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r/MtF - “If we didn’t love you, we would have left you in Colorado!”

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Seems to me that mother was trying to reinforce that they did love him using the fact that they cared for him for the last ~20 years of his life, but predictably they morph it into a woe is me pity party on the basis of could'ves and might'ves.

I love the coming out stories where they expect everyone is just gonna fall to the floor on their knees praising how courageous they are! Humans are creatures of habit and notoriously resistant to change??? You don't just drop this on someone and expect all of them to brush it off like no big deal. It's not just 'oh I date the same sex here' it's freakin' I'm going to try to alter myself through chemicals and surgery to be the illusion of a different gender and if you don't like it you're the monster.

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I knew a FTM online that I used to chat with and it really kicked off how much transgender people irritate me because this person whenever they talked about their transition they would without fail bring up how their father 'wasn't accepting'. It got to the point where I was just so fed up with these petty ass complaints they had and told them off about it. Their father was a good guy, but everything he did was always wrong because 'transphobia' like gd. This man has changed your diapers, played tea party with you, watched you grow up, supported you in sporting events, and everything a good parent supporting their child can do of course he's struggling to deal with it! It's basically like he's watching the child he raised die and be replaced with a stranger! He's one of the closest people to you, give him time and understanding because he's gotta deal with just as complicated emotions as you do for this!

None of them have any consideration for how much this impacts the other people in their lives, they just want absolute tyrannical acceptance while giving no time period of adjustment or consideration of how the people who love them have to work through their feeling on the issue. They're so busy suffering that they have blinders on as to how what they're doing also causes emotional distress to their loved ones. It's all me me me! all the time.

 

[Potatis Salad]

None of them have any consideration for how much this impacts the other people in their lives, they just want absolute tyrannical acceptance while giving no time period of adjustment or consideration of how the people who love them have to work through their feeling on the issue. They're so busy suffering that they have blinders on as to how what they're doing also causes emotional distress to their loved ones. It's all me me me! all the time.

I can't wrap my mind around how fathers of young kids can suddenly decide to troon out. There've been a couple of them discussed in this thread: fathers of babies and preschoolers. Sure, be a troon when you're a 22-year-old dumbass or a fat old empty nester with a dead bedroom and nothing better to do but obsess about your fetish. But for most people, having kids is a wake-up call that, holy shit, not everything is about themselves anymore. I can't even fathom having a tiny kid come into my life, completely dependent on my care, and reacting to that by trooning out, basically abdicating my parenting duty and causing a giant attention-seeking scene. Or being the wife/mother forced to pretend like it's all fine because to object would be ~bigoted. Can't even get support from society because it's taboo to admit that your husband completely fucked over the family.

 

[Green Room]

It sounds like this person is trying to run away from the responsibility of the situation he created, when he came inside his girlfriend's vagina with his penis. Okay, fine, you have a feminine penis - you still need to wrap it up.

Now not only has this person emotionally abandoned their girlfriend when she needs support the most, but flips it around and makes himself the victim. She probably already feels like her pregnant body is gross, and on top of that has to listen to this guy complain about her vagina. If they can abuse their girlfriend in such an emotionally fucked up way, god forbid they do stick around to be in the kid's life.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

I can't wrap my mind around how fathers of young kids can suddenly decide to troon out. There've been a couple of them discussed in this thread: fathers of babies and preschoolers. Sure, be a troon when you're a 22-year-old dumbass or a fat old empty nester with a dead bedroom and nothing better to do but obsess about your fetish. But for most people, having kids is a wake-up call that, holy shit, not everything is about them. I can't even fathom having a tiny kid come into my life, completely dependent on my care, and reacting to that by trooning out, basically abdicating my parenting duty and causing a giant attention-seeking scene. Or being the wife/mother forced to pretend like it's all fine because to object would be ~bigoted. Can't even get support from society because it's taboo to admit that your husband completely fucked over the family.

gotta do something to get that sweet sweet attention friend

 

[Nekromantik]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...xpectations_for_hrt_were_too_high_now_i_just/ (Archive)

Looks like HRT isn't the magic pill reddit troons say it is. Imagine that.

