Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[verissimus]

...so there's literally a place jackass trolls can go to get paid to be a jackass troll online?

 

[damian]

Okay I had it explained to me in more detail, I'll try to make it sound less autistic. Basically Kwanzer works for a company that engages in counter crisis PR, mainly social media backlash. REEEEEEn, in her interview with Kevin Logan said she was a professional "troll" and SJWSpiderman is online stalking every single move that YaBoi makes on YT at all times of the day.

The conspiracy is that Marvel may have hired this company to kill of CG. Also included in the thing that were sent to me was an article about how exactly this company engages in their counter-crisis PR, mainly through targeted harassment. Kwanzer working for this company might also signal how REEEEEEn and SJW Spider-man came into Autism War II, since no one had heard of them until just well into year 2 of CG.

But it's not anything to new to the CG spergs, labeling people nazis for making a joke cover (*wink* Sandwich Boy *wink*), calling minorities in CG either fakes (*wink*Alex de Campi *wink*) or Uncle Toms (*wink* Kwanzer *wink*), coordinating smears on then no-name YTbers, threats of violence and so on.

Another angle is Kwanza Osayjefo's relationship with Mark Waid. Waid hired Kwanzer during his lawsuit with Yaboi and less than a month later KO tried to kill YaBoi's channel with his DMCA claims. There's reasonable doubt that Kwanzer might have been doing so on orders of Waid.

The only way I can sum this up is:

EDIT:
Save me Nick, your my only hope:

 

[Boss Bass]

Mark me on team “conspiracy theory”, because I refuse to believe anyone as sick as ren would not have their support network get them the help they so obviously need.

 

[AnOminous]

The conspiracy is that Marvel may have hired this company to kill of CG. Also included in the thing that were sent to me was an article about how exactly this company engages in their counter-crisis PR, mainly through targeted harassment. Kwanzer working for this company might also signal how REEEEEEn and SJW Spider-man came into Autism War II, since no one had heard of them until just well into year 2 of CG.

This is sounding really tinfoil to me. Why would anyone pay Ren? She's a raving bigot with a long history of homophobic slurs. Why would you associate your brand with a lunatic like that?

If they fired fucking Asterios Kokkinos and still have this retarded cunt on the payroll, they're a pretty bad PR firm.

 

[verissimus]

I just like to know why this company hasn't been inundated by people like of Kraut, Matt, Bronx Blogger, Ian, etc. if there's any truth to these allegations. I'm honestly curious (maybe even optimistic) how deep this rabbit hole goes.

 

[Least Concern]

Mark me on team “conspiracy theory”, because I refuse to believe anyone as sick as ren would not have their support network get them the help they so obviously need.

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree about it all being tinfoil hattery, though for different reasons. Maybe everything said about Firebell is real, but were a small group of YouTube spergs such a crisis for Marvel that they would feel the need to throw money at a program to discredit them? The same Marvel which now apparently cares little for its own properties outside of maintaining the IP for movies and TV shows? I just don't see it.

That being said, the conspiracy theory can be fun to entertain. What if the Jim Jeffries interview were the result of someone at Firebell calling in a favor, and they even paid off the SuperCuts stylist to give Meyer that Spencer haircut?

 

[Kosher Dill]

If you have to reach for "Maddox Was Right" to bolster your argument, you've already lost.
(EDIT: that's directed at the guy in the quote, just to be clear)

 

[NG 070]

... Cripes, maybe Bill Maher was right after all.

 

[TowinKarz]

Man, this is past the point of entertaining drama and is now just sad.

I'd give a fuck if this industry survives the next 10 years if it didn't seem to be nothing but autists nerd-raging that nobody liked their OCs, except they can send each other threats on professional letterhead with actual legit publisher names on them, not just angrily PM an art board mod.

How many resources are being burned right now to win an ultimately pointless fight? Whoever prevails, I hope they're happy that they'll be able to stand on a mile-high stack of burned comic books and smashed-beyond-repair printing presses and scream "I WON!" into an echoing wasteland where no one else is alive to hear it.

 

[One Man Bland]

You're missing the whole point of it being a tribute. It was a nothing layout barely recognizable as Ringo's work. S. Miller is a pro who's inked over Ringo before. He has the chops to do it justice, and felt it right to organically finish the piece as he saw fit. Nobody decrying this would seriously pay a premium or frame it for display as it was, so why not?

