Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

"Too many people, too many stories, dozens and dozens of them even before Funi"
Why doesn't he share a few with us, if there are so many of them?

Shane and people like Shane rely entirely on the perception that an abundance of allegations being scarier than even a single verifiable account. The more they lean into it, the more it's pretty obvious they don't have anything.

If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have nothing, pound the table. I've a feeling Nick's real familiar with that old adage.
 
The first I heard of any of this was a screech brigade that Vic was a "homophobe" because he refused to sign some pedophilic fetish shit involving underage characters.

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I always crack up when I see the title of this REE thread. It looks like not signing yaoi fan art and saying “holocaust” once are on par with (or worse than) groping teenage girls.
 
Shane and people like Shane rely entirely on the perception that an abundance of allegations being scarier than even a single verifiable account. The more they lean into it, the more it's pretty obvious they don't have anything.

If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have nothing, pound the table. I've a feeling Nick's real familiar with that old adage.
Shane: We need to stop all these Twitter wars going on, and let Vic take some time to redeem himself after what he did.
Nick: What did he do though?
Shane: You know what he did. Cmon.
Nick: No, I don't. Tell me what he supposedly did.
Shane: Ya know... Some, uh... Really not ok stuff.

I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I still can't get over how there's such a clear aversion to lay out the facts and allegations.
 
Shane and people like Shane rely entirely on the perception that an abundance of allegations being scarier than even a single verifiable account. The more they lean into it, the more it's pretty obvious they don't have anything.

If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have nothing, pound the table. I've a feeling Nick's real familiar with that old adage.

Shane might actually be the first real casualty of all this, and the suit hasn't even been filed (nor does he even have to be a Defendant). Meri Davis royally fucked him with that three-word Tweet. She's kinda the matriarch of US anime cons, and people tend to listen to her. He's not in protected mode now because he's deleting shit (he already did that once), he's in protected mode because of the sheer embarrassment.

It's a damn good thing he chairs that tiny con he does, because I don't think he's gonna be entrusted with authority at any major con in the foreseeable future. This is especially true if Vic ends up inflicting financial damage on people going forward. He's forever linked to this shit show because he just had to virtue signal and the laughs were off the charts.
 
I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I still can't get over how there's such a clear aversion to lay out the facts and allegations.

These cultists think they just declare someone problematic and you're obligated to start throwing rocks at them. Even asking what the fuck they supposedly did is a thoughtcrime.

Shane and people like Shane rely entirely on the perception that an abundance of allegations being scarier than even a single verifiable account. The more they lean into it, the more it's pretty obvious they don't have anything.

So far, the allegations are a shit sundae.

They keep trying to put whipped cream on top but it's still a shit sundae.
 
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I always crack up when I see the title of this REE thread. It looks like not signing yaoi fan art and saying “holocaust” once are on par with (or worse than) groping teenage girls.

Wait - even antisemitism?

Edit: Ah, I glossed over the holocaust part. I've only been following this for a week or so and I already forgot about that one.
 
Well, we just need Lindsay and JesuOtaku. We'll have a CA lolcow crossover.

We already have JesuOtaku via ANN's involvement, and Lupa is cheering on MarzGurl.

I kinda wonder whether CA had at least a modicum of taste. Lindsay won the Nostalgic Chick competition, and she's (in a relative sense) the only one that has had any sort of success outside of CA. The runners up (Lupa and MarzGurl) are the very definition of pathetic.

It's a coin toss as to whether that's because of CA, or in spite of it.
 
It looks like not signing yaoi fan art and saying “holocaust” once are on par with (or worse than) groping teenage girls.
I'll never understand why people think heaping all of these -isms onto one person is effective. In their minds, I know they think that it's a moral scorched earth tactic but all it's ever done is make rational people skeptical of the accusation. Most people don't think that a very public-facing person like Vic is actually someone that drastically different in private.

