🐷 Ethan Oliver Ralph / TheRalphRetort / Rad Roberts / Jcaesar187 / Rage Pig / "Killstream" / "Tequila Sunrise" - 5'1'' fat alcoholic, owner of a gunt, convicted felon and revenge pornographer, property of the ugly failed tranny pornstar Lucas Roberts. Has quadruple titties.

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That is a completely baseless interpretation of the quote you've posted. It is not even alluded to in the quote and would be completely ridiculous in practice. Obviously both the production and possession of questionable but not undoubtedly illegal content is being judged based on the specific context.


The moralfagging started the moment it came out, with things a la "I can't believe these scumbags have disrupted an FBI investigation".
People have a right to be pissed off that two morons approached a very serious and precarious situation that in all likelihood was being handled by a multitude of law enforcement agencies with a very nonchalant attitude and the tact expected of two retards with room temperature IQs looking to make a couple quick paypig bucks. The anger only increased because when the situation blew up, they proceeded to pilpul the shit out of it with absurd excuses instead of owning it, which seems to be a reoccurring theme with these two.
 
Yeah of course it's pure speculation, the feds don't advertise honeypots. The reason why it's very likely that it is in fact a sting operation is that it's right out in the open on one of the biggest social media apps.
I don't find it very likely. I don't believe it's safe to assume to every single pedo gathering is guaranteed to be a honeypot. It seems to me that people just want to assume this was true in order to paint what they did as damaging, rather than just stupid. If every pedo ring was known to the FBI, we probably wouldn't have pedo rings.

I don't even think Andy downloaded the CP folder, however I'm still a bit dubious about the whole thing with the British girl. Isn't she supposed to be an underage girl who used to sell her nudes or something?
If you're talking about Indigo White, I believe she had a """fitness blog""" on tumblr while underage.

though I haven't seen anybody acting as if though they committed a greivous sin itt, which again you've yet to provide a single example
I'm sorry, but expecting me to go through hundreds of pages just to provide you examples is not the type of autism I'm willing to engage in today. The examples I can recollect distinctly enough to describe to a recognizable degree would be a post by Secret Agent filled with outrage on the basis of a hypothetical FBI investigation, emails to Jared Holt, calls to the police by /cow/ and, further removed, a recent stream by Godwinson.

The criticism that I've always seen in Ralph's, Andy's and the thrashfire threads have always been about them being morons who did potentially illegal shit just so they could virtue signal and get some heat off them. Hanging out with women who are known to have manufactured porn while underage while exposing pedos is a bad look by itself, but then you have all the exceptional things they were saying in the stream that SoCal Chris immediately realized could be taken out of context and had the video yanked off YouTube.
There's nothing wrong with talking about it, and as far as the "moralfagging" about the ethics of possibly interrupting an FBI honeypot and alerting whatever actual pedos were involved regardless in an attempt to both build good will and distract from recent fuckups, well if you want to call being annoyed, irritated, or even angry (though I haven't seen anybody acting as if though they committed a greivous sin itt, which again you've yet to provide a single example) about that then that's your prerogative.
I’ve been viewing this thread way before the pedo stream and way after. There has been no one calling Andy or Ralph a pedophile. Just idiotic.
Please stop this talk of ‘ethics in laughing at stupidity’. No one cares.
I don't believe anyone directly called them pedophiles and I did not mean what I said to imply that. Rather, a lot of people here, on /cow/ and elsewhere insist on painting the events in an extraordinarily negative light that far exceeds the reality of the stupidity of what transpired on that stream.

Yes, it was retarded. I want to be careful with my wording here because it's not that I'm outraged by this, it's just stupid. I wouldn't rate it "disagree", I'd rate it "autistic". The way a lot of people are dead-set on proving it was illegal looks like they're more interested in punishing Ralph and Andy than laughing at their stupidity. Especially considering that even if they were convicted, it would be a crime caused by stupidity, not malice or depravity. And I have some issues when it comes to conflating Andy's actions with Ralph's.

I'm not calling for a Code of Conduct for kiwi farming, I'm just saying it's exceptional how deep, and how long, some people go on this particular episode.

People have a right to be pissed off that two morons approached a very serious and precarious situation that in all likelihood was being handled by a multitude of law enforcement agencies with a very nonchalant attitude and the tact expected of two exceptional individuals with room temperature IQs looking to make a couple quick paypig bucks. The anger only increased because when the situation blew up, they proceeded to pilpul the shit out of it with absurd excuses instead of owning it, which seems to be a reoccurring theme with these two.
Who would want to "own" an action that they now realize may potentially be illegal? That's ridiculous.
 