 

[remiem]

I don't wanna support the insanity and unrealistic expectations they all have, I was gonna say surgery. However considering they're too in debt for it they can consider either the fake bust / chest pieces worn like a shirt or the stand alone breasts only, just like FTM's who stick the fake dicks in their pants for their dysphoria for some reason. Although give how unrealistic their expectations are from this post ¯\(ツ)/¯ Women fake larger tits all the time, just do some googling- you can even grope the fakes ones too!

Spoiler: God FTM packers tho

Packers as they call them are like the weirdest thing to me? Are they expecting to be groped frequently or something? I laugh at the very thought of I HAVE VAGINA DYSPHORIA SO I MUST STICK A FAKE SILICONE LUMP ON MY PANTS TO MIMIC A DICK BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. Ha ha what.

Edit: I also want to tack on that post is a classic example of the truly unrealistic expectations transgenders often have and how they're chasing an unobtainable goal because the goal post keeps moving. It's just like an overweight person who thinks losing weight will solve all their problems. Sure, it does solve some of them that are weight related but it isn't a snap your fingers and it's all better cure to things. If you don't fix the underlying mental issues making you hate yourself so much and be in such a bad place mentally you're never going to better.

Edit, edit: Phew lawd. The post history for that user is something else. The literal slope of! it'll fix everything! to orchiectomy / cutting off parts of themselves. To a downward spiral as it doesn't work out the way they expect and constant posts seeking validation. They don't need hormones. They need good therapy.

 

[janekop]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...xpectations_for_hrt_were_too_high_now_i_just/ (Archive)

"It's a terrible, awful injustice that you and I were both robbed of our opportunities to develop like all those women you see at concerts, like all those beautiful actresses you see at the Oscars." That's from the top comment on that thread.

Of course you're going to be disappointed when HRT doesn't make you look like fucking Brie Larson or Charlize Theron. I'm pretty sure 99% of ""biological"" women would sure like to look like them.

But what really gets me is the entitlement, as if it's cosmically unfair that they weren't born beautiful women. I've seen so many posts "why bother transitioning if I'm not going to be beautiful". The detachment from the reality of life as a woman (life as like a person in reality as well) is massive and fueled by narcissism. The universe doesn't owe you anything. Sure it sucks to have gender dysphoria (the minority of them that actually have it), but it's not unjust that estrogen didn't make you a supermodel. It made your body a poor imitation of a female one, and that's all it'll ever do.

 

[Cool kitties club]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...xpectations_for_hrt_were_too_high_now_i_just/ (Archive)
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Looks like HRT isn't the magic pill reddit troons say it is. Imagine that.

Wow who would have thought estrogen won't give you gigantic anime titties. Do they forget real women can have different sized breasts besides giant hentai ones.

 

[Ann Berlin]

Women should always leave troons though, at a minimum because troons inevitably spend the entire marital income/wealth on trooning.

If I've learned anything from reading Reddit drama, it's to trust no man, lady, or manlady: Always keep a separate bank account.

 

[Wallace]

But what really gets me is the entitlement, as if it's cosmically unfair that they weren't born beautiful women. I've seen so many posts "why bother transitioning if I'm not going to be beautiful". The detachment from the reality of life as a woman (life as like a person in reality as well) is massive and fueled by narcissism. The universe doesn't owe you anything. Sure it sucks to have gender dysphoria (the minority of them that actually have it), but it's not unjust that estrogen didn't make you a supermodel. It made your body a poor imitation of a female one, and that's all it'll ever do.

That's my guess: we're seeing some type of narcissistic rage when the transgender false self doesn't live up to expectation and threatens to expose the true self. Some of it may be true NPD, for others it's used to express or excuse feelings and behaviors they're not comfortable with.

