Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

Take away the Guns, Censor the Video, Throw people in Jail for Having the Video, or do it all?

  • Just take the guns, it'll work out fine.

    Votes: 65 5.9%
  • Doesn't matter, it's Trump's Fault.

    Votes: 271 24.4%
  • Just ban the video, it's totally doable.

    Votes: 39 3.5%
  • DO EVERYTHING!

    Votes: 207 18.6%
  • Make Null turn us over, that'll make us safe.

    Votes: 528 47.6%

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You're missing the point. The point is that most people don't wake up amd decide to join a terror cell and spend thousands of dollars over months to make it happen. That is almost exclusively the realm of radical Islam, specifically of the Middle Eastern variety. Look at the demographics of the people killed and only like 3 Kiwis actually died, 19 were fucking Palestinians, the rest were also from the same area. You cannot convince me that these fighters weren't influenced at all by the overwhelming number of people from the hotbed itself. Not to mention the Mossad connection. That being said the Mossad thing could've been anything from surveillance of terror suspects to stealing information to fake passports, but I find it exceptionally odd that this oh so peaceful mosque frequented by 95% foreigners from an area actively engaged in conflict that also happened to be on Mossad's list just happened to produce terrorists. Not only did it produce terrorists, but when confronted the mosque initially said they had no idea who they were, which is total bullshit. Again, if some asshole from church decides to join a foriegn kill team, that's going to be the most talked about thing forever.

Innocent until proven guilty, but I'm over 50% sure they aren't exactly the peaceful transplants claimed.
Look, as enjoyable as I may find the great Jewish tradition of Pardes, right now I don't want to spent 4 hours writing 5000-sign highly speculative posts defending something I don't actually give a shit about, I initially just wanted to point out a rather biased behavior and I'll leave it at that.
 
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A fucking mossad cell in the same city? Anti-gun activists traveling there after a mass-shooting?
This sounds like a script of an alex jones video, hello clownworld?

Mossad cell was back in 2011 or 2014 or whatever, anti-gun activists traveled there like a year before the shooting.

If you're going to draw connections on the corkboard at least get your facts straight, dumbass.
 
Last thing. After some thought, I think it's best not to do some things continuously in your life sometimes like going to Church every Sunday for example. You are more likely to be killed in a massacre going every sunday than let's say maybe once a month, or once every three months. This thought isn't for churches either, I'm talking about other things maybe like Gyms, and malls too. But isn't that sad? Sad we have to take so much caution these days cause the world is so fucked up? We have to become hermits and even then, you aren't safe.
This is a severe low T overreaction. There is still more chance of dying in a car accident than dying to a terrorist attack in a place of worship. Stop letting media run your emotional life and instead let statistics run your emotional life like a proper autist.
 
I knew the shooter's face reminded me of someone else, I finally realised who...

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Killing people isn't going to solve this. If you just start shooting people for "especially heinous" crimes you end up

  1. Subverting Due Process and rule of law
  2. Alienating the general public
  3. Galvanizing political radicals of both sides
  4. Encouraging violence against politicians and law enforcement
  5. Allowing political murders under the guize of "state security"
Remember Stalin's Purge? That's what you end up with.

Right now we have two options and only two options to avert a Constitutional Crisis, civil unrest, or civil war:

1. Start it off with a bang. We start cracking down own wrongthink and sympathizers. I mean, everyone that is right of Clinton. Anyone who will not tow the line and could potentially pose a threat to public and state safety. You throw them in camps, prison, or graves. If someone doesn't follow orders, shoot them. Total media blackout, that's it, game over for free speech.

2. Start an open and honest dialogue with both sides about their major concerns and make both sides feel like they are respected and their opinion matters. Make both sides feel like they have a stake in the country and society. Try to find common ground and compromise on major issues.

This guy wasn't sick or crazy. This guy was a normal internet memester who saw the writing on the wall and wants something to happen. The temperature of the water the frog has been sitting in has been getting warmer for decades, and he just turned the burner on full blast.


