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Heard just as many if not more stories about him meeting his fans and changing/turning their lives around. IDK so which "Rumors" do we believe then?

Also did anyone archive the Pridemore stuff where she basically outs Todd as the "Rapist" to people messaging her?
 
He couldn't have even if he wanted to, doing so was against his contract at the time.
Exactly. There's a lot of VAs especially in Japan that have strict rules in their contracts that state what they can and can not sign. I can't say for sure if it was in Vic's contract but that would be a good reason not to.
 
You know, weebs and yaoi fanatics are probably not the best people to judge if something is “creepy” or not. Vic being friendly to them could have been considered “creepy” because it’s something they’re not used to.

Are these not the people who cry "gay" if a guy smiles at another one? Maybe not the best judges of character.
 
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It's been a rumour for over a decade that Vic is creepy. I find it weird so many people are defending him.
Being creepy isn't a crime, I know, just fwiw I don't really believe he is innocent.
As some other people said, it's not necessarily about the person, it's about the principle. If you're going to accuse him of conduct that's probably criminal, get him into court. That way he has a way to defend myself, and if the verdict is guilty, there's no doubts or conspiracy about the allegations.

I'll admit I feel really weird about the whole thing. I generally like Funimation's dubs. I like Vic Mignogna's acting, and from the times I've met him and sat in on his panels, as a person. I really Monica Rial's like acting, maybe even more than I like Vic's, and she seemed like a nice enough person. I even like Jamie Marchi's acting, even if I know IRL she's kind of a nutty feminist type.

Like I said though, it all comes down to principle. No one should be assassinated through social media.

Heard just as many if not more stories about him meeting his fans and changing/turning their lives around. IDK so which "Rumors" do we believe then?

Also did anyone archive the Pridemore stuff where she basically outs Todd as the "Rapist" to people messaging her?
Honestly, I think the way this case is shaping up, the convention allegations are just white noise. Pretty sure Vic would be going after Marchi, Rial, Toye, Funi, and RT over the alleged workplace harassment.
 
Seriously tho, I feel vic should have just sign the stupid yaoi art so the girl didn't go on a rant twitter hate that started off this whole mess.

Or he would have been targeted anyways, since he's a successful white male straight Christian. Heard Rekieta mention that quite a few people just didn't like him because muh ideology + jealousy.

That, and this will hopefully set some fucking great legal precedent.
 
Gonna chime in on this one. Archive Fucking Everything. I will admit to viewing that statement as kind of an inside joke, but then I saw Allison deleting shit in real time. And she had admitted to deleting stuff earlier before we really started tearing into her info. Stuff that might seem innocuous at first may prove useful later as things go on.
Exactly. For the matter, I've got a few more things I forgot I archived.


Our incredible attention to archiving stuff are why Ty Beard and his group of lawyers are paying attention to what we archive.
Speaking just for myself, Vic is a representation of something I feel has gone horrendously wrong in our society. Trial by Twitter. Or even more sinister, trial by Title 9 courts and "Human Rights Commissions". I view these things as existential threats to our society. Not just as a challenge to the authority of the State, but also to our ability to function as human beings out in the world. The idea that someone could have their life ruined simply because people brigaded a tweet from an angry girl who IMO was simply doing the Stacey routine and spreading rumor by presenting facts in the most negative light possible. That that alone be sufficient to damn someone is terrifying. It turns our entire system of justice into a middle school cafeteria, and makes the mean girls and their hangers on judge, jury and executioner.

I want evidence. If Vic truly is as horrible as is claimed, then PROVE IT. Don't just say things and expect me to listen and believe. I don't know you. I don't know vic. And because of that I have to err on the side of Innocence, because our society can never function if our default assumption is people are guilty of what the person who hates them most says about them. That's how they did shit in the USSR and East Germany. It did not work out great for them.
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I could not agree more with this. We all know that SJWs fear people remembering their past mistakes. They think that the phrase "what's on the Internet, stays on the Internet" does not apply to them because they have the media on their side. However, the media's grip on us is declining as the recent layoffs ahead of this year's tax season goes on and the left-winged biased media is panicking. That is why news and social media have been vengeful since Trump's election because they thought that Hillary Clinton was entitled to the presidency without a challenge.

