Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[OB 946]

I agree, I'd argue he's more than just a memester and accelerationist, he's what I'd call an "observer."

Unlike a traditional person who uses base psychology to get an understanding of how general people think he (as the name implies) observes people, learns how they think and figures out what will set them off and how to make them tick, and how to manipulate them like pieces on a chess board. It's the difference between a therapist using poor psychology that often times is not as accurate as people would like to believe, and a card shark who can read most of your hand by looking at small reactions from the opposing players at a table based on experience and understanding. The fact he was planning for two years was probably part of him testing people's reaction and figuring out to get the desired result by reaction he wanted or intended to cause.

It's also why I agree he's not nuts, or socio-path, his actions speak to a manipulated end game where most sociopaths live in the moment ignoring consequence of their actions and in regards to nut jobs his actions are by no means chaotic or unintended. Hate to say "He's playing 4D chess" but in a sense he's playing chess while most of society is still playing checkers.

Oh yeah, totally agree. The guy is smart. Maybe not even IQ smart but people smart. The attack was honestly fhe smallest part of this whole thing. What he wrote, how he did it, what he said, those are what he spent all that time planning. He knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Stormy Daniel's Lawyer]

This is what happens when memes become reality.

Which meme? In what context?

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Well yeah, but whats easier? Educating the exceptional individuals or turning the valve and shutting off the exceptional individual spigot they drink from?

The problem is if you turn off the valve, general populace will just be manipulated by another source. You can't expect others to stop doing bad things, but you can hold people to a responsible standard and force them to get educated on the subject.

In a sense such a concept would lead to those who believe gun control laws are good technically right. Instead of forcing people to be more responsible with their guns or what have you, you just remove guns all together thus shutting off the valve leading to so many gun deaths. (Generally from suicide/accidental self-inflicted wounds.) Which I know you don't intend that, but it's what would be justified by these same loons sooner or later by the same method.

 

[Stormy Daniel's Lawyer]

To be honest, when NZ brought down the censorship hammer I wondered whether our government was going to do the same in some kind of misguided ANZAC solidarity.

The cart always follows the horse. There's a shit ton of virtue signaling that is specially reserved for Muslim victims that doesn't exist whenever the victims are non-Muslim. It's always the same trope on the networks after a Muslim led terror attack. They instantly drag out their professional apologists that spend the whole time screaming, "Islamophobia!!!"

 

[Medicated]

Don’t see the problem here. Some people DO use video games like Crusader Kings to act out their white supremacist fantasies. Doesn’t mean the games themselves are bad (they’re not), doesn’t mean the entire gaming community is bad (they’re not), but let’s not pretend the assholes don’t exist. Regular gamers are right to denounce them and try to distance themselves from people who wish Nazi Germany won WWII and take “remove Kebab” seriously.

Yes but why is White supremacy this huge issue all of a sudden? If you look at the stats Islamic terrorist attacks outnumber White Supremacist attacks by at least 1000/1. So why is it White Supremacy is this massive problem? Over the years theres been countless Islamic terror attacks in Western countries, killing hundreds of hundreds of women and children, but if those were White Supremacist attacks, we'd be at the stage of beheading White people in the street for fun by now.

There's this bizarre double standard that people don't seem to be aware of.

 

[hambeerlyingnreed]

The cart always follows the horse. There's a shit ton of virtue signaling that is specially reserved for Muslim victims that doesn't exist whenever the victims are non-Muslim. It's always the same trope on the networks after a Muslim led terror attack. They instantly drag out their professional apologists that spend the whole time screaming, "Islamophobia!!!"

I think this is a new phenomenon. When white Americans were attacked in 9/11 or in the Oklahoma bombing (latter was done by a white dude, but still) people were shocked and raged.

 

[zap2theextreme]

The problem is if you turn off the valve, general populace will just be manipulated by another source. You can't expect others to stop doing bad things, but you can hold people to a responsible standard and force them to get educated on the subject.

In a sense such a concept would lead to those who believe gun control laws are good technically right. Instead of forcing people to be more responsible with their guns or what have you, you just remove guns all together thus shutting off the valve leading to so many gun deaths. (Generally from suicide/accidental self-inflicted wounds.) Which I know you don't intend that, but it's what would be justified by these same loons sooner or later by the same method.

