Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[annoying]

But here's your answer regardless (bc I'm really trying to just have good faith that anyone can change), I honestly don't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know I'm speaking the truth, and that's all that matters to me. If you want to judge me on things I've actually done I welcome it.

also if you believe anyone can change, why are you starting here as opposed to with glip? do you talk indepth to glip in this way when they yell about people they dislike who are just trying to live their lives like pengo or crayonchewer?
did you step in when glip continued to accuse two separate people of lying and leading adults on when they claimed to be harassed by marl as minors?

without giving much away, i looked up to glip for a long time and they had no problem breaking my trust but they would immediately punish me if i ever messed up in any way
anyone i talked to didnt believe me because they were starstruck
i had to distance myself slowly and carefully from the people i cared about because it was really hurting me


...and this way that glip has been acting has been going on for years
yes, i do think some people take it too far, but the fact is still that glip has never truly made an effort to apologize to people who were hurt but they often require people to apologize to exuberant lengths before they even consider listening

i know glip can be charming, and funny, really charismatic and caring in their own way... i know that seeing that side of them is endearing

but the other side still exists and its the side most everyone else is forced to see
if you want things to change, then consider keeping an eye out for the warning signs around glip
how often people are cast out of their lives for mistakes that shouldnt have escalated to that point, how often people who are completely unrelated to each other have horror stories about them and eevee and marl, how often glips stories and explanations bend and change, how often they speak of being so positive but never actually show it

the truth is it's not like most people in this thread are very happy that glip is the way they are. its not fun knowing your idol turned out to have a whole morgue in their closet
if glip genuinely had a chat and improved and apologized and somehow did their best to right wrongs (as opposed to yelling at anyone who says anything in any way that isn't seen as positive) i'm sure many people here would stop caring as much as they do

but... thats not what glip does
they say they apologize but its always privately and under their own terms
they say they apologize but then take it back (ex: pengo and glip made posts about how their old posts are now irrelevant and both had misunderstandings... now glip and eevee make posts repeatedly vagueing pengo and how he was wrong about literally everything and how his retraction wasnt good enough and etc.)
they say they apologize but then its not even a genuine apology ("sorry you were hurt by what i said" types of things are not apologies.)

feel free to disagree because you said you don't care what we think (if you want us to "change" to be better and more positive and caring or whatever, then why are you so afraid of being caring towards us? "do as i say, not as i do" doesn't really apply here) but really

there's a problem here and yeah this site is nasty (most sites are honestly) but it doesn't really discredit the rest going on around glip

 

[Pancakes-ish]

point three: I think I would like to know what constitutes an appropriate apology. I know that sounds stupid, but just bare with me I promise im not asking out of bad faith. One thing Ive noticed here is that what is considered "a real apology" to me seems like a toss up (almost random), so I think having the details of what guides your judgement could help me understand what needs to be done a little better.

one thing that's been a running theme in glip's apologies is subtly offloading the blame onto the person or group being apologized to
it's rare for them to acknowledge that their work itself is problematic: often it's framed as people "finding" it problematic or reading things into it. little things like saying "this made people upset" (blame shifting) rather than "this thing was wrong/upsetting" make a big difference. sometimes, others' contributions are given some of the blame as well (such as implying it's so and so's fault for not finishing the planned ending to mismatch, or so and so's fault for commissioning the unpleasant work. i mean it's not like glip's hands moved on their own or they couldn't say, look for an entry level job instead of drawing simba stuffing things up his anus).
it's also hard to take these apologies seriously when they then go and say "btw i can't think of nothin' wrong with drawing and publishing cub porn/loli/shota", which at best looks like refusing to take a stance for fear of upsetting their fans who are into that stuff

 

[hoo boy]

feel free to disagree because you said you don't care what we think (if you want us to "change" to be better and more positive and caring or whatever, then why are you so afraid of being caring towards us? "do as i say, not as i do" doesn't really apply here) but really

Well said.

 

[Good Intentions]

also if you believe anyone can change, why are you starting here as opposed to with glip? do you talk indepth to glip in this way when they yell about people they dislike who are just trying to live their lives like pengo or crayonchewer?
did you step in when glip continued to accuse two separate people of lying and leading adults on when they claimed to be harassed by marl as minors?