SJWs are scared because they know that if #AnimeGate succeeds, it will set a precedent that just because you are on "the right side of history" does not mean you can do whatever the hell you want. It means more scrutiny for "survivors" for why they did not report their case to the police. Nothing scares the likes of Saucedo, Rials, Marchi, Roye, and (maybe) Shane more than not only financial ruins but also the fact that a "hate site" was used in court to law to counter their bullshit.

When we see SJWs expect people to "listen and believe" based off unverified social media posts against a target they hate, in this case Vig Mignogna, remember that this goes back to their hatred for the police. Why do you think they whine about "police brutality" so much if not for wanting to get rid of one of the few things that keeps their behavior in check?

I will say this until the end; if Vic is innocent (and likely is), he must win this. It's going to have larger consequences than what most of us realize in the long run.
 
He couldn't have even if he wanted to, doing so was against his contract at the time.
Strange none of this was mention out side of that or vic statements saying that was hes reason other then it wasn't canon.Plus last I heard it depend on how much content it was in the art of how inappropriate it is,and the art she presented was fine.

Feel free to correct me on that tho.
 
The dark comedy of it all is the push by these people to do away with due process and the presumption of innocence is a literal wish upon the monkeys paw. They will get what they asked for, and the people they hate the most will happily use the power they have serendiptously been granted to do away with them. We have these protections for a reason. Not to prop up a patriarchy and rape culture, but to restrain the very worst impulses of human nature.
Like James Gunn, hey your not supposed to use our weapon on the people we like.....
 
You know, weebs and yaoi fanatics are probably not the best people to judge if something is “creepy” or not. Vic being friendly to them could have been considered “creepy” because it’s something they’re not used to.

My thoughts exactly, I don't watch anime but creepy anime fan-girls and the crazy anime fan-girls that hate the first group might not, as you say, be worth listening to and they probably have a heavily skewed perspective on what proper human interaction is like. It might be like listening to incel gossip about which women are total bitches/sluts at the same cons.
 
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Like James Gunn, hey your not supposed to use our weapon on the people we like.....

Citing again the Days of Rage blog: "The hard Right will use Leftist tactics, at which point the Press will become very interested in denormalizing those tactics."

The second Gunn was hit with an outrage mob, suddenly outrage mobs were a sign of the impending collapse of our society and not a daily occurrence from the left. It's important no one lets them get away with sending this shit down the memory hole.

Don't forget, it wasn't a year ago that the left was claiming it was perfectly acceptable to physically assault if not outright murder people in the street if they dared question leftist dogma. Or rather, "PUNCH A NAZI" he he he, har har har.

("Kick a Commie" would result in congressional investigations into the rise of the evil Alt-Right Neonazi Nationalist Fascist Capitalists.)


We're live, but Nick is boomering it up and forgot to unmute his mic.
 
Heard just as many if not more stories about him meeting his fans and changing/turning their lives around. IDK so which "Rumors" do we believe then?

Also did anyone archive the Pridemore stuff where she basically outs Todd as the "Rapist" to people messaging her?

From what I understand Pridemore did not publicly name Haberkorn. But the way she worded things allowed people who knew Haberkorn to know what she was talking about. Her basic defense has been she never actually SAID Haberkorn did it. She simply said this voice actor dude who is clearly Haberkorn did it.

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From what I understand Pridemore did not publicly name Haberkorn. But the way she worded things allowed people who knew Haberkorn to know what she was talking about. Her basic defense has been she never actually SAID Haberkorn did it. She simply said this voice actor dude who is clearly Haberkorn did it.

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Nick actually covered this. She gave information identifying Todd, and was confirming it in her DMs. So despite not mentioning his name publicly, she still said enough to put her in hot water.
 
Strange none of this was mention out side of that or vic statements saying that was hes reason other then it wasn't canon.Plus last I heard it depend on how much content it was in the art of how inappropriate it is,and the art she presented was fine.

Feel free to correct me on that tho.
@mindlessobserver mentioned it earlier in the thread, Vic's contract prohibits him from signing non-canon artwork and said incestuous yaoi fanart would certainly fit that definition.
Gonna unpack this.

1. Vic admits to refusing to sign homoromantic pieces of art depicting characters he’s voiced in this video. Someone pro-LGBTQIA or at least tolerant of homosexuality wouldn’t discriminate between art depicting straight or gay relationships.

For starters, his contract prohibits him from signing non-canon art so he already has a rock solid excuse for not doing so. Anything else is speculation.

2.Vic said: “yaoi fans are desperate for attention.”

Vic is not the only one saying this. Everyone says this. Because its true.

