Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[Zealot]

yep, every time I've had an issue with glip ive brought it up with them and we worked it out over a period of days. I've seen with my own eyes them giving people who have done (in my eyes) horrible unforgivable things a second chance. And theres usually things that both of them have to own up to. And both of them do. I really have faith that things can get better. When I say "AnyoneCanChange" I mean glip too. I mean anyone.

If you list out things that you'd like to see addressed, and what you'd require for either an apology or what needs to be done in order to earn forgiveness. Then yeah, I'd bring it up to them. I have a guess that they have the same struggle I do in that its very hard to know what people want of them without specifics on what needs to be done. People make mistakes in their lives, Im pretty sure theyd agree theyve done a number of things they regret and would like to mend the damage of. Giving them a good start on ideas of how to fix things would probably help immensely to start seeing some actual change. And hey, even if you dont believe it'd work, whats the harm? I'd love to see what reasonable actions you believe they could take to start to make amends for things that have happened.

She could have like, apologised for calling the kids Marl creeped on liars.

Spoiler: accidentally a fucking essay

People said forever that her husband was doing some shady shit and she painted them as psychotic liars conducting a smear campaign against her family. When it came out that it was actually true, at no point did she have the normal human reaction of remorse and guilt for helping facilitate something absolutely terrible. She straight up said she had it the worst of any of them and did not seem to understand how actually sociopathic it made her look.

To this day she insists she had no part of it and it's not her fault, so why should she have to apologise for something her husband did, but she did actually have a part in it. Even assuming she didn't know about it (and I don't know if I believe that), she helped him to do it by not believing anybody that talked about it, and she covered for him by publicly calling the victims liars. She helped Marl to get away with that gross shit and she made the pain of a lot of people a lot fucking worse, whether she meant to or not.

I wouldn't even hate her for that part, I get being upset when your family is being called awful things. But the fact that she seems to feel absolutely no guilt for publicly and viciously defaming people who turned out to actually be telling the truth is just fucking baffling to me. She makes up reasons why the victims don't deserve apologies from her because they were Bad People, she paints herself as the real and primary victim and she basically does anything she can to avoid taking responsibility for the fact that the victims are also victims of her behaviour. Normal people would be horrified, but she is there making excuses as to why it's not her fault and not her problem. Then she seems confused by people thinking she's a crazy fucking narcissist.

If she just shut the fuck up about how hard it is on her for once and had a moment of realisation about how bad she's made shit for everyone else, I'd consider it a miracle. But it's not going to happen because she'd have to stop and question her own behaviour for two seconds.


Apologies are not just "I'm sorry you feel that way but you're kind of an asshole." Apologies are about taking responsibility for what you did wrong, demonstrating that you understand exactly what you did wrong and why it was wrong, and showing that you're actually sorry for it. A real apology requires humility, and humility is something I've basically never seen PK express believably.

PK and company are always on about how they've like totally apologised a million times and KF just never acknowledges it, but it's just that their 'apologies' are fucking shiiit. It's always Eevee like, "Well that was x years ago so stop bothering me," and I've never ever seen PK even once actually take responsibility for something shitty she did. In fact I once saw her make an entire comic about how she was mean to someone and then apologised but actually she was the real victim the whole time because she was peer pressured into it, like it was those people's fault for the action she decided to take. This is so selfish and awful and the kind of shit narcissists do, and then they wonder why people don't like them. Nobody enjoys someone who doesn't take responsibility.

Anyone can change, but not everyone wants to. PK and company are never going to, because they already think they're right and everyone else is wrong, and I don't really think they have the capacity to question themselves very deeply. They're probably not stopping and thinking 'maybe there's a reason so many people go to KF of all places complaining about the toxicity of our community' or 'maybe there was a reason that therapist got freaked out.' They're okay with the shit they do, so they're right, and anyone who complains is a misogynist transphobe bigot. It's delusional. What can you even do about someone like that?

 

[Observatory]

The issue deep down with PK, as far as I can conclude at least, is that she does not apologize because she does not see her actions as wrong. She does not believe that anything she did so far was in any way wrong and that instead, people are just targeting her because she "is popular and great and they are jealous".

Spoiler: You are in for a long one again

-She states that she did not know that cub art is negative.
-Eevee says that "since there is an industry of loli/shota in japan, it has to be that the media wants to push that!" showing me that they have no idea about cultural differences and that just because something has media, it does not mean they want to "push" it. Also "they do it, so why don't WE do it?" is a very bad way to put things. Some countries eat dogs and stone people to death for small mistakes, but it doesn't mean that we should do it.
-She does not dare to apologize about anything she drew, nor does she appear to regret it, screaming that it was "coping!" all along. However, if I were to cope with a traumatic incident, the last thing I would do is name every instance of it I draw "hot" or "cute" and I would not gush about how much I love it.
-She regularly shits on people who are concerned or are fans, over petty things like questioning her. And she claims that other victims are lying or otherwise are not true, shitting on them as well.
-She constantly yells "I don't understand these people! Why do they target me??!" despite explanations constantly popping up in this thread. At this point I am willing to believe she is truely not capable of empathy. She can not for a moment try to see the world from another perspective. It is always and only about her. In her eyes, she is merely a talented, great personality of an artist that can do no wrong.