I don't find it very likely. I don't believe it's safe to assume to every single pedo gathering is guaranteed to be a honeypot. It seems to me that people just want to assume this was true in order to paint what they did as damaging, rather than just stupid. If every pedo ring was known to the FBI, we probably wouldn't have pedo rings.
If Andy and Ralph can find a pedo ring, I'm pretty sure the feds can too. Twoon and the other morons were talking about reporting it before they started this whole thing on that stream where Null appeared. This stuff was so out in the open that I find it incredible to say that the authorities had no knowledge or involvement.
If you're talking about Indigo White, I believe she had a """fitness blog""" on tumblr while underage.
Yeah but the English girl was supposedly involved in the CP stuff too.

I want to be careful with my wording here because it's not that I'm outraged by this, it's just stupid.
I really don't understand why you're policing yourself like this. This is a form of moralfagging too, you know?
 
@Lin Marin you're on a website that's known for semi stalking retards and making mountains out of mole hills. If you don't expect a bit of hypocrisy or moral outrage you clearly ain't on the right site. Go for a jog or some shit, last thing you need is an aneurysm caused by being angry at retards. Or do get angry. Either way works for me.
 
@Lin Marin if you considered people upset that 2 speds on the internet tried to milk shekels off cp moral fagging, then you better get used to it because it's normal for people to be disgusted by that. Also it's much easier for a ring to get caught then individuals, the chances of any pedos in that ring being caught have now been drastically lowered because of they dumb shit.

As for whether ralph is apart of the cp thing, it's illegal to access cp in any form whatsoever, intention doesnt matter unless they are proving you are jacking off to children in mags. Clearly in that stream you can hear ralph comments on the pictures. It's not up for debate, he implicated himself on the same exact level that warski did. Will they get vanned? Probably not. But it would be funny.
 
That is a completely baseless interpretation of the quote you've posted. It is not even alluded to in the quote and would be completely ridiculous in practice. Obviously both the production and possession of questionable but not undoubtedly illegal content is being judged based on the specific context.

Clearly you didn't actually read the quote, because if you did you would see I actually did say that the intent of the pictures is important. Here:


Genitals don't need to be shown, what matters is the intention of the depictions, you overused prison fucktoy.

The intent of the pictures is to titillate, or cause arousal, a necessity in determining if something is considered child pornography. For example, a 15-year-old who has her breasts covered with her arm taking a selfie is clearly intending to cause arousal, and thus would be charged with possession of child porn in many instances (yes kids, if you're underage and take selfies showing your shit, the law allows for you to be charged with possession of child porn; if you send it to anyone else it becomes dissemination); however a family with a picture of their baby's bare ass in a kiddie pool one summer in the family album is not intending that, and thus doesn't have an issue with a possible child porn charge. So, whether these pictures are available or not, Andy says he has archived them. Also, during the stream he did he is ambiguous as to if he has the actual folder downloaded. He says he's edited some, he says someone else has edited some. When a folder is called up on the screen he shuts it down before thumbnails can load. It'll be up to an actual investigation to determine if they downloaded it.

On that note, if they did download any of it then there' a clear-cut case of possession of child porn. It doesn't matter if you lack the mens rea when you commit the crime, what matters is you acted on it. For example, all but five states refuse to validate a claim of "I had no idea how old the girl was when I slept with her" defense, even if you picked the chick up in the bar and she turns out to be, say, 16. In those states, it can be seen as a mitigating factor during sentencing, but just because you didn't intend to break laws concerning statutory rape and believed in good faith the person was over the age of consent doesn't absolve you of the crime (which in this case is stupid, I'll grant you). Likewise, if you fire a gun randomly and end up killing someone, you didn't have the intention of doing so but you did and you'll be charged with criminally-negligent homicide. In a situation like this, the intent may be seen as a mitigating factor but it won't absolve them of possession. This is why I said before: contact your local or state investigative body like the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Bundeskriminalamt, or Royal Canadian Mounted Police and point them to the stuff. Don't stream it and act like nothing will happen, because it can and will, especially when you've made it your life's work to piss people off on a daily basis, troll people, and antagonize random anons.

Finally, and this is why I told @theralph to get a lawyer: probation can be revoked for the stupidest of things. For many, even failing a random piss test or breathalyzer is grounds for termination of the status. You need a good lawyer to get you off of it, and this is why I think Ralph should be worried about the cops talking to him: they're investigating it. It doesn't matter what they told him, he should be in full-on cover your ass mode.
 
