Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Nice work if you can get it, might hop down to the local police station and ask if they're hiring.

ikr! I read you autists for free!

 

[Lemmingwise]

A Turkish man shot up a tram in the Netherlands this morning killing 3 people including women. The police are calling it a "possible" terrorist attack..Which means this is the last time they will bring up the word "terrorist."

* Dutch (senatelike) elections are 2 days away and the sitting parties were going to get reamed. Hard to tell what the effect of this will be.

* Shootings are not that uncommon, but this was a 5/5 terror threat and the targets seemed to be civs rather than criminal infighting. (for example there were 2 other shootings in the netherlands with similar number of victims in the last week)

* Shooting was by a turkish man (which could hypothetically point to link with new zealand considering turkey's response to new zealand attack, but rather unlikely)

* He has not been caught yet been caught.

* It happened in a culturally enriched area, but at least one of the victims wasn't.

* He has previously been convicted for illegal gun usage, insulting a woman and for insulting a police officer.

* Two weeks ago he was in court for multiple rape and beating of a woman.

* He has been suspect for robberies, attempted robbery by driving a vehicle into a shop and fencing stolen goods.

* Witnesses say that his target was one specific woman and then after that, anyone who tried to help her.

* it looks like he had a twitter and facebook where the top post was a turkish image explaining all the words on the rifle of the new zealand shooting (see image in later post one or two pages further)

The shooter.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I don't think it's a defense mechanism; I have a similar persuasion as he supposedly had from his manifesto; if there weren't signs of him being an operative, I also would have no qualms in saying honestly: we have a similar political persuasion. My first loyalty is to the truth and that's what brought me to my position in the first place. Which is comparable to what he was supposedly positioned as. Actions count louder than words though, and he shot up a place, so while we might be roughly in the same direction on a political compass, there's a chasm between him and me.

Rather than a defense mechanism of people, it looks more like projection, but honest projection if you will. Everybody sees the world colored by their own biases and this site attracts funny people and people that want to feast on the funny. So it's not strange that a preponderance of people think the motivation was a funnybot-level joke. And it's also not so strange, because there were a lot of things very ridiculous about the manifesto as well as the music and "subscribe to pewdiepie". It doesn't seem to have come from the people that typically upvote the pro-idpol positions for example, but that was just my general impression, I haven't looked that closely at it.

Exactly. I brought it up earlier, but the Vegas shooter for instance was literally a leftist, but the whole thing is the whole story of the Vegas shooter didn't match up either. He hated guns, didn't like owning them (from what his brother claimed) and then went into a killing frenzy and had a lot of guns randomly for odd reasons.

It's not because he could potentially be just a typical right wing person (or someone who transitioned to the extreme right as mentioned in the manifesto) It's just the whole thing is weird, cracking jokes, the music, etc.

If he had just shot up the mosque and been like "I hate Muslims" Insert White nationalist/White supremacist/etc. rhetoric here I'd believe he was just a Whtie supremacist shooter, but as you look deeper into the event and details that are being uncovered it becomes strangers by the second. Similar again to the Vegas shooter, I'm anti-left (not pro-right though) as they come, and even I think there was something more than "He was a leftist" in the Vegas incident, and more going on in this one as well.

It seems people just over simplify it as cognitive dissonance because of right leaning bias, but I don't fully agree. It could be in some cases, I won't deny that, but it's not true for all cases.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I guess "he was probably actually a CIAnigger" also works to distance yourself from him psychologically.

That's just because the evidence seems to point that, considering his history and the history of christchurch. I'm not sure why I or someone else would need that to distance psychologically? If he wasn't a CIAnigger how would that enculpate me somehow?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

* Shootings are not that uncommon,

In the Netherlands? But I thought all of Europe was peaceful due to universal "common sense gun control".

That's just because the evidence seems to point that, considering his history and the history of christchurch. I'm not sure why I or someone else would need that to distance psychologically? If he wasn't a CIAnigger how would that enculpate me somehow?

It wouldn't, and it shouldn't. But it's a common fallacy. People believe it does even though it's irrational. Even people that say they don't. You can't live in a culture without it soaking into you, even the parts you don't like. And modern western culture is big on collective guilt for certain demographic groups.