Furthermore:
-She has shown time and time again to also thrive on attention. With most of her audience jumping ship, she apparently turned to Kiwi Farms instead, since this thread does pay an immense amount of attention to her.
-She claims "I have an audience" and "They wanted my attention, now they got it and aren't doing anything, lol!" as if anyone here ever cared about it. Another incident where she is reflecting herself onto the situation instead of realising that people can think otherwise. She herself would care if the person she harassed noticed her and directly interacted with her (pengo for instance). We do not. We are here to discuss and archive, not pozload my negholep.
-Dr. Toxunate is entirely based on trying to "give haters a serving of their own medicine!" from what I could derive out of this entire mess. She is trying to weave lies, archive and act as if she wanted to "show the farms how it is to be targeted!". The difference being that no one here gives a shit and she is bad at it. Hence why multiple pages are about some shitty fanfiction she retweeted, because she had dented her own narrative she was trying to tell with a slipup.
-Not to mention that most, if not everything here are merely direct archives of her shit and people discussing how bad it is. It isn't that we are spinning things out of thin air.

Lastly, the entire pedo argument:
-Eevee and PK refuse to take the title because obviously, who wants to be called that, but also because their definitions are whack. They assume that "pedo" means people who have relations with children that are not yet sexually mature.
Eevee stated in very early posts that "If an 8 yer old really wanted it..." and despite this being very long ago, it meets perfectly with the Rhodes situation that PK brought into life.
For some bizarre reason, it is if they think that "If a young person has sexual desires, it should be okay???".
Eevee, more recently, did state that he thinks 16 should be A-Okay.
It's very likely that their mental states are incredibly stunted (see any temper tantrums of both of them) and since they never escaped this state, never matured in any form, they reflect this onto everyone else.
-I highly doubt they would actually have sex with a minor under the age of 16. But I wouldn't put it past them having relations with 16-17 year olds and calling it okay because in their eyes, they are mature enough.
-Lastly, if Eevee and PK want to roleplay their age crap in their bedroom, they can do that. They are two consenting adults in their 30s and free to do whatever they want with each other in a confined environment. It is when they start parading this shit around for all to see, for minors to see, where I get upset.
It's when they post this, claiming it to be a healthy incident (First time for instance) where I draw the line. It is not healthy or normal and PK will never realise this. Thus she will never stop her shit.
And this is exactly why she should be called a pedo.

 

[B Stands for Hugbees]

She could have also not said that everyone her and Marl groomed aren't liars for one of the many ones. Also the whole her being a sociopath thing still is around.

 

[DatBepisTho]

I want whatever some of you are on to have the perma-rosyv views that you're bring to the table. That must be some good shit and I don't even mean that mockingly, either.
That being said, none of you would get the same benefit of the doubt if PK were to throw you under the bus in place of whoever displeases her the most this week. The others would probably eat you alive just as quickly as the farms could archive it all.

Why defend that?
What makes you beat your little fleshy bodies to bloody pulps against the screenshots and archives over someone you couldn't redeem? It's not your reputation on the line. Unless you're a pedophile/dogfucking or apologist of that shit, you're but a blip on the mockery radar. Why does it make you feel like you're obligated to white knight someone another person has multiple documented reasons to dislike and warn others about?
Why are you so deadset on changing opinions that don't involve you 99.9% of the time?
-This is mostly rhetorical, but feel free to answer in 250 words or less.

People can change. We all have that chance. Even if it takes years.

People can either accept that change, or stay stuck in the past.

And then there are people who are so rotten to the core they'd rather drag others down than to admit fault and even begin changing.
Hence why this thread exists and keeps going, I might add.

Edit- sorry, my auto correct did something to the quote.
Edit2- random "a" made it have a shit fit and I think I fixed it to where it reads as a quote and makes sense again.

 

[JuliusCaesar]

It's one thing to say "oh people can change! Believe people can change!" It's another thing entirely for them to actually change.

There's zero evidence that PK has changed, and there's actually a ton of evidence that says that she hasn't. This isn't some cartoon where you can be absolved of your wrongdoings by yelling "Oh, how I've changed!"

People have been hurt. People have been used, mocked, lied to, traumatized, and all that other fun shit. It's just not acceptable for her to plug her ears like a petulant child and not own up to it. She hasn't changed.