...and this way that glip has been acting has been going on for years
yes, i do think some people take it too far, but the fact is still that glip has never truly made an effort to apologize to people who were hurt but they often require people to apologize to exuberant lengths before they even consider listening

the other side still exists and its the side most everyone else is forced to see
if you want things to change, then consider keeping an eye out for the warning signs around glip
how often people are cast out of their lives for mistakes that shouldnt have escalated to that point, how often people who are completely unrelated to each other have horror stories about them and eevee and marl, how often glips stories and explanations bend and change, how often they speak of being so positive but never actually show it

the truth is it's not like most people in this thread are very happy that glip is the way they are. its not fun knowing your idol turned out to have a whole morgue in their closet
if glip genuinely had a chat and improved and apologized and somehow did their best to right wrongs (as opposed to yelling at anyone who says anything in any way that isn't seen as positive) i'm sure many people here would stop caring as much as they do

yep, every time I've had an issue with glip ive brought it up with them and we worked it out over a period of days. I've seen with my own eyes them giving people who have done (in my eyes) horrible unforgivable things a second chance. And theres usually things that both of them have to own up to. And both of them do. I really have faith that things can get better. When I say "AnyoneCanChange" I mean glip too. I mean anyone.

If you list out things that you'd like to see addressed, and what you'd require for either an apology or what needs to be done in order to earn forgiveness. Then yeah, I'd bring it up to them. I have a guess that they have the same struggle I do in that its very hard to know what people want of them without specifics on what needs to be done. People make mistakes in their lives, Im pretty sure theyd agree theyve done a number of things they regret and would like to mend the damage of. Giving them a good start on ideas of how to fix things would probably help immensely to start seeing some actual change. And hey, even if you dont believe it'd work, whats the harm? I'd love to see what reasonable actions you believe they could take to start to make amends for things that have happened.

 

[Boxed in Lurker]

If you list out things that you'd like to see addressed, and what you'd require for either an apology or what needs to be done in order to earn forgiveness. Then yeah, I'd bring it up to them.

It's too late for glip to apologize or anything like it to earn forgiveness

I believe it's been stated many times in many ways how she could have avoided all of this. How she could have salvaged what remained. But her actions then and now have completely fucked her over.

 

[CallieMarie]

Let me start with, this was actually better than I was expecting. So instant points for you.

point one: what I meant by that was: you asked a question in a way that gave the impression that you'd already made up your mind about what actually happened. I still put faith in you that you were actually interested in listening, but I won't lie, I did feel my faith get tested. Thankfully I was wrong. I really like being wrong. It means I have room to grow.

point two: what happened was I copied the link from the server list, here's an image for example: View attachment 667065
which really fucks shit up if you try to click on it. I thought I tested it on my side to see if it worked, but I guess I fucked that one up too. My ulterior motive is: I am really fucking tired of people hating each other to no end, and I would really like to see some honest discussion between what people want from one another. So I wanted to try to create a situation where people get more comfortable and try to talk about things they don't understand. I've already had several conversations with a number of kiwis and cleared up a lot of the doubts they brought to me (thats not to say im against having my mind changed, Im just saying how those specific situations played out).

point three: I think I would like to know what constitutes an appropriate apology. I know that sounds stupid, but just bare with me I promise im not asking out of bad faith. One thing Ive noticed here is that what is considered "a real apology" to me seems like a toss up (almost random), so I think having the details of what guides your judgement could help me understand what needs to be done a little better.

point four: fair enough. I felt anguish at having made a false accusation. It made me feel like a fucking moron for having gotten that wrong and I hated that. I did, and still do, find it very difficult to empathize with the actual twitter user themself. I often allow my emotions to get the better of me when it comes to judgement. The problem I had with them was that I find it very difficult to be inauthentic about my feelings, I wanted to apologize for my actions, not so much how they mightve been affected by them, which was a fault on my part.

