet procedure only worked because they still existed in a universe where they mattered and appeared shocking.

Sisko's actions in In The Pale Moonlight only mean anything because he's shown himself to be morally upstanding beforehand and it's a shock when his morals are put to the limit and he gives in, possibly for the greater good, but still at the cost of allowing something evil to happen.

Discovery...it's just all edgy, no context to make us give a damn about it beyond edge. It's not shocking anymore, so why should we care. Why should we even like the Federation, everyone in them sucks; actually the whole galaxy seems to suck, why care?

Of course but you know how these types are. They never have to have actually seen something to judge it and "totally understand" it. (those are sarcasm quotes)

But that's exactly what I'm meaning. The folks running star trek now don't get that while DS9 kicking ass in space battles was the icing, the cake of what made it work was that we cared about the people involved and wanted Sisko & co to win and survive. With Mikey-Spock most of us are rooting for the Klingons to win and kill them all already.

Not sure if anyone else has posted this, but I found this really interesting little video clip of an interview with Leonard Nimoy, discussing Star Trekin the sixties. The thumbnail is right, he does explain why Disco ain't Trek. Also, I had no idea it was Nimoy that invented the Vulcan nerve pinch!

Yeah I had heard about the nerve pinch. That makes him the master.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Sisko is without a doubt the best captain and people need to understand that.

The best captain is the captain best suited to achieve Starfleet's goals and objectives in a given situation.

 

[gobbogobb]

The best captain is the captain best suited to achieve Starfleet's goals and objectives in a given situation.

Yeah we already said Sisko is the best, no need to repeat it.

 

[Miller]

Also, I had no idea it was Nimoy that invented the Vulcan nerve pinch!

Yep he created the nerve pinch and the vulcan salute.

I think they want to be like DS9

Speaking about that, there was an interview on ComicBook(dot)com with Kurtzman saying that he learned from the mistakes made by DS9 and VOY and the second season would reflect that. According to him, the two shows looked the same.

 

[XYZpdq]

This was the problem with the Abrams films for me, especially Into Darkness. Alt-Starfleet appeared to be a hyper-military with giant warships and Spock calling people "mother fucker." Was Peter Weller mounting a coup and trying to blow everything up even an out-of-the-ordinary event?

To be fair Evil Admirals is a normal thing for Starfleet, and Buckaroo Banzai tried to take over the Earth in Enterprise, too.

Yep he created the nerve pinch and the vulcan salute.

iirc the salute is some jew thing he saw the rabbi do at temple during services or something

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

The acoustics in there must be interesting. Their heating bill is probably insane. Look at all those sharp edges: a little turbulence and somebody is going to get brained. Everything about that bridge speaks to a waste of space. From that tall ceiling, to those huge desk arms, the back-swept stations where important characters are manned - such a waste of space! It looks like the setup from a live electronic music show. If the bridge is only set up to man 5 people, why so cavernous? Why must they always put so little thought into everything?

Shouldn't augmentoid there tie her hair back so she can see what she's doing?

Who ever thought this was a good idea should be fired into the Sun. https://www.facebook.com/StarTrek/videos/544141186098858/

Such a terrible cast. With them being professional performers I was expecting at least they'd be able to sing well. How lame.