Begin with someone whose sense of self-worth is threatened heavily by shame. Perhaps they are dealing with having some desires of behaviors which their peers describe as deviant, such as repressed homosexuality. (e.g., your average Tumblrina or furry) This lack of acceptance tends to cause a deficiency in their sense of self. Unable to cope with the trauma of everyday social interaction, the subject develops social phobia and feelings of worthlessness and shame.

On the Internet, you can re-invent yourself to be as witty or as brave as you like, reality be damned. People get heavily invested in their online persona, and anything that threatens it or might expose their undesirable RL self needs to be destroyed. This may explain why so many people who live their lives so heavily online tend to chimp out. Threats to their ego are met with rage, and revenge must be enacted in order to regain a sense of control over their environment. It would also explain why there exists a correlation between lolcow-dom and being trans: repressed homosexuality manifesting as autogynephilia. For extremely low self-esteem style narcissists, perhaps this is a type of martyrdom; acquiring narcissistic supply by drawing attention to their suffering. That would be consistent with the behavior style of most SJWs.

They need a way to define away their real self, because the real self is bad. The real self isn't sufficiently masculine or feminine. Imagine being a girl who is chubby and unattractive, or a boy who is skinny and unassertive. Hell, imagine being gay. When who you are makes you feel ashamed, because you're not acting like your gender, the obvious solution is to be another gender. Every single trans desistor story I have read has sounded like this. People declare they are trans to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "I'm a girl, but I like boy stuff rather than girl stuff". It's a bizarrely inverted scheme of peer pressure. Rather than changing your gendered behavior to match your physiological sex, you change your physiological sex to change your gendered behavior. So they adopt this false front of being transgender to relieve the dissonance. Anything that threatens this, threatens to expose the real self, and is met with a reaction akin to narcissistic rage.

The very muddy definitions between physiological sex and socialized gender enable all kinds of mischief. We've seen plenty of it here already. The most tragic of these comes from the regret; when people get real dysphoria from hormones and surgery. After the honeymoon phase of trying out their new identity, their body starts to send those conflicting signals, and they get worse instead of better.

On the issue of entitlement, also watch this.

 

[Hog On Ice]

Seems to me that transition often as not makes their dysphoria worse, since they’re now supposed to have the body of their target sex but the seams are literally visible and it still fails to measure up. Pretty sad.

 

[queue-anon]

If I've learned anything from reading Reddit drama, it's to trust no man, lady, or manlady: Always keep a separate bank account.

That gives you an escape hatch when shit hits the fan, but there are lots of other ways your spouse can fuck you financially.

Sophia Burnett on OITNB was a ridiculous trans ally fantasy of what troons are like. It was bad enough they made Sophia a transbian when he acts like a fabulous drag queen, but the real fantasy was having him rob other people, not his own family, to pay for his transition.

 

[NoFeline]

Aw, I missed so much. Nothing new to add really, just want to point out a couple things..

This dude ripped his 17k cock sock and can't figure out what's wrong

...This one is very obviously just autism.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Sophia Burnett on OITNB was a ridiculous trans ally fantasy of what troons are like. It was bad enough they made Sophia a transbian

Fictional transbians have nothing to do with the real horror. They are how these guys see themselves in their fantasy.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...partner_is_a_transgender_woman_and_my_female/
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He's not worth it

Sever and abort. The fetus may be fucked too.

 

[Ctrl+Alt+Rt]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...partner_is_a_transgender_woman_and_my_female/
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He's not worth it

- woman taking on male roles to make a man feel more girly... troon needs to stick to stereotypical gender roles to feel like a girl while an actual girl needs to expand her gender roles to appease a troon... but... if real girls are taking on male roles than how is eschewing male roles making you more girly. Who can reconcile this shit in their head anymore.