There is no talking and reasoning with a sociopath/psychopath hell bent on destruction. If it was that easy, the killer would have stopped at the front before entering "Hey I plan on killing you guys today because I don't want the western countries to be invaded by muslims, can we come to an agreement on how you should meet your end, or can you convince me not to?" No.... He just went and killed them. He was set on it before he even took the action. Allowing free speech is good, that's NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. It's about what happens when you kill someone. That does not involve free speech, that involves YOU KILLING SOMEONE. An action, a verb. The more you give them a slap on the wrist, the more they just going to keep killing.


Be honest here and I mean completely honest tho I doubt you will be, but if you were planning on killing someone or killing as many people as you could, would you still follow through and do it if you knew you would be EXECUTED painfully within a week, or month later? Would you? Hell, I'll ask this question for anyone reading.

If you knew they were gonna chop your fingers off, gauge out your eyesballs, stick a battery cable to your nut sack (if the world worked like this), would you still kill someone? You probably wouldn't.

Knowing you'll get fed and housed is a more comfortable thought. Knowing you won't die is a more comfortable thought. Especially for these big name killers, they get the best treatment in the prisons... Charles Manson (look at the freedom he had in prison) (anders brevik who killed over 70 people in Norway and gets to play games all day, house and fed) and just all these other killers who get to live away from the general public. Sorry Jeffrey, you're excluded but you see what happened to him.... lol.


I say we executed these evil murderers if they are 100% guilty, murders would happen less.
 
but if you were planning on killing someone or killing as many people as you could, would you still follow through and do it if you knew you would be EXECUTED painfully within a week, or month later?

Ignoring suicide attacks are a thing, or that terror attacks happen in Russia and china where there is no kid gloves. ignoring the Summary execution of terrorists in the middle east, the hangings of hundreds of fighters in Iraq and so on.
 
New Zealand is going the way of the Commonwealth when it comes to cracking down on dissenting speech and even information that might help to prevent horrific incidents.

The video is an excellent reference material to law enforcement: if you don't get places on time after a shooting is reported, a lot of people will die because of you.

First Mosque shooting being 'unexpected' (which I have my doubts) notwithstanding, he spent a good four minutes just killing people.
 
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You nailed it dude. You said exactly what I would have said, and this is the 100% truth and reason this sick, and evil person did this evil thing. Truth is, he just wanted to kill because that's what he wanted to do and do it while pissing people off, then blame it on something so the media, and people can fight each other all day.

massacre's and murders would happen less if the world started executing these killers within a week, especially if found 100% guilty like this guy is, and if they confessed also.... Murders would happen far less, but no no no, instead people want them house, fed and want them to play video games from their prison cell (like the Anders Brevik guy from Norway) instead of the cheaper option of just taking a rope, or a .50 bullet to the head. Murderers would think twice before killing anyone if they knew they were gonna die when captured.

Also the world needs to start teaching self defense/defense classes in schools as a mandatory class. Those people piled up onto each other when the killer got into the room paid for it cause he had no threat at all, he was free to just shoot them over and over, and over and over, then come back and shoot them more, and then shoot them individually... Like beyond sickening. Only one guy from the first church attempted to tackle him and nearly done so if he had acted 1 or 2 seconds before.

I think we need to realize getting on your knees in a corner spells death. If you are not going to fight, you should definitely attempt to run away if you can. These people were in a empty room and just against the corners of the room, it wasn't like they were behind a closed and locked door (which would be much safer) they were just free targets and victims to shoot at.

Obviously what needed to be done was they needed the men to rush him from both corners as soon as he came into the room. Some of the men should have been crouched and springed forward from the lowest point at his legs while the others springed forward from their feet at the upper part of the killer (now the ones that were standing and lunging would probably be shot to death, and maybe even the lower defenders, but it beats just cowering into a corner with people to die).