Except Miller didn't do it justice.

By his own admission, he made several rookie mistakes that completely fucked the perspective and background, making the whole thing look more like amateur, Liefeldian garbage. On top of that, by changing several the original from Spiderman to his Donut Steel, that not only took the life out of the sketch but don't even make sense in the new context. The original included several projectiles in the foreground and the baddie in the background firing several lasers to fill up some of the space and to give the sense that Spiderman's trapped with a more condensed pose. So what the fuck is Miller's version doing? His OC is surrounded by plenty of negative space and the background threat has been downgraded from a super-powered baddie with several lasers and razor-blades, so what the fuck is he jumping like that for? How is he jumping like that? What kind of pussy-ass superhero runs from a single seemingly non-superpowered guy with a gun when all background markers indicate the Donut Steel should have the upper hand? The aforementioned background issues only serve to highlight these problems as there's nothing in the foreground for the figure to interact with or feel like he's trying to avoid something other than the dinky muzzle flash that isn't even pointed at him.

Even if you didn't know the history behind this particular piece, you'd be hard pressed to find people who'd be willing to buy this cover as a standalone just for how un-special and ameteurish it looks now. The original Ringo sketch might not have been worth as much as an inked piece or a fully finished sketch, but there is still a market who enjoy the rough preliminary work of artists from either a sentimental or educational perspective - especially if they're deceased. It's not even valuable for the names attached to it since Miller is a former acquaintance at best who only worked with Ringo once before, so it's not like it's a piece made by someone who knew him well (someone even suggested to Miller that thicker lines were Ringo's preference since they look better with his style, and Miller blew them off) and the fact that Miller's thrown such a pissy fit over people criticizing this stupid decision tells me he didn't even give a shit about "doing Ringo justice" or even Ringo himself until he thought he could piggy-back off his name. And since Ringo's still living family told Miller to remove Ringo's signature that he slapped on that wasn't even on the original, it's lost most of its recognize-ability as a Ringo piece due to Miller's alterations.

As it stands, Miller's version is worth about as much as a print out of a screenshot from Bludshot the Hedgehog.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

The Female Furies book came out today. Expect to hear all comicsgate and anticomicsgate people ranting about it for the next week.

Its... bad.

Spoiler

 

[AnOminous]

And since Ringo's still living family told Miller to remove Ringo's signature that he slapped on that wasn't even on the original, it's lost most of its recognize-ability as a Ringo piece due to Miller's alterations.

The whole thing sounds pretty repugnant, like when that piece of shit Kenny G stole some Louis Armstrong vocals to put in one of his musical shitposts and acted like it was a posthumous collaboration. Everyone wanted to kill him.

 

[One Man Bland]

The Female Furies book came out today. Expect to hear all comicsgate and anticomicsgate people ranting about it for the next week.

Its... bad.

Spoiler

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Ah yes DC, tell us more how the tyrannical child abuser who grooms kidnapped orphans to be disposable soldiers to serve the whims of a war-mongering dictator is the REAL victim because pageants exist.

EDIT: wrong company, thanks @damian

 

[damian]

The Female Furies book came out today. Expect to hear all comicsgate and anticomicsgate people ranting about it for the next week.

Its... bad.

Spoiler

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What? Beauty pageants on Apokolypse? Is this supposed to be a parody/comedy book? I'm genuinely confused here.

You know what I'm in a good mood, I will just assume this is a parody/comedy book given how it basically doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Ah yes DC COMICS, tell us more how the tyrannical child abuser who grooms kidnapped orphans to be disposable soldiers to serve the whims of a war-mongering dictator is the REAL victim because pageants exist.

FIFY

 

[AnOminous]

FIFY

To be fair, DC is acting a lot more like Marvel lately, almost like they're on the verge of a "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

What? Beauty pageants on Apokolypse? Is this supposed to be a parody/comedy book? I'm genuinely confused here.

You know what I'm in a good mood, I will just assume this is a parody/comedy book given how it basically doesn't make any sense otherwise.

FIFY

This HAS to be parody. I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would've seriously written this. Any minute now this is going to end with Scott Free waking up in confusion, rubbing his head, and swearing off pizza at midnight.

