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They just think that all their stupid reports about him will lead to him being disbarred. I expect that by now a form letter has been drawn up to send in response to complaints about Nick. All they're doing is wasting the regulatory agency's time.

They're used to their numbers mattering and in this case they don't. A thousand spurious complaints aren't going to be any more effective than one spurious complaint.
Is Nick acting like a prick on twitter? Arguably, depending on your viewpoint. Is he bringing the reputation of the profession into disrepute? No, absolutely not. He has been very clear that he is not Vic's lawyer, and is simply helping him with the fundraiser and giving his opinion. Any reports would be spurious and a waste of time.

-Hello, I'm calling to report a lawyer for his behaviour.
-Ok, what has he done whilst representing you?
-Oh, he never represented me, I'm just..
*puts down phone, or throws document into the trash, depending on the form of the complaint.

They probably would fuck up the report to the regulatory agency. Competency is not their strong point. Remember the Money Badgers and their inability to file documentation properly? I would expect something similar of these people.
 
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Which is part of the magic of the community forum. The internet allows you to only talk to your in group for so long, you forget how to act.

They have lost track of even basic societal shit like having to prove an accusation. Note how quickly they REEEEE and throw tantrums and click block buttons when simply asked if they can actually prove anything. They actually live in an Alice in Wonderland fantasy where the punishment comes instantly as soon as the accusation and literally, nobody but a "Nazi" ever asks for evidence.

They are going to get completely wrecked in the "Nazi" court system with racist things like burdens of proof and standards of evidence.

Whether it's true or false doesn't even really matter. Either way it's something which contradicts the claim that Vic has always been overly friendly with fans.

About the only accusation I still give any credence is that some bitter crazy fujoshit nutjobs have held a grudge for literally years because Vic wouldn't sign their gay child porn.

-Hello, I'm calling to report a lawyer for his behaviour.
-Ok, what has he done whilst representing you?
-Oh, he never represented me, I'm just..
*puts down phone, or throws document into the trash, depending on the form of the complaint.

-He said I was filled with soy!
pauses
[Opens mouth, soy pours out.]
 
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BoycottMatsuri is basically leveraging the KickVic thing to draw attention to her cause.
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The Stan Vic guys were getting real pissed off, when too many responded with "innocent until proven guilty", BoycottMatsuri went on a huge blockspree.
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She also got involved in arguing with the Stan Vic guys earlier in Feb.

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Hey guys GUYS! I found a victim who said they filed something, and no one bothered checking for 9 years. Not even the KickVic people.

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I'm not expert in law, but weren't Vic's public records posted earlier in this thread proving there had never been any police reports filed on him?
 
I'm not expert in law, but weren't Vic's public records posted earlier in this thread proving there had never been any police reports filed on him?

I doubt that police reports would show up in a public records search. That's usually limited to things for which you've at least been charged.

Any reports would be spurious and a waste of time.

-Hello, I'm calling to report a lawyer for his behaviour.
-Ok, what has he done whilst representing you?
-Oh, he never represented me, I'm just..
*puts down phone, or throws document into the trash, depending on the form of the complaint.

They probably would fuck up the report to the regulatory agency. Competency is not their strong point. Remember the Money Badgers and their inability to file documentation properly? I would expect something similar of these people.

Thanks to Melinda Scott, we know that the Minnesota Ethics Commission reads and responds to even stupid complaints.

 
Not Mormons, think more overseas. They're younger than Mormons but just as crazy.


They are kinda proud that they are members of their religion so they put it on their resumes. It's also a signal for other members to hire them.

Bahá'í, perhaps? A friend of mine converted to that a few years before his passing. From what I understand, they're basically Mormon Muslims and somehow the two varieties of insanity cancel each other out.
 
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Remember, several jurisdictions want to force lawyers to sign an oath of Social Justice or somesuch claptrap, which would mean some Dangerhair calling you racist would literally be enough to get you disbarred.

All they can actually make you sign or swear to is to uphold the Constitution and the law.