3. Vic dodges question about whether he agrees with gay marriage. Apparently gay marriage is only okay if everyone has voted for it.

A Christian has to deny the validity of homosexual marriage. This does not mean he has to demand the rest of society deny it, but that's not what they are asking, is it. They are asking if he SPECIFICALLY believes in Gay Marriage. They knew exactly what they were doing here. Good on him for keeping private and professional separate and refusing to answer.

4.Vic desperately tries to deny that two characters (one which he has voiced) are gay by lying about his ability to speak Japanese. He also assumes gay relationships can only be sexual. Clamp is a Japanese manga-artist group that seeks to normalise gay relationships and TVtropes lists many reasons why Fai/Kurogane can be interpreted as a gay relationship, making comparisons with gay couples within Clamp’s canon.

Just because your head canon says they are gay does not mean they are gay you vapid cunt.

5. While some gay fans have reported that Vic’s been professional with them, others have been disappointed by Vic’s homophobia. One fan reports that Vic called him and his boyfriend a ‘disappointment from God.'

Hearsay.


6. Video of Vic saying he made a Holocaust joke and refused to apologise. Got offended when a fan called him anti-Jewish.

Just because the person writing this dodged an oven does not mean the people reading it are nazis

7. Youtube videos of Vic kissing under-age girls without asking how old they are.

Oh no, he is affectionate with fans. This is not rape though. Maybe unprofessional, but the remedy for that is not to claim its rape.


8. Video of Vic behaving in a flirtatious/sexual manner toward an under-aged girl. The scene they are acting out is one that originally takes place between two teenagers in Ouran High School Host Club. Vic is a fifty-two-year-old man.

No shit. He was asked to do lines by the girls from the charachter he voice acted. A charachter that moonlights as a Japanese host who is also overly flirty to the point of parody.

9. Picture of Vic kissing a girl who clearly doesn’t want Vic’s attention.

Same girl who said publicly she didn't mind having her cheek kissed after ANN ran with this same argument?

10. A blog that documents the experiences of anonymous under-aged girls who have been sexually assaulted by Vic and other people’s negative (or sometimes positive) experiences with the voice actor.

I don't think sexual assault means what you think it means.

11. Another extremely detailed account of Vic groping fan girls and getting into a fight.

If its so detailed why hasn't anyone seen it?

12. One of the ex-moderators of Vic’s fan club ‘Risembool’ Rangers said he invited her to his room when she as under-age. She wouldn’t be the first person to say this.

In the immortal words of the chinese drive through... Aaaaaaannnnnnnd Theeeeennnnn? You got such a great set up going here! He invited her to his private room. What happened next? Surely you meant to add something more here, or are we supposed to guess?

13. Another character description from a person who used to know Vic.

And who is this person? You can't make an appeal to authority and then not reveal who the authority is. Who is this "person" who knows Vic?

14. A journalist who has friends inside Funimation lists the reasons why Vic is one of the most hated voice actors working for the company.

I think this is the only part of this that we can honestly say with absolute certainty is the unvarnished truth lol. What sort of echo chamber have these people been living in to have had absolutely no push back on this. Tumblr and Twitter are a worse hug box then I thought.
 
From what I understand Pridemore did not publicly name Haberkorn. But the way she worded things allowed people who knew Haberkorn to know what she was talking about. Her basic defense has been she never actually SAID Haberkorn did it. She simply said this voice actor dude who is clearly Haberkorn did it.

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Yea saw a youtube video, forget which one, but they showed what looked like a chat and she said " A lot of people been messaging me about the person who raped me and about 7 out of 10 are correct. " Then someone says "Oh Hey let me message you" and then she ups the count after that. Paraphrasing of course but if shes telling people in DMs then that should count as outing him.
 
@mindlessobserver mentioned it earlier in the thread, Vic's contract prohibits him from signing non-canon artwork and said incestuous yaoi fanart would certainly fit that definition.
Can we get confirmation on that? Why does only Vic have the reputation of not doing that if that's the case (since I presume other VAs would have similar clauses in their contracts)? Is it just that Vic is the only one who actually enforces the clause?

It makes sense from not only a "hentai is bad" perspective - they probably don't want people doing fan art to be able to increase the value of their art (rather than official merchandise) with a VA's signature - so I'm not necessarily doubting his contract says something like that. Just wondering why he in particular has the reputation of being anti-yaoi.
 
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