 

[Freefallforall]

At the risk of overwhelming you @Good Intentions, another point I think is important is... Someone apologetic also puts forth the effort to not only listen to the one who was hurt, but also attempt problem solving themselves.

This is not always applicable, but here is a simple example:
A child breaks their friends toy. They apologize and offer to sew it back together. They repair it and while it is not the same as it once was, their friend still appreciates it because it shows the effort the other put.

Obviously everyone is different and Glip's situation is not as basic as repairing a doll, but let's stick to this idea to try to simplify and process the problem.

Glip breaks someone's doll... Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. When confronted, Glip responds by:

- deflecting the blame, saying the doll was already broken and placed there to frame them
-ganging up on the person whose doll they broke, all reinforcing the idea that the person is lying
-reframing the situation by explaining how the doll was in their way and they stepped on it and tripped and got a scab on their knee, so they're the real victim
-demonizing the person who owned the doll
-apologizing but still blaming the doll owner and absolving themselves of blame
-denying they ever broke the doll or that the doll is even broken


Glip only puts on effort to try to reassure and comfort themselves, not the people they hurt. Even if they somehow don't mean to do this, it's still a very self-centered way of interacting with people. People who are hurting just want to be heard and acknowledged, but Glip just vehemently denies it all.

 

[Lazybird8654]

Can somebody recap what happened over the past month?

 

[RisingPhoenix]

Can somebody recap what happened over the past month?

The creeping amount of author rage came to a head in the comic, PK made a comic-video that's vague gibberish but mostly is about being mad about all the callouts she's had to deal with and how it's all lies (of course). This led to her playing some alt-persona on her twitter that speaks in all caps. The follow up comic was seemingly posted to try and get Pengo's attention, she also spent a whopping $90 plus dollars on his music which IMO in this situation is almost a certain sort of harassment.

PK then followed this up by occasionally deflecting blame to people by trying to direct harassment to the person who wrote the PMD-E PK and Rhodes story (but they apologized a long time ago and explained why they did it). They also complemented a fan-fic a fan tweeted at them which appeared to have Min (an underage character) having a sexual experience with a Seeds character that was implied to be predatory in the main story. People naturally chattered about it, then the fan-fic apparently changed to Cress (who is of age).

The fan fic writer claims there was only ever one story, PK swears there was one version and another. PK thinks it's a set up to make her look bad. The Farms is wondering if the whole thing is just a massive play.

Vee, PK and Opa did some tag teaming on twitter which included some slightly dishonest debate tactics but that's fairly small potatoes.

2-3 Florafans popped in to give their concerns, argue for PK or out of curiosity - one of them got put on probation from their discord admin position for it.

 

[B Stands for Hugbees]

If anything Melanie hasn't changed, she's gotten worse.

 

[Retrograde Mercury]

I keep thinking about how both Min's and Cress' profiles say they're totally not little kids. So what's the problem from Glip's point of view? If they're both adults, what trap are you talking about?

Spoiler

Being extremely vague about a character's age and then blaming someone for writing kiddie porn is an asshole move and you know it.

 

[I'm Just A Human Bean]

I keep thinking about how both Min's and Cress' profiles say they're totally not little kids. So what's the problem from Glip's point of view? If they're both adult, what trap are you talking about?

Spoiler

Being extremely vague about a character's age and then blaming someone for writing kiddie porn is an asshole move and you know it.

I do remember Glip's Flora tumblr stating that Min is canonically a child, or "too young" and that depicting her in smut would not be accepted in her canon. I don't know how that works, with it being a group license thing, but it was her way of making the character off-limits, basically. I can't back it up myself, but I'm sure this thread has archives of this statement.
Cress, while canonically an adult, is still one of those lame, weak excuses for an "adult."
After reading that about Min, I supposed the age on her wiki is meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
Maybe I'm completely wrong on remembering Min's age and Glip wanted her to be off-limits to make an asexual character?

(Edit: I can't get this to load, but if you're up to the task of verifying this, it might be found here in the archive of the Forbidden Flora tumblr. You'll find some other interesting asks there even if you don't find the Min ask.)

Spoiler: another edgy update

http://archive.li/xF4LK

 

[Thumping Bassline]

This ultimately doesn't matter, but I recall someone (hundreds of pages back) pointing out that all of PK's self inserts have different eyes. Beleth, that masked avatar she used for a while, Kid Neon with her +/- eyes... And now, Dr. Toxinuate.

 

[Bangaskhan lost pw oops]

ok good start, but what do you want to see done to make up for those things. I see a lot of accusations but no path to a better future.

that's because figuring that part out is glip's job, not the people who they have wronged.

if they need someone to tell them how to aplogize and then act after an apology, they missed that boat in elementary school

 

[FarFlung]

Everyone has posted their essays on the subject and explained it already, but if we personally made a list of all the things glip had to do/apologize for it would feel more as if we were making a list for them to complete. More of a "here are our demands" situation as if we were making a deal to settle on. An apology is meaningless if it is forced. Nobody can tell you how to regret your own actions.