 

[damian]

To be fair, DC is acting a lot more like Marvel lately, almost like they're on the verge of a "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

Them making these exceptional decisions after recruiting Bendis, Deconnick, G Willow Wilson, Robbi Rodriguez, Ramon Villalobos, etc... (or as I call them the Marvel Rats) does make it look like they infiltrated just to shit up DC.

 

[One Man Bland]

Them making these exceptional decisions after recruiting Bendis, Deconnick, G Willow Wilson, Robbi Rodriguez, Ramon Villalobos, etc... (or as I call them the Marvel Rats) does make it look like they infiltrated just to shit up DC.

Kinda reminds me of the phenomenon where people move to a new place because their current residence is garbage, push for changes to make this new place more like their old place, and then sit there wondering why the place they moved to has all the same problems.

Speaking of which, I’m still laughing at the sheer idiocy on display in trying to present The Furies as the most oppressed. What, was them being conscripted/brainwashed into military slavery & fighting to the death since birth/early childhood not good enough for you? It’s not even anything that could be portrayed as a reasonable gender-specific indignity that one could see Apokolips subjecting them to like wanting them to breed more soldiers or taking a page from Black Widow and having them be sterilized or something, it’s a god damn beauty pageant. How stupid do you have to be to look at a society where the vast majority of the residence - make and female alike - live in absolute squalor and think “You know what would show real oppression? Upper class warriors in a swimsuit competition.” I can only imagine how dumpy/insecure the well off feminist who wrote this must look in real life to make that their main concern.

I also can’t help but notice the underlying sexism on display regarding Granny Goodness. I remember in the interview a few pages back the author dismissed her overseeing the orphanage as “women’s work” but in the past she’s often been portrayed as Dark Sied’s second or third in command, and the title of orphanage is more a soothing phrase for the fact that she’s basically the general of an elite army that she personally trains. On top of that, the writer basically had to kneecap Granny’s character just to make this stupid TOPICAL COMMENTARY work since the cold, cruel military general who clawed her way to one of the most powerful positions in Apokolips she’s usually portrayed as like so doesn’t gel with a narrative where Granny meekly asks for Dark Sied’s permission to do anything.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Them making these exceptional decisions after recruiting Bendis, Deconnick, G Willow Wilson, Robbi Rodriguez, Ramon Villalobos, etc... (or as I call them the Marvel Rats) does make it look like they infiltrated just to shit up DC.

Once you let one in.....

“We all have a responsibility to make sure that we are advocates for more and more writers to come in to start changing the landscape. That’s what was done for me. I had no business being in comics, but someone encouraged my voice, and I hope to continue to do that with other writers.” Sana Amanat -Vogue Interview, 2018
https://www.vogue.com/projects/13541583/sana-amanat-vogue-american-women-marvel-comics/

To boldly admit your were hired for your race and gender by a thirsty VP and then admit that your raison d'etre isn't to sell comics but reshape the industry to match your world view by hiring other ideologues who have 'no business' in comics either.
Well what a surprise that a decade of hiring morons with no business in that business has managed to tank that business.

 

[RodgerDodger]

This is sounding really tinfoil to me. Why would anyone pay Ren? She's a raving bigot with a long history of homophobic slurs. Why would you associate your brand with a lunatic like that?

If they fired fucking Asterios Kokkinos and still have this exceptional cunt on the payroll, they're a pretty bad PR firm.

It seems really nutty. Although I have seen some PR firms do some truly insane things. This might be nothing, and likely is nothing. But I do wonder if it might be worth Mr. Meyer’s little old country Lawyers time to ask a few meaningful questions of Kwanzer and Lauren under the category of Discovery for the Waid lawsuit. They both inserted themselves into the matter to the extant that they seemingly could be reasonably named as witnesses for discovery. Remember Ren put herself forward as a witness to Waid’s Business activities in Texas and put herself with or in proximity to Waid at the time of his best known defamatory statements. And how Kwanzer fits in with being Waid’s employee while DMCA harassing Meyer makes him a reasonable target for some questions. The question of who they work for and what professional ties to the comic industry seems well within bounds. And if a chain of payment is discovered from Marvel to them via said shady PR firm? Well then Meyer just won the Marvel Jackpot.