The point is by restricting the MSM from reporting faces, names, manifestos, and limiting air time is you're cutting these pyschopaths off from grandstanding and getting their ideology to go viral on everyone's television screens. I don't think this would have happened if the entire audience to this shooting would have been 10 guys on 8chan.

 

[Slap47]

Yes but why is White supremacy this huge issue all of a sudden? If you look at the stats Islamic terrorist attacks outnumber White Supremacist attacks by at least 1000/1. So why is it White Supremacy is this massive problem? Over the years theres been countless Islamic terror attacks in Western countries, killing hundreds of hundreds of women and children, but if those were White Supremacist attacks, we'd be at the stage of beheading White people in the street for fun by now.

There's this bizarre double standard that people don't seem to be aware of.

Muslim's are pushing insanely hard to push the narrative that right-wing racist attacks are reported less politically than Islamic attacks.

However, the media is pretty clear on the politics when the attack is right wing and especially when its racially motivated.

 

[KristenStewart]

I haven't read to the end of this thread yet so sorry if I'm late but I watched the video twice like a minute after it was posted and it made me sick I feel sick now and won't probably be better for a day or two and fuck I was having such a nice positive day.

This is the most real or surreal example of what I've been worried about for over 20 years. We are raising people who don't give a fuck who when I was 8 or 5 I realized if we keep exposing people to the not give a fuck no one means shit mentality this generation is doomed and I'm 33 and this guy looks around my age and I'm terified of people coming out 15 years younger than me.

I used to call it cartoon mentality as a kid

Fast forward from preteen to 30s and now people are shooting people up and memeing (cartoon mentality) the whole way which is the disconnect of the digital age.

I'm just mad cause I saw this stuff coming up a long time ago and it's going to get a fuck load worse before it gets better in the world... I'm sorry I'm just depressed tonight now

I found this pretty interesting because I was only saying the other day that with the internet comes the ability for niche groups to form communities and develop echo-chambers, reaffirming whatever belief they all may hold. I also 100% agree with the "not give a shit" mentality because I am in my 20s and definitely desensitized to this type of rl gore. Those saying that "the video is the worst they've ever seen" and honestly it's not even that bad, I've seen far far worse.

We have reached the point where a massacre occurred and the shooter meme'd all the way through. I do agree with the majority of his manifesto and fucking hate these 3rd world shitskin immigrants but killing children is absolutely not the way to tackle the issue.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

.... That doesn’t mean that some white supremacists don’t use the game to reenact their fucked up fantasties. That doesn’t mean the game itself is bad, it’s just a game.

The Total War series, especially Medieval: Total War (and it's expansions) has always had racial-supremacy spergs. YouTube has an even larger amount of "theme" & "alternate history" playthroughs which are thinly veiled masturbatory fantasies.

I first encountered such players on a LAN we hooked up in the barracks; with nearly the entire company (nominally 200+) on it. Outside of that network, I would've never known their inclinations.

A lot of it had to do with the job, but a lot of dumbasses just couldn't contain themselves.

What surprised me though, was that for every chump retconning the Templars or Norway as the 3rd Reich, there were two or three proudly bringing Aztlan or Paganism to Europe.

Still; while Pvt. Beaner or Spc. Kraut may have sperged the entire night before about his Nordic or Latin or Aztec supremacy, it was just a game.

Rome: TW seemed to be mostly immune to the phenomenon though; everyone had a hard-on for Leonidas and wanted to stomp Persians (i.e. the Seleucids), even the two ex-Iranians we had with us.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

The point is by restricting the MSM from reporting faces, names, manifestos, and limiting air time is you're cutting these pyschopaths off from grandstanding and getting their ideology to go viral on everyone's television screens. I don't think this would have happened if the entire audience to this shooting would have been 10 guys on 8chan.

I agree with them not being able to report to give these murderers a platform to push their agenda. That I see no fault with. The problem is the victims or those who live will still push agendas themselves which we are seeing and they could then manipulate the tragic event which would or could be just as detrimental.