Texas has a pretty standard example:

ATTORNEY’S OATH
I, ___
do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitutions of the United States,
and of this state; that I will honestly demean myself in the practice of law; that
I will discharge my duties to my clients to the best of my ability; and that I will
conduct myself with integrity and civility in dealing and communicating with
the court and all parties. So help me God.



And yes if you feel like it you can go euphoric and affirm.

BoycottMatsuri is basically leveraging the KickVic thing to draw attention to her cause.
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The Stan Vic guys were getting real pissed off, when too many responded with "innocent until proven guilty", BoycottMatsuri went on a huge blockspree.
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She also got involved in arguing with the Stan Vic guys earlier in Feb.

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Isn't this douche trying to convince people to boycott something? Wouldn't it make sense not to block the very people you're trying to convince?

Yeah, yeah, I forgot, no proof, the accusation is itself proof.
 
If some danger hair calls me a CIS white Nazi demon-kin it would just devastate me. I would be rolling in my bed trying to sleep but it would be all in vain because my heart is split in twain. They would find me dead with my sins scrawled upon the wall. But worst of all I will be remembered to be on the wrong side of history. I'm shaking, I'm literally shaking in tears.
 
Yeah, I'm not calling for him to be run out of Houston, lose his businesses, or whatever. So I don't think I'm being hypocritical here. I'm just saying having Anime Matsuri closely associated with Vic might not be such a hot idea. Vic hasn't displayed any of the creepy-ass behaviors Leigh has.

The girls over on the BP posted that an overwhelming majority of the EGL community will not associate with AM because they think the guy is a straight up creeper. That doesn't describe Vic.

Having him involved in this might almost be like having Zoom or KingofPol involved in it.

I think people tend to falling into the trap of many people online who equate people along group identity lines. But your logic, if you were contracted by a company, and the CEO was known for hitting on his junior colleagues and shady business practices. Then you must be a bad person, and approve of the CEOs lifestyle, because you associated with that company, whether you knew of that information or not. You contract isn't just a contract, its a political statement to everyone around you.

The main things I'm worried about WRT Matsuri are:
  1. They'll use this situation to try and draw attention away from their shady history...
    1. A. ...and use that opportunity to take advantage of some other person or group. GoFundMe scans aren't unheard of, and they'd probably be less complicated than some of their earlier antics (like the fraudulent wholesale auto-parts scam).
  2. That Vic isn't aware of their past & they might use his situation (few cons willing to take him) to exploit him, say collecting fees for his autographs & not actually paying him or providing his room & board.
I don't think he has too much to worry about WRT association. Most of the people who'd go that route probably already hate Vic based on the allegations. The main non-monetary consequence I could see would be if scenario 1A played out & Vic felt responsible for those guys taking advantage of his fans.

So let's break this down a tiny bit. Set aside all of Leigh's attitudes, creepyness etc etc.

This guy, or his team around him, are one hell of a set of smart business people. See, the other cons have basically dumped Vic straight away, not even so much as a note of apology. His fanbase, and a lot of the wider fan base, are pissed at the metooing of some guy who's record is pretty much squeaky clean despite the defamation that has gone on this last month or so. Never mind the hilarity of Pensacon threatening all the attendees who wanted to stand by Vic.

Right now, they are just one of two Cons this year with Vic featured as a guest, and they've chosen to ride on the fact thousands of people are watching this to make noise about it.

They get to play the good guys in this situation as a convention. This will also likely have a good impact on the attendance and business as, again, it's just one of two cons currently with Vic to hand. And the fanclub will travel to show their support and love. Which translates into more tickets, more hotel rooms booked, more attendees and more merch and other stuff bilked away. I am so far surprised that nobody's printing or offering to print a #IStandWithVic shirt with the promise of "some proceeds" going to the GFM or something.

The top level optics do not matter, Leigh's optics do not matter when he's now competently run a convention that manages to process 40,000+ attendees and god knows how many artists and guests.

When you're operating at that kind of scale you're always going to have a few people annoyed they don't get the instant platinum plate service when they have an issue because jesus christ this thing is huge. It's a bit like complaining about Wal*Mart. Doesn't change it's a competently run business at scale that's making a very calculated bet.

