Serious LGBT Discussion

[Alberto Balsalm]

That sounds nice in theory, but in practice way too many people approach these medical interventions with wildly inappropriate expectations, and there's even more people to cheer them on. Have you ever seen someone with anorexia decide they are thin enough and settle into a happy medium? Of course not. Same thing happens with dysphoria; you're chasing an idealized image that you can never attain. The closer you get, the less satisfied you are.

Sure, I've seen it happen. That's what properly-functioning support groups are for. At the same time, I've seen people with entirely realistic goals to lose weight purely for their self-esteem (where health is a comparatively minimal concern) get met with "oh my god, do you have an eating disorder?". Mostly by fat women whose own self-image issues (ahem) outweigh the people they're criticizing. The way society treats this topic is obviously quite different, since being skinny and pretty is more or less a normal want, but the principles are still there.

I completely understand and agree that medical transition is being used like a sledgehammer for all sorts of inappropriate situations. But it's not as simple as replacing the current panacea with another one. When you've pressured people to accept realistic beauty standards, accept being gender non-conforming, and get help for their mental health issues, and you're still left with a group who would rather change a few things about themselves and be done with it than go through so much fuss - then what?

 

[Safir]

Last year, researchers reported the results of an experimental surgical technique for pelvic floor transplantation (which included the genitals) in rats, sheep, and eight human cadavers:
https://journals.lww.com/transplant...Surgical_Technique_for_Pelvic_Floor.1340.aspx

They concluded that the research may one day have an application for gender reassignment surgery.

Thoughts?

Since transgenderism is now considered a ~deadly~ medical condition which requires ~lifesaving~ surgery, there will be an international gray market of destitute people ~donating~ their reproductive organs to troons.

(you're welcome)

Are there transitioned people who are happy and healthy? I honestly don’t know.

The British gender-critical transladies: Debbie Hayton, Kristina Harrison, Miranda Yardley, Fionne Orlander. Debbie and Kristina are normies, Miranda and Fionne are countercultural geeks, all four are sane and well.

 

[The Cunting Death]

Anyone else don't bother telling other people they're gay or bi unless the situation calls upon it?

I feel like if I just say "DUDE I'M BI LMAO" I'd be incredibly self indulgent about myself, and I'd be suffering from Unwarranted Self Importance

 

[Toucan]

Are there transitioned people who are happy and healthy? I honestly don’t know.

Ive met a few. Though I agree there does seem to be a great deal of depressed trans people. I would say that in the future when sex reassingment surgeries get better this might decrease? Thats just a guess though.

 

[La Luz Extinguido]

Are there transitioned people who are healthy? I honestly don’t know.

Lol no

 

[MW 002]

Are there transitioned people who are happy and healthy? I honestly don’t know.

There’s probably a few who are satisfied with the results of transitioning, however that’s very far and few in between these days due to the lowered criteria for undergoing transition.

The problem is, it’s not uncommon for Trans Activists to either downplay or outright lie about transitioning. Had a friend go on estrogen who was really shocked to find out that the drugs were causing rapid hair loss, even though they assumed you wouldn’t get such effects from the drugs. There was also a shit ton of weight gain and loss of libido which they weren’t told about; they were under the impression that hormonal therapy would turn them into Heidi rather than Olga. Since they decided to transition in their mid thirties, it only made them look like a sixty year old meth addicted slavic woman. As soon as they expressed a will to detransiiton, the Trans Activsts immediately gave them the cold shoulder.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Had a friend go on estrogen who was really shocked to find out that the drugs were causing rapid hair loss, even though they assumed you wouldn’t get such effects from the drugs.

How legit was your friend's HRT - doctor prescription, informed consent clinic, or online gray market? I've heard it said that this is a common issue with DIY transitioners who don't bother to follow recommended dosages. Hormone imbalances cause the body to convert excess testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, which is linked to hair loss, so the idea is to avoid raising estrogen like crazy and use blockers to prevent significant production of testosterone in the first place.

 

[MW 002]

How legit was your friend's HRT - doctor prescription, informed consent clinic, or online gray market? I've heard it said that this is a common issue with DIY transitioners who don't bother to follow recommended dosages. Hormone imbalances cause the body to convert excess testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, which is linked to hair loss, so the idea is to avoid raising estrogen like crazy and use blockers to prevent significant production of testosterone in the first place.

From what I recall, they said they had to “navigate” getting the drugs- so it either means they went doctor shopping until they found one willing to prescribe HRT or they got some sketchy knock off brand. Neither would surprise me, seeing as how common both are within the Trans community.

But as you said, it also could have been as simple them not following instructions as provided by the doctors.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

From what I recall, they said they had to “navigate” getting the drugs- so it either means they went doctor shopping until they found one willing to prescribe HRT or they got some sketchy knock off brand. Neither would surprise me, seeing as how common both are within the Trans community.

But as you said, it also could have been as simple them not following instructions as provided by the doctors.

Yeah, online trans communities definitely have an issue with distrusting doctors, and considering anything other than instant gratification to be "gatekeeping". It's an unfortunate reality that you can't often trust internet communities for serious issues, even if it's something you won't commonly find support for IRL, since the depressed NEETs with too much time on their hands post so much more than the actual experts.