Watching the video disgusted me completely. Especially just seeing him constantly shoot into them many times, then coming back to do it again and then targeting 1 body at a time and putting bullets into the heads to make sure they were all dead. Just disgusting. After watching this, and I've seen many fucked up videos like those serbian hammer guys that killed 26 people with a hammer and recorded every murder, I've seen just many, and quite frankly. I'm done. I'm not gonna watch anything like this again, I'll read about it, but I'm done watching it. No one deserves to die period. No matter what they believe, what color they are, where they come from, even shit they may have said, no one deserves to die.

Also stopping muslims from entering western countries is never going to happen. It's just a excuse to kill people and that's all it is, the killer knew that nothing will change, he just wanted to murder people.


Also, I'm actually probably gonna buy a handgun myself to be honest, the world is just far too dangerous. I think if this were in the US, those innocent people may have took different actions from being shot instead of just giving themselves to him like that and piling up together, and perhaps one or two may have had a gun on them.


At the end of day, this guy deserves death, NZ does not have a death penalty, but this guy needs to die, and they need to bring back the penalty for cases like this. Set an example, and it might stop other massacres from happening.

EDITED, expect there to be copycat killers now, and also for the record, STOP posting their fucking names, giving these killers attention.

EDITED AGAIN... Last thing. After some thought, I think it's best not to do some things continuously in your life sometimes like going to Church every Sunday for example. You are more likely to be killed in a massacre going every sunday than let's say maybe once a month, or once every three months. This thought isn't for churches either, I'm talking about other things maybe like Gyms, and malls too. But isn't that sad? Sad we have to take so much caution these days cause the world is so fucked up? We have to become hermits and even then, you aren't safe.

, Him visiting Turkey multiple times in 2016 at the height of a coup attempt on Edrogan is most likely his initially thought up plan to sow discord on a non backwater Muslim country like turkey to blend in with the chaos , Him causing terror there will definitely be stacked up as under separatist activities and Muslims vs Muslims for him is a sight to behold. Maybe seeing the environment as unfamiliar and foreign (lack of contacts/resources) him launching a false flag on the locals or even the President himself is nigh impossible he resorted to attainable means but he utilized Shock and and media sites as his greatest tool which turns out to be as effective as Assasinating a President for a guy with a Hero Complex
 
Be honest here and I mean completely honest tho I doubt you will be, but if you were planning on killing someone or killing as many people as you could, would you still follow through and do it if you knew you would be EXECUTED painfully within a week, or month later? Would you? Hell, I'll ask this question for anyone reading.

If you knew they were gonna chop your fingers off, gauge out your eyesballs, stick a battery cable to your nut sack (if the world worked like this), would you still kill someone? You probably wouldn't.

Knowing you'll get fed and housed is a more comfortable thought. Knowing you won't die is a more comfortable thought. Especially for these big name killers, they get the best treatment in the prisons... Charles Manson (look at the freedom he had in prison) (anders brevik who killed over 70 people in Norway and gets to play games all day, house and fed) and just all these other killers who get to live away from the general public. Sorry Jeffrey, you're excluded but you see what happened to him.... lol.


I say we executed these evil murderers if they are 100% guilty, murders would happen less.
It wouldn't change much, over 70% of spree killings like this end up with the killer dead, you'd just get an even higher percentage if they knew they were going to be tortured.
 
2. Start an open and honest dialogue with both sides about their major concerns and make both sides feel like they are respected and their opinion matters. Make both sides feel like they have a stake in the country and society. Try to find common ground and compromise on major issues.

I literally have no idea how thats possible. When we are at this point. People are being dropped from networks and pundit positions right now, just for going off script on this.

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New Zealand is going the way of the Commonwealth when it comes to cracking down on dissenting speech and even information that might help to prevent horrific incidents.

The video is an excellent reference material to law enforcement: if you don't get places on time after a shooting is reported, a lot of people will die because of you.