It's a damn good thing he chairs that tiny con he does, because I don't think he's gonna be entrusted with authority at any major con in the foreseeable future. This is especially true if Vic ends up inflicting financial damage on people going forward. He's forever linked to this shit show because he just had to virtue signal and the laughs were off the charts.
My schadenfreude boner is rock hard for when people who think they're scoring points for a moral crusade have reality crash down around them. This really isn't playing out like he thought he was.

I'm still shitter-shattered he tried to pull that goddamn "you're not the right voice for this conversation" shtick. They really can't picture a world outside of their own fantasies.


Goku noooo
 
Shane: We need to stop all these Twitter wars going on, and let Vic take some time to redeem himself after what he did.
Nick: What did he do though?
Shane: You know what he did. Cmon.
Nick: No, I don't. Tell me what he supposedly did.
Shane: Ya know... Some, uh... Really not ok stuff.

I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I still can't get over how there's such a clear aversion to lay out the facts and allegations.

Probably so he doesn't get reamed for defamation and slander.
 
Probably so he doesn't get reamed for defamation and slander.
It's funny he's got the wherewithal to cover his ass and then fail to keep his trap shut about those 'things that are not okay now' from 20 years ago or whatever.

I don't even know what possessed him to go into that tangent. I felt like I was watching a car wreck in slow motion. I hope someone digs into that.
 
It would be great if this became a cottage industry. "Has someone accused you of a sexual assault you didn't commit? Has a blue checkmark gotten you fired for your choice of avatar? You might be entitled to compensation. Turn their virtue signalling into cash with YouTube Lawyers 4 U.".
That should legit happen. I'm sick and tired of SJWs ruining lives for Twitter woke points.

If Nintendo Treehouse is anything to go by, they also assume (sometimes correctly) that their corporate overlords in Japan will believe whatever BS they feed them, and if there's any doubt there's some mainstream forum or site backing up their narrative.
The fuck happened with Nintendo Treehouse?
We already have JesuOtaku via ANN's involvement, and Lupa is cheering on MarzGurl.

I kinda wonder whether CA had at least a modicum of taste. Lindsay won the Nostalgic Chick competition, and she's (in a relative sense) the only one that has had any sort of success outside of CA. The runners up (Lupa and MarzGurl) are the very definition of pathetic.

It's a coin toss as to whether that's because of CA, or in spite of it.
It's funny how Angry Joe, Atop the Fourth Wall, MasakoX, Chris Stuckmann, Anime Abandon, Todd in the Shadows, Dtoons, and Film Brain are the only ones to come out of Channel Awesome with a modicum of success. Everyone else became cultural fodder.
 
So I was observing some of the usual shitheads involved in this Autism and I noticed something I've decided to share with you all.

There's a curious thing going on. Something that none of the brain trusts involved in fucking thing are willing to acknowledge, let alone face up to, but holy shit is it fascinating to watch. They're losing control in the most critical of locations: Their own fanbases. You can see it in the Mother's Basement sperg-outs and a few others, but it boils down like this:

  1. Anti-Vic sperg makes ludicrous statement and declares disagreement to be harassment.
  2. Former fan pulls the @GethN7 manuever, points out the logic error without losing temper.
  3. Anti-Vic sperg doubles down.
  4. Former fan, now with visible back-up from other former fans, points out that there's been multiple hoaxes and no actual evidence, suggesting that the entire thing is a crock.
  5. Anti-Vic sperg pretends the thread never happened, goes on to restart at step 1 a few hours later.
 
I still can't get over the fact that Nick clearly explained that one type of conspiracy is comprised of two parties in a legal "tort" (whatever that is) and Shane then proceeded to clearly state that he's in direct communication with at least one other party to get him re-invited to cons "if only he does some random undefined thing and lays low a few months".

I would love to know from some of the real lawyers here if you think Shane's statements about being in communications with those other con's \ third parties might meet whatever the definition of that version of conspiracy is?

I know Nick said Shane's statements were close to extortion, but would his comments on that stream open him up to potentially being deposed or named in the conspiracy part of the suit?