I'm not infallible and I believe that everyone has room to grow, so if you have specific suggestions as to something ive done wrong, I am always open to repair that until everyone is satisfied. So thank you for having a bit of faith in me. Its nice to know something is making it through. That gave me a bit more hope for the future.

one:
two: Thankyou for that explanation. That story logically checks out to me and I am glad I understand now what actually happened there.
three: This user explained it well.

the point of an apology is that you feel remorse for what you've done and are seeking forgiveness from the other person. it's an admission of wrongdoing that is intended to help the person wronged, or at least acknowledge that you thought about your actions and how it affected them

Though, I would also add an apology also includes the acknowledgment and desire to better yourself to ensure whatever you are apologizing for does not happen again.
four:

There are, many things I want to say about why I personally do not consider Glip and Eevees apologies legitimate but other users are already grilling you on that and I don't want to overwhelm you and I really don't want to write a mile long essay right now either.

 

[tofu dog]

People make mistakes in their lives, Im pretty sure theyd agree theyve done a number of things they regret and would like to mend the damage of.

During the recent Twitter tirade, someone did ask what Glip regrets, and instead of any of the many things this thread has pointed out, the only thing they talked about was a bad experience with a creepy client. It feels to me like someone handed them a chance on a silver platter and Glip didn't take the obvious opportunity.

 

[Pancakes-ish]

as for what to apologize for, this thread has quite a laundry list, but here's a start:
-normalizing incest, bestiality, and child abuse through art which was easily accessible to children (has glip ever addressed those drawings with their sister and the one with their cat's character?)
-carelessly or worse purposefully exposing child fans on deviantart to fetish pornography by posting provocative images and all but linking their porn tumblr

do they really understand why this is wrong and why this damages kids? because it's awfully hard to believe they do what with eevee's constant "but [age] is aaaalmost an adult!!!" and "my legacy will be kids finding out they're gay thru forflor" and "killua porn owns!" and other similar sentiments

 

[Good Intentions]

one:
two: Thankyou for that explanation. That story logically checks out to me and I am glad I understand now what actually happened there.
three: This user explained it well.
Though, I would also add an apology also includes the acknowledgment and desire to better yourself to ensure whatever you are apologizing for does not happen again.
four:

There are, many things I want to say about why I personally do not consider Glip and Eevees apologies legitimate but other users are already grilling you on that and I don't want to overwhelm you and I really don't want to write a mile long essay right now either.

Glip and I have the same problems with apologies for the most part, which is why im interested in figuring it out for myself. Because if I can figure out some mental state I can put myself into that helps me reach the people whove been hurt, maybe I can work with them to do the same? I'm probably going to need to talk with friends for a long while to think up how i can go about an apology that actually reaches out to the twitter user, but i like this explanation. I've always thought about it from an internal perspective of what I considered myself having done wrong because I grew up with people who were never interested in forgiving even the slightest thing no matter how much you tried to put yourself out there, so I grew jaded and uncaring about those people. Definitely something I should work on correcting, thanks for the help paving the way.

as for what to apologize for, this thread has quite a laundry list, but here's a start:
-normalizing incest, bestiality, and child abuse through art which was easily accessible to children (has glip ever addressed those drawings with their sister and the one with their cat's character?)
-carelessly or worse purposefully exposing child fans on deviantart to fetish pornography by posting provocative images and all but linking their porn tumblr

do they really understand why this is wrong and why this damages kids? because it's awfully hard to believe they do what with eevee's constant "but [age] is aaaalmost an adult!!!" and "my legacy will be kids finding out they're gay thru forflor" and "killua porn owns!" and other similar sentiments

ok good start, but what do you want to see done to make up for those things. I see a lot of accusations but no path to a better future.

 

[hoo boy]

It's too late for glip to apologize or anything like it to earn forgiveness

I believe it's been stated many times in many ways how she could have avoided all of this. How she could have salvaged what remained. But her actions then and now have completely fucked her over.

People can change. We all have a that chance. Even if it takes years.

People can either accept that change, or stay stuck in the past.

 

[Meowthkip]

When I say "AnyoneCanChange" I mean glip too. I mean anyone.