First Mosque shooting being 'unexpected' (which I have my doubts) notwithstanding, he spent a good four minutes just killing people.
New Zealand is part of the Commonwealth, mate
 
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There is no talking and reasoning with a sociopath/psychopath hell bent on destruction. If it was that easy, the killer would have stopped at the front before entering "Hey I plan on killing you guys today because I don't want the western countries to be invaded by muslims, can we come to an agreement on how you should meet your end, or can you convince me not to?" No.... He just went and killed them. He was set on it before he even took the action. Allowing free speech is good, that's NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. It's about what happens when you kill someone. That does not involve free speech, that involves YOU KILLING SOMEONE. An action, a verb. The more you give them a slap on the wrist, the more they just going to keep killing.


Be honest here and I mean completely honest tho I doubt you will be, but if you were planning on killing someone or killing as many people as you could, would you still follow through and do it if you knew you would be EXECUTED painfully within a week, or month later? Would you? Hell, I'll ask this question for anyone reading.

If you knew they were gonna chop your fingers off, gauge out your eyesballs, stick a battery cable to your nut sack (if the world worked like this), would you still kill someone? You probably wouldn't.

Knowing you'll get fed and housed is a more comfortable thought. Knowing you won't die is a more comfortable thought. Especially for these big name killers, they get the best treatment in the prisons... Charles Manson (look at the freedom he had in prison) (anders brevik who killed over 70 people in Norway and gets to play games all day, house and fed) and just all these other killers who get to live away from the general public. Sorry Jeffrey, you're excluded but you see what happened to him.... lol.


I say we executed these evil murderers if they are 100% guilty, murders would happen less.


To be fair many of these shooters if they believe what they are espousing would probably still commit the acts such as in this case to be a martyr, to be remembered as the "starter of the revolution" or a "savior" in the realms of history. Many probably still would even if you had a law that had them executed on the spot.

I don't disagree, that they should be executed after the fact in many cases and shouldn't be allowed a "permanent vacation" of sorts off the tax payers, but to be honest I don't think that will ever stop these sort of events whether their beliefs are correct via their actions or not. You might deter some who are doing it because they know likely they can be put away and get to live but not all who are dedicated to their causes or just want to live as a figure of infamy forever more.

Though in the latter case we did execute them probably more of them would start forming large groups before committing the actions to make sure they can't easily be captured and executed which I'm not sure is a better solution outright due to that possibility.

I do agree with you though that talking to them wouldn't help in those cases but I'd also apply it to those that are the targets. Most people in society never really settle disputes with honest converations.
 
It's genuinely astonishing how easy everyone is playing into the terrorist's hands.

He says he wants to ban guns? The NZ government bans semi-automatic guns.

He says he wants to sow division? Everyone points fingers and blames each other for the shooting instead of, you know, THE ACTUAL SHOOTER.

He says he wants to make racial tensions even worse? Now everyone's blaming white people.

He says he wants to increase government censorship? The NZ government decides to not share ANYTHING about the shooting and is threatening to arrest anyone who leaks info.

That scumbag is probably laughing his head off in his jail cell, knowing that everyone's doing exactly what he wanted.
 
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It's genuinely astonishing how easy everyone is playing into the terrorist's hands.

He says he wants to ban guns? The NZ government bans semi-automatic guns.

He says he wants to sow division? Everyone points fingers and blames each other for the shooting instead of, you know, THE ACTUAL SHOOTER.

He says he wants to make racial tensions even worse? Now everyone's blaming white people.

He says he wants to increase government censorship? The NZ government decides to not share ANYTHING about the shooting and is threatening to arrest anyone who leaks info.

That scumbag is probably laughing his head off in his jail cell, knowing that everyone's doing exactly what he wanted.
Could've sworn I read this exact same post from someone else a moment ago. Is it me or is my memory going bad?
 
It's genuinely astonishing how easy everyone is playing into the terrorist's hands.

He says he wants to ban guns? The NZ government bans semi-automatic guns.

He says he wants to sow division? Everyone points fingers and blames each other for the shooting instead of, you know, THE ACTUAL SHOOTER.

He says he wants to make racial tensions even worse? Now everyone's blaming white people.