Sure, it may take longer overall in such a case, but it'd still be just as damaging using the victims as "cry bullies" to push an agenda. Reminds me of David Hogg.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Behead those who insult freedom of speech.

Unironically.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Yes but why is White supremacy this huge issue all of a sudden? If you look at the stats Islamic terrorist attacks outnumber White Supremacist attacks by at least 1000/1. So why is it White Supremacy is this massive problem? Over the years theres been countless Islamic terror attacks in Western countries, killing hundreds of hundreds of women and children, but if those were White Supremacist attacks, we'd be at the stage of beheading White people in the street for fun by now.

There's this bizarre double standard that people don't seem to be aware of.

It's all about demonization of Whites to push an agenda. Honestly.

I hate to invoke Nazi Germany but it's the same tactic of what was used on the Jews. IE: "Der Judes want your children to starve/de enemy" Now it has become "White people want to kill your children by shooting them and stopping you from having a better oppertunity" There's a lot of parallels going on and the end game by the media and others no matter how I look at it can't end well.

Although I mentioned it earlier, it's another one of those circumstantial evidences that makes me believe White genocide is being pushed. It's far from the only one honestly, but that's a discussion for another topic/time.

 

[Medicated]

Although I mentioned it earlier, it's another one of those circumstantial evidences that makes me believe White genocide is being pushed. It's far from the only one honestly, but that's a discussion for another topic/time.

Eh maybe the Jews are pissed off at the Germans still.

 

[muh_moobs]

don't import kebab, don't have kebab drama.

This is true, though. Look at Japan.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Eh maybe the Jews are pissed off at the Germans still.

There is some Jewish involvement within this issue. That much is true, but it's more like a bunch of anti-White groups have come together. Anthony Bordain, George Soros, Barbara Specter, this guy:

YouTube

www.youtube.com

Some pretty twisted shit either way. Edit: I mean the guy mentioned in the video/article, not the poster of said video. Sorry.

 

[Lemmingwise]

let’s not pretend the assholes don’t exist.

Right, but let's not pretend like anyone who unironically uses the phrase "us normal people" isn't an asshole. They are just as autistic in their "I want an african tribe to rise to global domination under female leadership" fantasies.

These games are historical fantasy wish fulfillment and wanting another side to win doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you someone who's allegiance is to another tribe.

It's not up to developers to denounce or nanny this, that only serves to radicalize people as you suppress their fantasy outlets.

 

[Medicated]

There is some Jewish involvement within this issue. That much is true, but it's more like a bunch of anti-White groups have come together. Anthony Bordain, George Soros, Barbara Specter, this guy:

YouTube

www.youtube.com

Some pretty twisted shit either way. Edit: I mean the guy mentioned in the video/article, not the poster of said video. Sorry.

Well with those people pushing those kinds of agendas. I suppose the endgame would be to destabilize the fabric of society and erode the idea of sovereignty and borders to the point where the world is nothing more than a North Korea for a handful of Kim Jong Uns, with an oppressed underclass that exists only to toil and serve their whims. And white nations are typically the most stable and the most protective of their borders, so they'd have to go down first.

It's all very orwellian, but apparently this past week a few orwellian things have happened already.

 

[muh_moobs]

Yes but why is White supremacy this huge issue all of a sudden? If you look at the stats Islamic terrorist attacks outnumber White Supremacist attacks by at least 1000/1. So why is it White Supremacy is this massive problem?

Obama mandate. Shortly after taking office he had the FBI divert resources from Islam to conservatism extremism, and also mandated that whenever someone submitted a tip about possible Islamic extremism, the FBI was to first investigate whether the claimant was lying BEFORE doing anything about the potential terror plots.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Lmao it's crazy that there's still conspiracy theories about this shooting when there's literally a second to second first person account of the entire thing.

First, there's only video of the first shooting. So no, not the entire thing.

Second, the reporting is inaccurate even about this, so it's bound to be inaccurate about the second sooting.
Conclusion: It's healthy to theorize a little bit about the second shooting, based on what evidence there is.

When done with restraint and when considering that they're theories not conclusions, it's healthy to consider come conspiracy theories.