 

[Catastrophe-TM]

Spoiler: My measly 2 cents

If anything, PK needs to acknowledge not only the fact that Lain and bigfluff were right, but that she herself is becoming exactly like her mother and essentially repeating what happened to her and her sister through Lain/bigfluff/every other victim.

I've stated this before and as harsh as it is, it's the truth.

Look and compare at how PK talks to Marl's victims to how her mother treated her and her sister. How Marl is basically like her father and how she defends him and denies his actions like her mother did with her father.
Compare how PK went to and told Meowth346/Chris Fritz about her abuse, much like how Lain/bigfluff/every other victim came to the farms here and told kiwis their story.
And what happened when it got out to the public? PK's mom got angry with her and they moved. PK got angry with Marl and then they moved too.

PK is recreating her own abusive and dysfunctional childhood and she's too blind to realize she is now her mother in this situation and Lain/bigfluff/every other victim are her and her sister. With Eevee, that cycle is doomed to happen again. And I bet it will.
PK can spout about them being liars all she wants, but at the end of they day they were right. Because if they weren't, she wouldn't have had all of this shit happening to her in the first place.

PK is her mother and she married someone who is like her father. And like how her father got away with his crimes, PK helped Marl get away with his.


I also wanna add that PK's whole thing with trying to imitate how she perceives KF via Dr. Toxicboy falls pretty fucking hard. Not because of the fanfic fiasco, but her behavior towards Twitter users. She wants to show KF that "this how you're treating me!", but the thing is: she's not doing it to KF or to kiwis.
She's doing it to random Twitter users (some who may be even former fans/friends) who simply call her out and the vast majority of them are not kiwis (and if they were, how would you be able to tell?)

She is attacking people with the assumption that they are a KF user and thinks this is sticking it to us, but really it's making her out to be an even bigger bitch than before. It doesn't help that by getting Eevee, Opa and whatever fans she has on her side to also join in only adds to the evidence that she sics her fanbase on people who disagree with her.

 

[Freefallforall]

This ultimately doesn't matter, but I recall someone (hundreds of pages back) pointing out that all of PK's self inserts have different eyes. Beleth, that masked avatar she used for a while, Kid Neon with her +/- eyes... And now, Dr. Toxinuate.

I believe @Needle Fletcher confirmed that Glip's current Dr. Toxinuate arc is done with Pengo in mind. Does this mean Glip is self-inserting onto the Pengo stand-in?

Trying to sue someone who was your friend, paying for his music, getting your cronies to follow him, and then wearing a skin meant to look like him to SCREAM IN O M I N O U S ALL-CAPS is not a good look, unless you want to be a serial killer.

 

[Moonbeast]

I mean let's be honest, nobody is going to believe Glip is sincerely trying to better themselves until they reign their public behavior in, especially on twitter, and get a handle on these crazed emotional outbursts. Like, some sincere apologies would be great but it won't mean much if she basically goes on twitter the next day to call some unassuming 17 year old a stupid annoying bastard, or something. I get having dysfunctional social skills and struggling with that or whatever, I'll even give Glip the benefit of the doubt that they are just really bad at interacting with other people, but there comes a point where you have to be self aware about your behavior and realize where the issues lie.

If a person has anger management problems it might explain why they'd hit you, but that doesn't make it right. It's still on them to know what behavior isn't acceptable and to find healthy outlets for it that (and here's the important one, Glip) doesn't hurt anyone else or perpetuate and encourage the bad behaviors. It is possible to know your limits, to know when to walk away, to know the point at which people consider your reactions unreasonable or harmful. That's one of the bigger breakthroughs with emotional regulation problems-- knowing when, for everyone's sake, you need to step back and take a breath to collect yourself.

Making amends isn't enough. They need to fix their past and considerably work on the now, and really do some self reflecting on how they see and treat others. If they would let themselves be more concerned with how they affect the people around them rather than the things going on with themselves, really start showing some selflessness and humility, a lot of this would go away.

 

[tofu dog]

Maybe glip's plan is to bore the fuck out of us, because I'm pretty bored with this act already

Spoiler: another edgy update

http://archive.li/xF4LK

My worst interpretation limping across the finish line? Christ.

Writing aside, I actually think the layout on this page is nice. It hasn't been this easy to read one of Glip's pages in a long time.

 

[Bellson Adams]

Wonder if Flora will ever finish at all with the fuckfest it is now

 

[andr0id psycho sho(ker]

Wonder if Flora will ever finish at all with the fuckfest it is now

floraverse getting cancelled right now might be a mercy given what Glip is doing with it