 

[AF 802]

Are there transitioned people who are happy and healthy? I honestly don’t know.

it's a rarity, but sure. i'd imagine those who actually listen to therapists and doctors about their wellbeing post-transition (and even pre-transition) without screaming about literally being killed are in this way, but again, usually the dysphoria thing is synonymous with unstable enough states where you don't listen.

 

[Wallace]

Anyone else don't bother telling other people they're gay or bi unless the situation calls upon it?

I feel like if I just say "DUDE I'M BI LMAO" I'd be incredibly self indulgent about myself, and I'd be suffering from Unwarranted Self Importance

There’s probably a few who are satisfied with the results of transitioning, however that’s very far and few in between these days due to the lowered criteria for undergoing transition.

The problem is, it’s not uncommon for Trans Activists to either downplay or outright lie about transitioning. Had a friend go on estrogen who was really shocked to find out that the drugs were causing rapid hair loss, even though they assumed you wouldn’t get such effects from the drugs. There was also a shit ton of weight gain and loss of libido which they weren’t told about; they were under the impression that hormonal therapy would turn them into Heidi rather than Olga. Since they decided to transition in their mid thirties, it only made them look like a sixty year old meth addicted slavic woman. As soon as they expressed a will to detransiiton, the Trans Activsts immediately gave them the cold shoulder.

Like I've said before, it's a cult. They recruit people who are insecure about their appearance or gendered behavior in a hypersexualized society, then promise them relief from their anxiety if they troon out. No one ever tells them the side effects of their bootleg hormones (one of which is actual dysphoria), and once they take those first few steps, they have peer pressure from the online troon cult keeping them on that path despite their unhappiness getting worse.

 

[AF 802]

Like I've said before, it's a cult. They recruit people who are insecure about their appearance or gendered behavior in a hypersexualized society, then promise them relief from their anxiety if they troon out. No one ever tells them the side effects of their bootleg hormones (one of which is actual dysphoria), and once they take those first few steps, they have peer pressure from the online troon cult keeping them on that path despite their unhappiness getting worse.

gee, it's almost like they're projecting the literal suicides in reverse!

 

[El Porko Fako]

Are there transitioned people who are happy and healthy? I honestly don’t know.

In my biased, personal experience, FtM are usually the more sane of the two. I met a friend of a friend a few months back who is a FtM trans man, and they were completely average and were an actual contributing member of society. He had a full time job, had a great sense of humor and could take and crack jokes, and they were really nice. Unfortunately, the few interactions I've had with MtF trans women have been less than stellar. This one lady boy was a homeless druggie who would come into the store I used to work at and just randomly yell at me and my coworkers about whatever was on there mind and then there have been a couple other trans women back in college who were way too in my and everybody else's face about how sexually active they are.

Don't let a bunch of online thin-skinned shitheads taint your opinion on the trans community as a whole though. Not all of them are shrieking ghouls. Some just want to live their life and are completely mundane. Most of the trans people I've talked to on here have also been really chill.

 

[John Titor]

Can someone tell me what Queer is supposed to be and why some insist on adding Q to the LGBTROFLMAO acronym? From what I can gather, it was supposed to be used as an umbrella term.

 

[AF 802]

Can someone tell me what Queer is supposed to be and why some insist on adding Q to the LGBTROFLMAO acronym? From what I can gather, it was supposed to be used as an umbrella term.

from what i can tell, its a fancy way to say gay.

 

[Wallace]

Can someone tell me what Queer is supposed to be and why some insist on adding Q to the LGBTROFLMAO acronym? From what I can gather, it was supposed to be used as an umbrella term.

As used, it's an umbrella term for "not straight". It's also a signifier for the current counter-culture that exists predominately on Woke Twitter.

 

[AnOminous]

As used, it's an umbrella term for "not straight". It's also a signifier for the current counter-culture that exists predominately on Woke Twitter.

It's also a way to claim oppressed status while being a completely normal straight person by making up some absolute bullshit.

 

[Wallace]

It's also a way to claim oppressed status while being a completely normal straight person by making up some absolute bullshit.

Well yeah. That goes without saying.

 

[Hail Nyarlathotep]

Can someone tell me what Queer is supposed to be and why some insist on adding Q to the LGBTROFLMAO acronym? From what I can gather, it was supposed to be used as an umbrella term.

It used to be considered a slur that pissed people off in the LGBT community, as far I know.
Which is why I find it weird they seem to be happy to include it now. Does being called gay not sound special enough, anymore ?

 

[Professional iPad Hoarder]

A bit off-topic (and a bit too much powerlevel) but still a legit question, is there any signs or ways to at least try to identify someone's sexuality?
I have a co-worker (at the same enterprise but not at the same room / section) that is "softer" (I don't really know how to describe tbh) compared to every single other man here (PS: there is a dude that works here that is gay but he is very different from him) , we don't talk to each other everyday but I think he might like me, everytime we talk (about random subjects like the latest game) it seems very obvious to me that he is making an effort to keep talking with me and knowing better me, I want to at least try to figure out if he is actually interested in me or he is just trying to be friendly, I dont like the ideia of just asking right on his face (wich I think is very rude) but I also don't want to keep this for too long and make he think that I like him as a bf.

Aditional info: his facebook friends are quite balanced (not too much guys or girls) wich might be an indicator for some people