He says he wants to increase government censorship? The NZ government decides to not share ANYTHING about the shooting and is threatening to arrest anyone who leaks info.

That scumbag is probably laughing his head off in his jail cell, knowing that everyone's doing exactly what he wanted.


They're playing into the terrorist hands because most people in society are like the typical journalist. low intelligence, poor impulse control, and a poor ability to self-reflect or self-actualize.

The problem is even if this shooting didn't happen general society was waiting to do these things if not now, then later. Society has to shape up because we can't control the extremist or minor exceptional cases all together. The problem is society is now irresponsible, becoming more divided, and not being formally educated, victim-hood culture doesn't help which easily makes this shooters ambitions and goals more realistic and obtainable as we speak. (Or allowing him to play the crowd like a fiddle.)
 
There is no talking and reasoning with a sociopath/psychopath hell bent on destruction. If it was that easy, the killer would have stopped at the front before entering "Hey I plan on killing you guys today because I don't want the western countries to be invaded by muslims, can we come to an agreement on how you should meet your end, or can you convince me not to?" No.... He just went and killed them. He was set on it before he even took the action. Allowing free speech is good, that's NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. It's about what happens when you kill someone. That does not involve free speech, that involves YOU KILLING SOMEONE. An action, a verb. The more you give them a slap on the wrist, the more they just going to keep killing.


Be honest here and I mean completely honest tho I doubt you will be, but if you were planning on killing someone or killing as many people as you could, would you still follow through and do it if you knew you would be EXECUTED painfully within a week, or month later? Would you? Hell, I'll ask this question for anyone reading.

If you knew they were gonna chop your fingers off, gauge out your eyesballs, stick a battery cable to your nut sack (if the world worked like this), would you still kill someone? You probably wouldn't.

Knowing you'll get fed and housed is a more comfortable thought. Knowing you won't die is a more comfortable thought. Especially for these big name killers, they get the best treatment in the prisons... Charles Manson (look at the freedom he had in prison) (anders brevik who killed over 70 people in Norway and gets to play games all day, house and fed) and just all these other killers who get to live away from the general public. Sorry Jeffrey, you're excluded but you see what happened to him.... lol.


I say we executed these evil murderers if they are 100% guilty, murders would happen less.

Not only would I still kill people, I would use more brutal means. I would just truck bomb government buildings and target government officials. I would get my friends to do it. I would evade capture. If I could not evade I would die in a gunfight.

The middle east has EXACTLY the type of "justice" you are referring to. You know what happens if you are an ISIS fighter and get captured by Iraq's Security Forces? It's disgusting and brutal. You know what happens instead? Terrorists strap bomb belts on and blow up their captors.

Brutality and violence solves NOTHING unless you plan on totally exterminating the target denographic.

"Inflict not on an enemy every injury within your power, for he may one day be your friend."

This guy was not a sociopath nutjob. He was a uniformed enemy combatant. The point of open and honest dialogue is to make people feel like there is a real way to relat grievances and have them addressed. It's like a job: every day you complain about the same unsafe work conditions. Nobody listens. You call OSHA, OSHA tells you nothing is wrong. You keep working because you have to unless you want to be homeless. One day your best friend loses an arm to the work hazard. A week later another friend is decapitated. eventually being homeless is preferable to the danger of that work hazard. Even just acknowledging the work hazard will help increase retention. Bringing in consultants and speaking with the workers about the best ways to solve it increases retention futher.

This guy was not a sociopath, quit talking about him that way, it is dangerous to discount him and what he said
 
I literally have no idea how thats possible. When we are at this point. People are being dropped from networks and pundit positions right now, just for going off script on this.

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Total paradigm shift. It won't happen. reactionaries will win out and we'll be fucked before you know it.

I'm using this thread as nothing more than a thought experiment. I'm just trying to keep my mind preoccupied with something less fucking awful. I am not a pessimist, I still believe we can pull back from the brink, but the odds aren't good.
 
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