I'm not expert in law, but weren't Vic's public records posted earlier in this thread proving there had never been any police reports filed on him?

Ya, this guy really is hilariously clean. Like never an assault, a speeding or parking ticket. Literally nothing.
 
When you're operating at that kind of scale you're always going to have a few people annoyed they don't get the instant platinum plate service when they have an issue because jesus christ this thing is huge.

As much as this stuff doesn't look good to me it would actually be pretty unique if anyone ran a con and turned out to be completely normal with nobody complaining about them. I don't think Vic should outright marry the guy or some shit, though.
 
As much as this stuff doesn't look good to me it would actually be pretty unique if anyone ran a con and turned out to be completely normal with nobody complaining about them. I don't think Vic should outright marry the guy or some shit, though.

Christ no. Anime Matsuri is being completely mercenary with this decision though if you look at it from a bidnezz perspective. The other cons cucked out so quickly that they won't be able to repair matters in time, never mind other Cons being run by people who were basically telling attendees they'd have them arrested for wrongthink.

I'd honestly be suspicious of cons not run by some kind of weirdo that didn't have a bunch of spergs whining they didn't get everything perfect and exact when they're literally Stall #989b on some staffer's clipboard list helping make up the numbers though.
 
Christ no. Anime Matsuri is being completely mercenary with this decision though if you look at it from a bidnezz perspective. The other cons cucked out so quickly that they won't be able to repair matters in time, never mind other Cons being run by people who were basically telling attendees they'd have them arrested for wrongthink.

I'd honestly be suspicious of cons not run by some kind of weirdo that didn't have a bunch of spergs whining they didn't get everything perfect and exact when they're literally Stall #989b on some staffer's clipboard list helping make up the numbers though.

Boycott Matsuri has been trying to get people to not go since January 2018. Posts in Japanese, Portugese, Spanish, etc directly to vendors to tell them not to come because once you drop off your kids, Woody Allen grabs them.

When really it's just one guy that wants to bang Gothic Lolita girls, and his wife that looks the other way, you can take his gifts, kick him in the balls and go home if you want. But this seems to be the way they want to play it.

Many vendors have cancelled due to their influence. Having Vic is a huge boon for them since Tyler has been convincing artists not to attend.
 
Boycott Matsuri has been trying to get people to not go since January 2018. Posts in Japanese, Portugese, Spanish, etc directly to vendors to tell them not to come because once you drop off your kids, Woody Allen grabs them.

When really it's just one guy that wants to bang Gothic Lolita girls, and his wife that looks the other way, you can take his gifts, kick him in the balls and go home if you want. But this seems to be the way they want to play it.

Many vendors have cancelled due to their influence. Having Vic is a huge boon for them since Tyler has been convincing artists not to attend.

There is that laundry list of civil suits & ripped off business partners longer than my arm. I'm not particularly thrilled with a pair of con artists being given more opportunities to take advantage of people.
 
There is that laundry list of civil suits & ripped off business partners longer than my arm. I'm not particularly thrilled with a pair of con artists being given more opportunities to take advantage of people.

Yes, but BoycottMatsuri makes those allegations secondary, or sometimes doesn't mention them at all. Most of the account is directed towards John and his advances on EGL girls in particular.

I swear to god, if I dig later and BoycottMatsuri turns out to be Shane or something, I'm going to write a three-page article on him, minimum, for the Wiki.

I already made a thread.
 
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I would be surprised if vic didnt notify the beard and the amazon legion of doom IF (and this is a big IF) a police report was filed. If not vic is an idiot. If he actually did this then fuck him but at this point chances are looking low for this to be legitimate.
 
I would be surprised if vic didnt notify the beard and the amazon legion of doom IF (and this is a big IF) a police report was filed. If not vic is an idiot. If he actually did this then fuck him but at this point chances are looking low for this to be legitimate.

There's never been a police report filed. If there was one of us lot would've tracked something down by now. Even just hints and rumours of one have had us searching for stuff before (see Mark Waid and the Comic Store incident).
 
Savannah Mega Comic Con still has Vic on their guest list too, so that makes at least 3 cons he will be showing up at.
 
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