He's got rekieta. So he's fine.
Imagine if they asked him for advice before the pedo bust livestream. Honestly Ralph and Andy should hire him to be their part-time tard wrangler so next time they feel the need to livestream borderline(?) CP to an audience of thousands of people he can stop them before it's too late.
 
I don't find it very likely. I don't believe it's safe to assume to every single pedo gathering is guaranteed to be a honeypot. It seems to me that people just want to assume this was true in order to paint what they did as damaging, rather than just stupid. If every pedo ring was known to the FBI, we probably wouldn't have pedo rings.

The point that you're missing here is that if they did interrupt an FBI honeypot, it'd just be the icing on the retard cake of them alerting actual pedophiles that people are onto them. Not to mention, as other people have said - if it was something being watched by the proper authorities we'd never know so saying that it's 100% not is just as autistic as saying it 100% is.

Nobody here seems to have done either of those.

I'm sorry, but expecting me to go through hundreds of pages just to provide you examples is not the type of autism I'm willing to engage in today. The examples I can recollect distinctly enough to describe to a recognizable degree would be a post by Secret Agent filled with outrage on the basis of a hypothetical FBI investigation, emails to Jared Holt, calls to the police by /cow/ and, further removed, a recent stream by Godwinson.

Like I said if it doesn't in the least bit irk you that's your prerogative. However if you can't understand how people could possibly be upset to varying degrees that some assholes thought that using child exploitation as a "get out of jail free" card for their recent fuckups I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not one of those people but I'm not so cynical or detached as to not understand where they're coming from. As far as you not being able to give an example, the point people are making in asking for one is the line of thought that "if it were so prevalent that you felt you needed to interject, surely you could give at least one example". As before if you can't understand where people are coming from with that then I don't know what to tell you.


I don't believe anyone directly called them pedophiles and I did not mean what I said to imply that.

Not to be a dick but:

  • There is no reason to believe these two are pedophiles and thus the moral outrage around it is completely unjustified. We hate pedophiles because they get off on CP and encourage the production of it, not just because they have witnessed the pictures. It is possible Andy, Ralph or both have fucked up in the eyes of the law, but they haven't done anything actually evil.
I just think this obsession with calling everyone a pedophile on the internet is fucking exceptional. It's not funny, and neither are fake moralfaggotry and A-Logging.

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Rather, a lot of people here, on /cow/ and elsewhere insist on painting the events in an extraordinarily negative light that far exceeds the reality of the stupidity of what transpired on that stream.

Yes, it was exceptional. I want to be careful with my wording here because it's not that I'm outraged by this, it's just stupid. I wouldn't rate it "disagree", I'd rate it "autistic". The way a lot of people are dead-set on proving it was illegal looks like they're more interested in punishing Ralph and Andy than laughing at their stupidity.

What they did was illegal, and nobody is painting the events in anything other than how they happened aside from (so far) you, @heathercho , and @Colonel J .

Which, again, I don't understand and for reasons I can only guess at.

Especially considering that even if they were convicted, it would be a crime caused by stupidity, not malice or depravity.

You know, that'd be an alright point if the court system of any country accepted stupidity or ignorance of the law as a defense. They don't, for reasons that are blatantly obvious.

And I have some issues when it comes to conflating Andy's actions with Ralph's.

Nobody's conflating anything. Ralph was there and he was complicit. Whether or not you like people discussing that fact has nothing to do with it's validity.

I'm not calling for a Code of Conduct for kiwi farming, I'm just saying it's exceptional how deep, and how long, some people go on this particular episode.

I agree in that you're not calling for a code of conduct. What you're saying is "please stop talking about this because it hurts my sensibilities". I hate to condense it down to that but I'm done beating around the bush on this, and that's what you're doing.
 
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Who would want to "own" an action that they now realize may potentially be illegal? That's ridiculous.
Well according to Ethan, everything is all good with the cops. If that was the case all along, then owning up to it should have been a simple "Hey we fucked up on a serious issue badly" instead of splitting hairs with Kraut-tier excuses like "It was public information", "It was only an ass being shown", etc. or trying to spin it off as a win because they reported some accounts.
 