- woman says she's taking on 'male' roles in the relationship while she is:
(1) pregnant and fretting about her husband running away and leaving her for another "woman", asking desperately for help 'how to make mah mans stay!'
(2) enduring controlling, psychological domestic abuse and standing by her man
(3) putting up with threats of cheating over how her husband can't bear to see her body anymore, all because she's envisioned a future with him and invested so much
(4) bending over backwards and betraying her own sexual identity and boundaries to accommodate and please her husband
(5) spending all her time and energy coddling, nurturing, and reassuring him, prioiritising his perpetual demands for attention while neglecting her own feelings and mental/physical health, getting no reciprocation of care or concern while she's actually going through a really difficult actual female experience: pregnancy.

Oh yeah, she's really taking on the male roles in this relationship and he's the one acting peak girl.

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...xpectations_for_hrt_were_too_high_now_i_just/ (Archive)
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Looks like HRT isn't the magic pill reddit troons say it is. Imagine that.

This is what happens when a straight male tries to become his anime waifu: massive dysphoria. You can't look at your own body as if it's supposed to be an object of your own desire without feeling severely dissociated from your body.

Anyway, I stumbled across this and thought it was pretty amusing:

Yes it is a real vagina yes it's covered in scars and looks like Seal's face just like a real vagina yes it is excruciatingly painful like a real vagina but feels wonderful to have a penis inside yes it is completely numb to the touch like a real vagina yes it doesn't lubricate at all like a real vagina yes it is made of penis and anus like a real vagina yes parts of it rot and fall off like a real vagina yes i am so glad i got grs i love it i love my very real true vagina just like real girl complete woman

Ah, mpreg and incest fetishes. How surprising! Also is a TRA who gives lectures to employees of corporate clients about troonery:

I speak to large groups telling my story. I am supposed to do training to managers all over the world for my company for transgender employees their needs and our issues. My life is so much better than I ever could have imagined. I just turned 4 years old!!! I also changed my birth certificate. My previous self no longer exists. I AM Alyna Joli. I was born Alyna I was born female. Nothing can stop me once I make up my mind. I am a woman and I am strong.

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idk ali, doesn't seem to have worked for you.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

https://old.reddit.com/r/asktransge...partner_is_a_transgender_woman_and_my_female/
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He's not worth it

Abort abort abort

Both the baby and that relationship. The dude is a pedo in the making.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Yes it is a real vagina yes it's covered in scars and looks like Seal's face just like a real vagina yes it is excruciatingly painful like a real vagina but feels wonderful to have a penis inside yes it is completely numb to the touch like a real vagina yes it doesn't lubricate at all like a real vagina yes it is made of penis and anus like a real vagina yes parts of it rot and fall off like a real vagina yes i am so glad i got grs i love it i love my very real true vagina just like real girl complete woman

OP has/had obviously doubts. There is a high chance that he will regret the surgery. Asking your troon echo chamber for advice is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Wallace]

You can't look at your own body as if it's supposed to be an object of your own desire without feeling severely dissociated from your body.

Too much of L'il Precious never being told "no", too much of Mommy and Daddy complaining to the Manager or the Principal when something threatens their child's self-esteem.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

I can't wrap my mind around how fathers of young kids can suddenly decide to troon out. There've been a couple of them discussed in this thread: fathers of babies and preschoolers. Sure, be a troon when you're a 22-year-old dumbass or a fat old empty nester with a dead bedroom and nothing better to do but obsess about your fetish. But for most people, having kids is a wake-up call that, holy shit, not everything is about themselves anymore. I can't even fathom having a tiny kid come into my life, completely dependent on my care, and reacting to that by trooning out, basically abdicating my parenting duty and causing a giant attention-seeking scene. Or being the wife/mother forced to pretend like it's all fine because to object would be ~bigoted. Can't even get support from society because it's taboo to admit that your husband completely fucked over the family.

This seems like the ultimate Peter Pan syndrome. At some point, most of us accept that we're going to get old, and whatever teenage pipe dreams we had about life just aren't going to happen. Some asshole looks at his kids or pregnant wife, and decides he's too good for that shit, he's going to skip the whole dad thing, and become a sexy pretty lady whore forevermore.