If only that were the case.

The thing is, most evidence we have of Glip indicates she is a narcissist. There's over 1,2000 pages of evidence of this. This thread didn't get this long because we're a bunch of mustache-twirling villains looking to sully Glip's reputation because we're big meanies. For over two years, she's not only displayed that she's made no progress in bettering herself, she's actively gotten worse. It's why her fanbase is dropping off so steeply. There's a reason she loses followers when she goes on a Twitter tirade. Narcissists, out of all people with Cluster-B personality disorders, are the people least likely to realize that there's anything wrong with them, at least not anything that is their own fault. I speak from personal experience here from dealing with them.

It's not a good idea to invite Kiwis into a draw pile and then let one of Glip's lapdogs sit in on it. You have to keep in mind, a majority of the thread regulars are people who used to be fans, some of whom were hurt by Glip. Opa being in there is a power move to let those fans know that Glip is still watching. And while she can't really do much aside from talking shit, she still has enough of a following of people who will believe her.

I don't want my little autistic brood here to be targeted by a narc who is wholly incapable of even making the most basic apology. The fact that you, yourself, were so unfamiliar with how a proper apology works is alarming because it means Glip's example is one that you're following, and you don't see anything wrong with them. It's clear she still wields a great deal of influence over you. That's why I'm wary; because it's worrying. Can you not see how that's kind of fucked up?

I don't mean this as a personal attack, but as long as you have positive ties with Glip, I, for one, will not be able to trust you fully, good intentions or no. I fear you're being used as a pawn, and even if you don't mean any harm, I can't be sure that there isn't somebody moving the pieces.

You dig?

 

[sad cowboy cat]

as much as I'd love to believe in change, the Lain/Spaggle thing was far too much to bear. how can anyone think to do that? to imply heinous shit like that to save face?

 

[scared lurker]

I think a step in the right direction for glip would be reaching out to and trying to make good with Lain.
If Marl's actions are not glip's own, then they should at least show some sympathy for marl's victims especially since we're to believe they know first hand that he sexually harasses their friends and others.
If glip wants us to believe they care about his victims then constantly calling lain a liar is not a good look at all and is one of the main reasons I have very little pity for glip in this situation. why have they not made any effort to hear lain out at all?

 

[CallieMarie]

-carelessly or worse purposefully exposing child fans on deviantart to fetish pornography by posting provocative images and all but linking their porn tumblr

Actually, they did link it.

When I was a minor obsessed with pmd-e Glip was illustrating a PK/Shroomsworth story that at the time I thought was really cute. Glip said the next part wouldn't be uploaded on DeviantArt, but tumblr and did not mention why. They linked their tumblr in the description.

The reason the next part wasn't uploaded on deviantart was that the next part was porn. Naturally, as a kid I was excited to read more story of characters I loved, and a lot of the story was, unfortunately, behind the scenes, in porn. And yeah, I do think it affected me negatively, and also think that getting children used to pornographic situations is a (hopefully unintentional) form of grooming. This, in particular, was really fucking dangerous with you-know-who in all of the IRC and discord chats.

Glip has a similar set up with Floraverse where one side of the plot is all-ages with character designs that appeal to children, and the other side is just straight porn. With both being needed to even hope to understand what's going on. So that issue with PMD-E is still ongoing to this very day. There are very good reasons that artists with generally family friendly content + high child fanbases do nsfw under a strict pay-wall, under a different alias, or at the very least don't require the nsfw as reading to understand the sfw work.

I guess my recommendation to Glip is to figure out how to tell a story in a way that doesn't harm their child fans, or better yet, write a story that children are not going to be interested in since that seems to be what Glip themselves are more interested in writing.

 

[Boxed in Lurker]

People can change. We all have a that chance. Even if it takes years.

People can either accept that change, or stay stuck in the past.

Obviously I don't speak for everyone on this thread but I'm going to have a hard time believing her if she ever did make an apology. It's not because I'm stuck in the past.