A bunch of Ralph's paypiggies (and possibly Gaytor) are trying to astroturf /cow/ with stories that Godwinson is a left wing plant that leaked info to the Metro and a bunck of UK journalistic tabloids about Andy and Ralph via Facebook at the moment. It's definitely not an impossibility but they never seem to post any evidence of this shit whenever they're asked to. Sort of a side development, but another rumor has it that Ralph will show the evidence on the Killstream either today or tomorrow
 
A bunch of Ralph's paypiggies (and possibly Gaytor) are trying to astroturf /cow/ with stories that Godwinson is a left wing plant that leaked info to the Metro and a bunck of UK journalistic tabloids about Andy and Ralph via Facebook at the moment. It's definitely not an impossibility but they never seem to post any evidence of this shit whenever they're asked to. Sort of a side development, but another rumor has it that Ralph will show the evidence on the Killstream either today or tomorrow
They can try but changing their 700 viewers opinions won't help save their careers.
 
A bunch of Ralph's paypiggies (and possibly Gaytor) are trying to astroturf /cow/ with stories that Godwinson is a left wing plant that leaked info to the Metro and a bunck of UK journalistic tabloids about Andy and Ralph via Facebook at the moment. It's definitely not an impossibility but they never seem to post any evidence of this shit whenever they're asked to. Sort of a side development, but another rumor has it that Ralph will show the evidence on the Killstream either today or tomorrow
I really hope it's a patebin because I want to see if Andy and Ralph can create one that's more convincing than Kraut's. I imagine they probably couldn't as learning from other people's mistakes isn't exactly their forte.
 
A bunch of Ralph's paypiggies (and possibly Gaytor) are trying to astroturf /cow/ with stories that Godwinson is a left wing plant that leaked info to the Metro and a bunck of UK journalistic tabloids about Andy and Ralph via Facebook at the moment. It's definitely not an impossibility but they never seem to post any evidence of this shit whenever they're asked to. Sort of a side development, but another rumor has it that Ralph will show the evidence on the Killstream either today or tomorrow
It's probably Gator organizing this rumor on one of those gold star caller discords.

I have no idea what Godwinson believes politically, but I doubt he orchestrated this. The majority of his content has been directed at Ralph

If they wanted a legitimate target, they should be looking at Ian Miles Chung. The article wasn't directed at Ralph, it was directed at Warski. And there were images showing IMC in contact with the author of the article on Twitter.
 
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A bunch of Ralph's paypiggies (and possibly Gaytor) are trying to astroturf /cow/ with stories that Godwinson is a left wing plant that leaked info to the Metro and a bunck of UK journalistic tabloids about Andy and Ralph via Facebook at the moment. It's definitely not an impossibility but they never seem to post any evidence of this shit whenever they're asked to. Sort of a side development, but another rumor has it that Ralph will show the evidence on the Killstream either today or tomorrow
I'm willing to bet the smoking gun will be so inconsequential like a couple of tweets from years ago where he was talking to some left-winger or as @No creativity stated, their own shitty patebin.
 
What they did was illegal, and nobody is painting the events in anything other than how they happened aside from (so far) you, @heathercho , and @Colonel J .

People who feel else ways aren't going to comment on this autistic circle jerk of a thread. That's why it's only been 3 people. It's because everyone else doesn't care to get involved. You've all got your dicks in a twist about what you believe, so the thread itself has become an autistic honeypot all of it's own. IBS boards are becoming a fucking containment zone. All the moral flagging and pearl clutching is pathetic, no one has time for that shit.
 
People who feel else ways aren't going to comment on this autistic circle jerk of a thread. That's why it's only been 3 people. It's because everyone else doesn't care to get involved. You've all got your dicks in a twist about what you believe, so the thread itself has become an autistic honeypot all of it's own. IBS boards are becoming a fucking containment zone. All the moral flagging and pearl clutching is pathetic, no one has time for that shit.

Says the guy who's moralfagging. I can't believe how badly you and others have their panties in a knot over people discussing an event surrounding some lolcows. I'm sure that you have at least one post by now demeaning the exact same behavior you, @Lin Marin and @Colonel J have been showing in these threads.

Come to think of it, you have a pretty interesting post history concerning whether or not something's autistic.

Anyway, my reference wasn't a dig at you, just referencing your previous posts.
 
Says the guy who's moralfagging. I can't believe how badly you and others have their panties in a knot over people discussing an event surrounding some lolcows. I'm sure that you have at least one post by now demeaning the exact same behavior you, @Lin Marin and @Colonel J have been showing in these threads.

Come to think of it, you have a pretty interesting post history concerning whether or not something's autistic.

Anyway, my reference wasn't a dig at you, just referencing your previous posts.
TBF I'm a bit annoyed that people feel the need to rehash the failed pedo bust stream again with points that have already been fully discussed rather than laugh about the fact that Ethan is passed out drunk in public... again, and Andy is implying taking advantage of him after a possible kiss was joked about. Also Ethan public pass out cop attack when?
 
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