 

[Lemmingwise]

And modern western culture is big on collective guilt for certain demographic groups.

I agree with most of what you say including this quote, but it's bound to be lowest for people that consider identity politics to be good/virtuous/necessary. I think it takes rejecting undue guilt to get there in the first place.

In the Netherlands? But I thought all of Europe was peaceful due to universal "common sense gun control".

Yes, we are very lucky to have modern and progressive restrictions on fire-arms, that were first implemented due to foreigners doing terrorist attacks in trains in the 70s. As you can see it really limits shootings.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I agree with most of what you say including this quote, but it's bound to be lowest for people that consider identity politics to be good/virtuous/necessary. I think it takes rejecting undue guilt to get there in the first place.

You've obviously done it consciously, but I don't think it's that easy to get rid of the unconscious marks. I know I myself sometimes have visceral reactions to something that are contrary to what I consciously think I should have, that are inconsistent with my personal ideology but consistent with some average of the dominant ones in my culture. It goes away fast but that little flash is there. Maybe I'm just projecting though.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You've obviously done it consciously, but I don't think it's that easy to get rid of the unconscious marks. I know I myself sometimes have visceral reactions to something that are contrary to what I consciously think I should have, that are inconsistent with my personal ideology but consistent with some average of the dominant ones in my culture. It goes away fast but that little flash is there. Maybe I'm just projecting though.

No, I don't think you're (just) projecting, that actually does sound like other people around me. It's good for me to stay in touch with their mentalities too, so thanks.

 

[Stormy Daniel's Lawyer]

* Dutch (senatelike) elections are 2 days away and the sitting parties were going to get reamed. Hard to tell what the effect of this will be.

* Shootings are not that uncommon, but this was a 5/5 terror threat and the targets seemed to be civs rather than criminal infighting. (for example there were 2 other shootings in the netherlands with similar number of victims in the last week)

* Shooting was by a turkish man (which could hypothetically point to link with new zealand considering turkey's response to new zealand attack, but rather unlikely)

* He has not been caught yet been caught.

* It happened in a culturally enriched area, but at least one of the victims wasn't.

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If Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had a son.

 

[thismanlies]

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Gosh, I wonder why people who are in the far right bubble might get the idea that there's an active Race War against White People / a White Genocide brewing and want to fight back.

Truly, a mystery.

Step one of any genocide is to convince people that the group you want to oppress are not human beings.

Just throwing that out there.

 

[Stormy Daniel's Lawyer]

I've seen 5'4" floating around as a common estimate

He's almost a Hobbit...

 

[Stunning and Brave]

"My authoritarian racist ideology is different from your authoritarian racist ideology."

Liberalism absolutely is the answer. Real liberalism that treats people as equals and doesn't punish or reward someone based on heritage. Not a lot of that around these days.

Ouch, did Sargon beat you over the head with that horseshoe? Haven't seen the "X-ideology has never been truly tried" argument in a while.
No, Liberalism isn't the answer, it is the problem.

He's almost a Hobbit...

Who are we talking about?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Ouch, did Sargon beat you over the head with that horseshoe? Haven't seen the "X-ideology has never been truly tried" argument in a while.
No, Liberalism isn't the answer, it is the problem.

It works just fine in a state with strong borders and controlled immigration with a policy focused on assimilation. We don't have street wars between Irish, Jews, and Italians in the US anymore for that very reason.

 

[Lemmingwise]

This is the guy of the shooting in the Netherlands today:

In this segment he says "Half your ass is open" and calls the journalist a slut.

 

[Stormy Daniel's Lawyer]

Ouch, did Sargon beat you over the head with that horseshoe? Haven't seen the "X-ideology has never been truly tried" argument in a while.
No, Liberalism isn't the answer, it is the problem.

Who are we talking about?

Some dude that is like 5'4" tall.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

It works just fine in a state with strong borders and controlled immigration with a policy focused on assimilation. We don't have street wars between Irish, Jews, and Italians in the US anymore for that very reason.