I'm a person who thinks how you handle situations shows your true character. When this stuff hit the fan, Glip instantly went silent and then proceeded to flee the state and then change her name along with Eevee. Then, she posted a supposed apology from Marl which I believe she went on to slip up and give evidence that she edited it or whatever. And then she called the victims names and screamed over and over that they were lying. Aaannnd then you add her current actions to the pile with the whole fic situation.

I'm not going to shit on those who think Glip can change
But I'm going to take any apology with a huge grain of salt until she shows proof that she's changing and actually stick with any changes

 

[Pancakes-ish]

Actually, they did link it.

When I was a minor obsessed with pmd-e Glip was illustrating a PK/Shroomsworth story that at the time I thought was really cute. Glip said the next part wouldn't be uploaded on DeviantArt, but tumblr and did not mention why. They linked their tumblr in the description.

The reason the next part wasn't uploaded on deviantart was that the next part was porn. Naturally, as a kid I was excited to read more story of characters I loved, and a lot of the story was, unfortunately, behind the scenes, in porn. And yeah, I do think it affected me negatively, and also think that getting children used to pornographic situations is a (hopefully unintentional) form of grooming. This, in particular, was really fucking dangerous with you-know-who in all of the IRC and discord chats.

Glip has a similar set up with Floraverse where one side of the plot is all-ages with character designs that appeal to children, and the other side is just straight porn. With both being needed to even hope to understand what's going on. So that issue with PMD-E is still ongoing to this very day. There are very good reasons that artists with generally family friendly content + high child fanbases do nsfw under a strict pay-wall, under a different alias, or at the very least don't require the nsfw as reading to understand the sfw work.

I guess my recommendation to Glip is to figure out how to tell a story in a way that doesn't harm their child fans, or better yet, write a story that children are not going to be interested in since that seems to be what Glip themselves are more interested in writing.

Yes, that's exactly the incident i was thinking of and that i also ran into as a minor. i gave them a slight break because it wasn't a literal link you could click on, it said "my tumblr username is the same as here, folks" or something like that. but from reading the comments, obviously a lot of curious kids saw it and were confused and grossed out.
great point about it being even worse in context with the chatrooms. i didn't even think of that.

 

[hoo boy]

I'm not going to shit on those who think Glip can change
But I'm going to take any apology with a huge grain of salt until she shows proof that she's changing and actually stick with any changes

Agree.

I used to be a fan of her work actually. Really enjoyed the Seeds story arc (until it got confusing lol).

Then I found a beware post on Tumblr and well.. you guys know the rest by now.

 

[CallieMarie]

I used to be a fan of her work actually. Really enjoyed the Seeds story arc (until it got confusing lol).

Despite the poll results at the top the majority of the regular posters in this thread are former fans of Glip. This is also why this thread as a different, more relaxed attitude in general compared to the rest of the site.

Speaking of, that poll has been there forever. Maybe we should get around making a new one.

edit:

Yes, that's exactly the incident i was thinking of and that i also ran into as a minor.

Yeah in my experience with other former fans that I spoke to that story in particular fucked up a lot of people as kids.

 

[Meowthkip]

Speaking of, that poll has been there forever. Maybe we should get around making a new one.

I'd have to think of a good one to replace it.

 

[Gronbo the Grand]

It's not just Glip's assholery that needs to be apologized for either. She still needs to apologize to Marl's victims, who she ridiculed and threatened. People like Lain and Bigfluff, not to mention her own friends. She is so adamant that she is the only victim, while making it out so that anyone who was also affected by Marl to be liars. That whole, "sure Marl did bad stuff to people, but 99% affected MEMEME" tweet is sickening, and no one in their right mind would ever say that. Glip is perpetually in a state of temper tantrums, and that 6-8 hour long tweet storm a few days ago is a clear sign of that.

And I'm sorry @Good Intentions , but I find the mere idea of Glip apologizing to be outlandish. Over 1,200 pages of her behavior is far more than enough to see what kind of person she really is, and I wouldn't be surprised if the "apologies" had to with some threats, and at the most "I'm sorry YOU felt that way" non-apology shit. If Glip were an actual good, honest, selfless person like you make her out to be, I doubt this thread would have made it into the triple digits.