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The Nutshack is good. I find some of the jokes actually funny.
Unpopular Opinions About Western Animation
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The Estatist
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It was hardly just others writing them off as too hard without knowing the risks. We were told in the episode about Zuko studying lightningbending that it required a cleared mind (important since firebending is supposed to be passionate) and separating the yin from the yang otherwise you just made an explosion. Lavabending was again only done by an Avatar. Toph learned to metalbend as an extension of her disability. You might have a point with bloodbending, and even then Hama never achieved the stunts Amon was pulling.
The overuse of rare bending (both in regards to returning skills like lightningbending and also tricks like Unalaq's spiritbending) was an example of how the showrunners tried too hard to make characters in LoK "cool" or threatening in the case of the villains. Or even fanservicey like how the White Lotus were just Korra's minions.
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Kick Buttowski was a good show
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Even after all is said and done in this decade of Disney cartoons, I think Penn Zero: PTH is still Disney's most criminally underrated cartoon, hands down. Not the absolute best I've ever seen mind you, but I reslect it for looking different, having a great concept, and actually being funny to me.
I could say the same about Randy Cunningham 9th Grade Ninja and Tangled: TAS / Rapunzel's Tangles Adventure. Good, consistent presentation/artstyles/animation, an actual point to their madness I can definitely get behind unlike some other shows people worship out there (concept-wise) and just all around hilarious and fun to watch when I can get away with it.
I enjoy ALL 3 examples much more than that of Star Vs., to put it lightly. Which is a shame, since I wanted to like Star Vs., too - there's just too much crap holding it back for me, no matter how much people love to lick it's boots and whatnot.
It's rough sometimes for me, feeling like I'm sometimes the only person on the whole damn internet who can easily defend each of these 3 shows on their own merits.
Would you say better than The Loud House? I don't mind if you do and don't blame you, either.
I could say the same about Randy Cunningham 9th Grade Ninja and Tangled: TAS / Rapunzel's Tangles Adventure. Good, consistent presentation/artstyles/animation, an actual point to their madness I can definitely get behind unlike some other shows people worship out there (concept-wise) and just all around hilarious and fun to watch when I can get away with it.
I enjoy ALL 3 examples much more than that of Star Vs., to put it lightly. Which is a shame, since I wanted to like Star Vs., too - there's just too much crap holding it back for me, no matter how much people love to lick it's boots and whatnot.
It's rough sometimes for me, feeling like I'm sometimes the only person on the whole damn internet who can easily defend each of these 3 shows on their own merits.
Would you say better than The Loud House? I don't mind if you do and don't blame you, either.
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Billy and Mandy had some good slapstick moments.
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Spiderverse had some pretty great slapstick imo
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I never liked Bolin and I thought him getting lavabending was always bullshit. I swear the first time we see it on screen, Avatar Roku is clearly applying firebending technique over the convention currents of his burning house to heat up the rock to turn it into lava. You got rocks, you got heat, you got a liquid-like substance. You probably need to be the god damn Avatar to bend that shit, but no, it goes to Bolin who is a waste of a main character slot because he needed something other than being the 'funny' fat guy. I don't know wtf they were thinking with his relationship with the Water Tribe twin, they spent like a whole season showing that he's genuinely terrified of her but in the finale, he kisses her (and allows him and his bro to escape), Mako's like "haha good one Bolin" but he turns around crying because he really did like her all along?
You could count the amount of lightning benders on one hand in ATLA, it's a friggin spiritual art, seeing people lightning bend as human generators in Steampunk China is a woefully snapshot of what LOK did to Avatar's worldbuilding.
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Big Hero 6: TAS is just about the only Marvel-based cartoon I like in this whole decade that isn't Spectacular Spider-Man (which ended before the new decade began.), Avengers: EMH, and/or Iron Man Armored Adventures. Disney seriously needs to quit with Marvel cartoons in general. Outside of BH6: TAS for me, none of them are good and deserve to be forgotten, honestly.
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Bolin is just a failed retread Sokka in that he's the "funny/wacky one" while Asami is a failed Sokka in that she's the "tech one." The show struggled to keep the Republic City Trio relevant as the series moved out of it.
The way they settled the twins' was wonky. On one hand, we're shown they were Unalaq's sidekicks who even tried to kill Korra. On the other hand, they suddenly turn on Unalaq and talk about how he was a meanie after Korra killed him off. So what, did they even believe in what Unalaq was doing? Just cowards? I don't know.
Again, bending was stripped of its proper spiritual significance in LoK. Treated like Marvel Mutant powers.
It wasn't just bending. Spirits themselves lost it, being treated as not the Avatar World's answer to kami and fay but instead a cross between Hiyao Miyazaki and Mon who hate humans for killing the trees.
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- The Last Airbender is a very overrated cartoon as I feel it is just okay and the fans overhype it's themes. While I acknowledge it's good points, it's not that groundbreaking.
- Anyone who thinks that a western cartoon takes inspiration from an anime art style means that it's anime is a fucking idiot because it's only just to take inspiration from an aesthetic the creators either like or just want to cash in on.
- I don't like how comedic episodic cartoons try to have overarching epics as though it were an adventure cartoon with strict continuity and go the next few episodes going back to dumb jokes which isn't bad but comes across as a major mood whiplash (i.e. Steven Universe and Adventure Time).
- Some cartoon fans are honestly very insecure people because they claim they like a show for how it is but then at the same time say how it appeals to them by referencing movies they watched as a kid or watched way before that show was made (i.e. Bronies)
- Anyone who thinks that a western cartoon takes inspiration from an anime art style means that it's anime is a fucking idiot because it's only just to take inspiration from an aesthetic the creators either like or just want to cash in on.