Not to disagree, because you're not wrong. However, would't a policy focusing on assimilation to a countries culture be a violation of libertarian beliefs in the first place (IE: Live and let live standard)? The problem is also many Libertarians (Liberals) have become either Anarchist, or open borders advocates (Sometimes one in the same), at least from the forums and groups I've talked to online and many are unwilling to compromise despite being open borders is a contradiction of original Libertarian values as I recall.

Logical consistency isn't very good these days though for most groups.

 

[Otterly]

But I thought all of Europe was peaceful due to universal "common sense gun control".

No you just can’t get them legally. I’m sweden the grenade (ex Balkan) is the weapon of choice, in mainland Europe it’s a lot of stuff still hanging around from the Balkan conflicts. Remember there’s no border controls in most of Europe, you can load pretty much anything on a lorry and drive across multiple countries and the chances of getting stopped are tiny. Loads come in via Eastern Europe. There’s also a thriving market in conversion of decommissioned weapons and antiques and theft of legally owned stuff. The UK has fewer because of the physical border but still there are guns. Knives and acid are a big problem too. Belgium is a major hub for gun running. The criminals have guns, but your average civilian doesn’t.

Do we know how this guy stockpiled the weapons? You’d think someone entering the country and immediately getting a gun licence and stockpiling would ring bells...

 

[Medicated]

Just use a 3rd party DNS server. NOT Google, NOT CloudFlare. OpenDNS I think isn't shit?

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Gosh, I wonder why people who are in the far right bubble might get the idea that there's an active Race War against White People / a White Genocide brewing and want to fight back.

Truly, a mystery.

Wow, there really are people who think if you kill all whites it'll free the entire world.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Not to disagree, because you're not wrong. However, would't a policy focusing on assimilation to a countries culture be a violation of libertarian beliefs in the first place (IE: Live and let live standard)? The problem is also many Libertarians (Liberals) have become either Anarchist, or open borders advocates (Sometimes one in the same), at least from the forums and groups I've talked to online and many are unwilling to compromise despite being open borders is a contradiction of original Libertarian values as I recall.

Logical consistency isn't very good these days though for most groups.

It could be seen as a sacrifice of principles for the greater good if you believe people have a right to move anywhere they wish. I don't. I think a free association of people, of which a nation might be included, has the right to decide who from outside said association be permitted to join it. In this case, I think a liberal society should only allow immigrants who themselves approve of liberal values. They can have all the rest of their culture they want so long as the live-and-let-live standard is something they support.

I understand the open borders position and in a perfect world I'd be for it to. But the world isn't perfect. Just as we accept the the absolute minimal restrictions on freedom imposed by a government for the sake of safeguarding ones we'd certainly lose without it (Taxes to support militaries and police that can respond with force to external attempts to impinge on a citizen's freedom), we should sacrifice freedom of movement (at least in regards to the outside coming in) for the very same cause.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

It could be seen as a sacrifice of principles for the greater good if you believe people have a right to move anywhere they wish. I don't. I think a free association of people, of which a nation might be included, has the right to decide who from outside said association be permitted to join it. In this case, I think a liberal society should only allow immigrants who themselves approve of liberal values. They can have all the rest of their culture they want so long as the live-and-let-live standard is something they support.

I understand the open borders position and in a perfect world I'd be for it to. But the world isn't perfect. Just as we accept the the absolute minimal restrictions on freedom imposed by a government for the sake of safeguarding ones we'd certainly lose without it (Taxes to support militaries and police that can respond with force to external attempts to impinge on a citizen's freedom), we should sacrifice freedom of movement (at least in regards to the outside coming in) for the very same cause.

No. I actually agree. I'm more along the lines of traditional libertarian, but with what libertarians have become (especially open borders) I can not in good faith endorse the label on my name. I just wish the "Anarcho" Utopian hijackers of Libertarian values understood the same concept of reality as you are explaining.

I know a few who basically think illegals tresspassing isn't somehow a violation of property rights or open borders leading to stealing tax dollars as theft either. Bugs the living day lights out of me. Especially since my grand father was targeted (a victim) of an illegal hacking his VA.