This whole thing is fascinating just on the legal angle alone, especially now that Rekeita has spent so much time explaining it.
 
I still can't get over the fact that Nick clearly explained that one type of conspiracy is comprised of two parties in a legal "tort" (whatever that is) and Shane then proceeded to clearly state that he's in direct communication with at least one other party to get him re-invited to cons "if only he does some random undefined thing and lays low a few months".

I would love to know from some of the real lawyers here if you think Shane's statements about being in communications with those other con's \ third parties might meet whatever the definition of that version of conspiracy is?

It certainly hints at the existence of such a thing, and Rackets might have an opinion on this at some point, but civil conspiracy is a very complicated cause of action and, more importantly, has heightened pleading requirements.

I'll explain that briefly. Ordinarily, to plead a cause of action requires simply making a factual statement about something the defendant did and then a legal statement that this action constituted an actionable event that is being sued over. This is called "notice pleading" and need merely be sufficient to let the defendant know in brief outline what he is being accused of so that he can respond to it.

Some other causes of action, such as defamation, require that the pleading be more specific and describe the actions (in defamation these are generally statements) specifically and how they were defamatory.

Conspiracy requires even higher standards, and requires that the conspiracy actually be set out in specific communications between the parties being accused of conspiring. Because this a pleading requirement rather than a burden of proof, one has to plead it at the outset, in the original filing of the claim.

And also because of that, this must be pled before any discovery has occurred. One can no longer simply plead conspiracy and then based on that seek discovery to prove the initial allegations. It has to be supported, up front, with allegations of specific communications that constitute the conspiracy, or are at least sufficient to establish that some sort of conspiracy occurred.

The vague statements of Shane, as stupid as they are, aren't going to rise to that level, nor even to the level where they would, by themselves, even justify discovery on the issue.

If you want more on the current state of civil conspiracy pleading, the two leading cases are Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544 (2007); Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662 (2009).

You might ask "well how would you even file such a case if you can't even get discovery into it?" That would be a reasonable question and probably worth discussion later, and I'd assume Vic's lawyers have some plan in this regard, which they aren't going to talk about publicly.

But my brief offhand idea is that you already have a solid defamation cause of action assuming these claims are false, and as such, broad latitude for discovery into the background of the already known defamatory statements that definitely meet the threshold pleading requirements.

So it's very likely that in discovery related to the defamation and to any due diligence or actual malice involved, any actual conspiracy-related material would tend to come out. So if that's there, they're going to find it. If they do get the evidence to back up such a cause of action, they can then file an amended complaint re-alleging the defamation claims and throwing in the conspiracy.

This is assuming they don't get together enough stuff to plead conspiracy at the outset. Still, I wouldn't put much stock in that angle of attack. Conspiracy is a sexy cause of action that people like sperging about but it is complicated, expensive and often just not worth bothering with.

The big plus is if you can get over the hurdles and successfully plead it, you get everyone (including the guys with the deep deep pockets) on the hook for the full damages even if it's some schmuck conspirator with no money who actually did the shittiest things that got you the judgment.

But you can get this with a joint and several liability theory without conspiracy.
 
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So I'm curious: What makes you all think that the judicial system isn't packed full of autistic lolcows like every other aspect of society?
All judges in Texas are elected, from the justice of the peace at the bottom who handles traffic tickets all the way to the surpreme court and court of criminal appeals, that's why Texas hands out so many death sentences.
 
All judges in Texas are elected, from the justice of the peace at the bottom who handles traffic tickets all the way to the surpreme court and court of criminal appeals, that's why Texas hands out so many death sentences.

Federal judges aren't. There's a reasonable chance this winds up in federal court.
 
We already have JesuOtaku via ANN's involvement, and Lupa is cheering on MarzGurl.

I'm not sure how much JesuOtaku is involved, but shes retweeting another ANN writer who says "we/ANN started down this path" JesuOtaku is listed as associate editor.

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As other have said Lynzee Loveridge appears to be more involved.
 
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