- I don't like how comedic episodic cartoons try to have overarching epics as though it were an adventure cartoon with strict continuity and go the next few episodes going back to dumb jokes which isn't bad but comes across as a major mood whiplash (i.e. Steven Universe and Adventure Time).
- Some cartoon fans are honestly very insecure people because they claim they like a show for how it is but then at the same time say how it appeals to them by referencing movies they watched as a kid or watched way before that show was made (i.e. Bronies)
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Not sure how much of this is "unpopular" but here goes.
- As much as I dislike "sameface" and the Steven Universe art style that infects western animation currently, anime is also very samey, more so than most western animation. I think I would prefer sameface over the jagged, jarring style of a lot of today's anime.
- Seasons 1-5 of Adventure Time is the best for me. I lost interest in Season 6 because of how aimless the show seemed, and it honestly it got too "weird", even for myself. I enjoy a good story but I also don't like it when shows, like AT, decide to go HAM every single episode so missing one means you have to worry about story spoilers and being lost. I also think the show runners made everything about the show complicated for the sake of being more complicated (i.e. Gunther actually being a million year old demon or something. I don't hate it as a thing, per se, but I don't see why it was necessary).
- If Sanjay and Craig premiered in the 1990s, everyone would be heralding it as A Great 90s Nicktoon ™ along with Ren and Stimpy and all the other gross shows the 90s Kid Elite™ worship.
- That being said, if you ignore the gross out humor (which IIRC wasn't as prevalent early on) I found Sanjay and Craig quietly clever as a show. I think I may have liked it when I was younger because it was more realistic, when the current programming was saturated with fantasy stuff like SU.
- The Loud House isn't that great. I think I like the concept better than the finished product. TLH is merely a piece of fool's gold in the pile of dirt that is most of Nick's current programming, so it looks better than it is; it's mediocre.
That's honestly why I didn't like it. It felt like an alien environment: movie theatres, advanced weaponry, most of the characters from TLA are dead, etc. I know it's fiction but I find it hard to believe they went from being tribal and Ancient-China-y to suddenly 3200.
- As much as I dislike "sameface" and the Steven Universe art style that infects western animation currently, anime is also very samey, more so than most western animation. I think I would prefer sameface over the jagged, jarring style of a lot of today's anime.
- Seasons 1-5 of Adventure Time is the best for me. I lost interest in Season 6 because of how aimless the show seemed, and it honestly it got too "weird", even for myself. I enjoy a good story but I also don't like it when shows, like AT, decide to go HAM every single episode so missing one means you have to worry about story spoilers and being lost. I also think the show runners made everything about the show complicated for the sake of being more complicated (i.e. Gunther actually being a million year old demon or something. I don't hate it as a thing, per se, but I don't see why it was necessary).
- If Sanjay and Craig premiered in the 1990s, everyone would be heralding it as A Great 90s Nicktoon ™ along with Ren and Stimpy and all the other gross shows the 90s Kid Elite™ worship.
- That being said, if you ignore the gross out humor (which IIRC wasn't as prevalent early on) I found Sanjay and Craig quietly clever as a show. I think I may have liked it when I was younger because it was more realistic, when the current programming was saturated with fantasy stuff like SU.
- The Loud House isn't that great. I think I like the concept better than the finished product. TLH is merely a piece of fool's gold in the pile of dirt that is most of Nick's current programming, so it looks better than it is; it's mediocre.
That's honestly why I didn't like it. It felt like an alien environment: movie theatres, advanced weaponry, most of the characters from TLA are dead, etc. I know it's fiction but I find it hard to believe they went from being tribal and Ancient-China-y to suddenly 3200.
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The evolution from an ancient world where everything is lit by fire and steam technology is just beginning to be a thing to a world where megastadiums, skyscrapers, and fucking giant mechas exist in a timespan of 60-odd years is just way too jarring for me tbh. My suspension of disbelief is high, but not high enough to accept several hundred years of progress (in an extremely segregated world, to boot) happening in a timeframe that's younger than my grandma.
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Personally I was totally cool with the tech change. Taking the story in wholly new directions is what any good sequel should do. It's a fantasy story for children, not a thoroughly researched work of historical fiction. Getting ancy over the "realism" of the changes is autism.
The problem is the character aspect was significantly weaker so not only were we in an unfamiliar environment we couldn't care about anyone in it. My comparison is the Star Wars Prequels, where we suddenly jumped from grody lived-in backwater environments to shiny clean blue screens populated with boring monotoned freaks devoid of humanity or humor.
The problem is the character aspect was significantly weaker so not only were we in an unfamiliar environment we couldn't care about anyone in it. My comparison is the Star Wars Prequels, where we suddenly jumped from grody lived-in backwater environments to shiny clean blue screens populated with boring monotoned freaks devoid of humanity or humor.
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The technology could have been acceptable if the show didn't also include obvious Western fashions and social structures (see the ending where Prince Wu suddenly declares the Earth Kingdom is a bunch of democracies in what reeks of Freedum-tier silliness).
Again they might as well have just made a new IP if they were going to bulldoze the setting. Mind you, this isn't just about the technology. There's also the clashing depictions of:
A. Bending.
B. Spirits and their world.
C. What the Avatar is and does.
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Old comment, but isn't it interesting that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences seems to hate motion pictures?
What do they mean by this?
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Did cartoons really get worse, or did you just get older? What a coincidence, the golden age of animation always happens to coincide with sperg XYZ's childhood.
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Well, it's like they say, the world was at its peak when you were 10 years old, after all...
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That sounds about right. At that point, you think you know everything there is to know, yet that's still not possible at that age, yet we like to think we had it all tied down.
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I'd like to argue that it's a little of Column A, a little of Column B. Cartoons these days are undoubtedly of lower quality than those of the past, but that isn't to say those old shows aren't always as good as you think they were.